How Loony are the Loons?

RB, I'm happy to debate you on the areas of this I am familiar with, but I insist that you format your posts in a way that makes reading them less of a chore. That means using the "quote" tags. Since you resist using them with Herculean effort, I can only assume you do not have as much interest in productive debate as you claim to.

Until you demonstrate your willingness to take the small amount of effort to make this discussion easy to follow and participate in, I refuse to engage you on any matters of importance.

If you truly wish to debate with us, then I suggest you make use of the quote tags. If you are simply trying to troll this board, then please do so elsewhere.
its not even any effort, as it stands hes doing MORE work to copy and paste the post, add quotation marks, then copy and paste the username than he would just using multiquote
 
How come I can't help but to smile whenever I see the expressions "foregone conclusion", "juxtaposition" or "redundancy" anymore?

:D

carry on.
 
Yeah, I know. It's completely ridiculous.

He also does not see the need for a link back to the original quote, and not to the authors profile.

He is unable to absorb new information and processes. He believes everything in Loose Change, which even the authors do not.
 
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Non airline people have zero clue about planes. Every single item on that plane, from a reading lamp light bulb to the button to recline your seat has a number and is tracked and whenever any mechanical work is done on any part of the plane, its cataloged and entered into the records. The stupid idea that somehow the evil government folks could sneak onto a plane while its on RON and install, test and then somehow conceal an elaborate gassing system, or a remote control flying system in the cockpit, without a single person noticing it is so far into the realm of sci fi, that it shouldn't even dignify a response.
Well said Dr. Lao.

RemoveBush, if you want the Readers Digest version of my robojet pdf(the one pomeroo wants you to read), just read the above.

Even if you think the airlines were "in on it" - converting the airplanes would take quite a long time and after the work was complete, the changes would be obvious to pilots, line maintenance mechanics, the aircrafts maintenance monitering systems, and the master caution/warning system(for those that read my pdf, the master warning system differs from EICAS and I really totally neglected to talk about it) .

RemoveBush - If you disagree, I'm all ears......
 
Great! Now we'll have cats all over in here again!

Thanks a lot!

CATS!?! SOMEONE SAY CATS?!?
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How's about the Queen pickin' her shnozz?
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The late Peter Boyle:
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snacks:
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Captain Canuck:
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Bugs that look like flowers:
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Another cat!
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What TrimShrub thinks of us:
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What 28th Kingdom sez brought down the WTC towers:
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What TrimShrub needs:
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My old pet tortoise:
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RB:

I think our debate has run its course, and as usual with little resolved. Fair enough, let the fence sitters decide who is right or wrong.

one comment though, with respect to WTC collapse, I do not claim to even begin to understand the complex mechanisms involved in the collapse. I doubt you do either, despite your basic engineering knowledge. The difference is, that I rely on the experts to tell me how it happened, and NOONE, NOONE, has given me any LEGITIMATE reason to doubt the NIST report. SO I believe what they say. You however, assume they are wrong simply because certain things you have questions about do not make sense to you. Well none of the physics at the heart of it makes much sense to me, but I trust those who have expert knowledge in it to understand it... that to me, is all that matters.

I guess if the world to you is full of corruption and people who will lie about murder just to save their jobs, well then I guess you have a right to be suspicious, but that isnt my world.

So be it.

TAM
 
Hey pomeroo it's CR and certainly I'M appreciative of you posting that link to apathoid's analysis of the 757/767. It is excellent. Naturally BrushCleaner won't read it (God he's so predictable) but what a resource for the rest of us.

And THANKS Apathoid!


Hey, CR, I'm awed by the stuff you guys churn out. Seriously, so many people on this forum generously share technical knowledge of an extremely high order. I wish all of these threads could be collected into a book (with the proper editing, ya never know...).

Still, Apathoid is delivering a blow right to the heart of the fantasy movement: real hijackers, real planes=no Impossibly Vast Conspiracy.

The reason why some fantasists have seemingly gone berserk with their Star Wars laser beams and Romulan cloaking devices is precisely the enormous inconvenience of the existence of those planes to their crackpot notions.
 
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Reading RemoveBush's trolling is like hearing a song on the radio and thinking "I know that sound. That's gotta be so-and-so".

I'm a little surprised that noone else seems to have noticed that RemoveBush is following the Interdimensional Warrior script to the Zarquon letter. All the hallmarks are there, even down to some of the characteristic misspellings.

An IDW switches unpredictably between two personalities.

Personality A is looking for a fight. Arrogant and truculent, it starts flinging insults at the earliest opportunity. It can be counted on to:

Claim that the generally accepted explanation of an event violates the laws of physics.

Refuse to provide any explanation of what physical laws are violated and how, especially avoiding any use of mathematics.

Claim that common sense is all that's needed to understand any event, irrespective of its complexity or the technical issues involved in analyzing it.

Then contradict this by claiming to have advanced technical knowledge, usually as an engineer or physicist.

Pre-contradict that claim by consistently writing in a style redolent of an angry teenage boy who hates school, scorns learning, watches a great deal of TV and reads books only if someone stands over him with a stick to make him read.

Seize upon any behavior which annoys its interlocuters, e.g. refusing to use the quote feature on a board which provides it, and persist in this behavior for no apparent reason save to annoy, even though doing so cripples its ability to communicate.

Personality B will surface irregularly, often when some obviously knowledgeable poster undertakes to try to educate the IDW about some of its more egregious mistakes. This personality will be less belligerent and attempts to write in more or less correct English. Personality B usually lasts for just a handful of posts before melting down and reemerging as personality A, improved and even more spittle-flecked.

You'll notice that I use an indefinite article in referring to IDWs. That's because there are varying hypotheses about the nature of the IDW pehnomenon.

Some think that IDW is an individual.
Some think that it's a consortium, or club, of people who make a hobby out of trolling internet message boards.
Some think of IDW as a philosophy, or school, of trolling, somewhat akin to Impressionism or Cubism in art. I tend to hold this view.

An IDW can be the source of much amusement, particularly if it is drawn into trying to use math to analyze some simple physical phenomenon. It will Google up formulae, misunderstand and misapply them comically and then keep screaming that its silly mistakes are really the right way to do the problem.

Since IDWs appear to crave attention, even the negative attention of getting spanked all over an internet forum, they can be kept on the hook for a remarkably long time by skillful anglers, although, to mix metaphors, the flavor gets chewed out of them rather quickly.

For those unfamiliar with this manifestation, the very essence of IDWism can be found in this GLP "Apollo hoax" thread. I recommend that you start at page 3, when JayUtah (from Bautforum) drops by and starts taking IDW to school. The claims of being an engineer start somewhere in the twenties, and high hilarity ensues starting around page 50, where IDW starts trying to work out a simple problem relating to the docking of the LM and CSM.

I think a comparison to RemoveBush's output will support the view that RB is an acolyte of the IDW method.
 
T.A.M, per your request here is the Particle information you asked for. I will look for others, but this is to start you off.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/dust.html

"Gypsum is also about 5% of portland cement, the binder used in most concrete and constituting"

" They identified high levels of coarse particles, above, which included powdered concrete and glass with a coating of combustion products, in size range of 5 to 12 micrometers diameter. Very fine particles were found at levels not previously seen in ambient air samples."
 
T.A.M., here is a very good video about 9/11.

Near the end are several people, the janitor William Rodrigez and another guy from one of the banks there. They BOTH talk about LOUD strange noises that never happened before, but did happen only weeks before 9/11 in VACANT offices and floors. They could feel and HEAR the noises and feel the floor shake from it.

One also points out that grey dust would appear daily on the office windows by the vents and this never happened before either.

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For those unfamiliar with this manifestation, the very essence of IDWism can be found in this GLP "Apollo hoax" thread. I recommend that you start at page 3, when JayUtah (from Bautforum) drops by and starts taking IDW to school. The claims of being an engineer start somewhere in the twenties, and high hilarity ensues starting around page 50, where IDW starts trying to work out a simple problem relating to the docking of the LM and CSM.

I think a comparison to RemoveBush's output will support the view that RB is an acolyte of the IDW method.

Thanks Ktesibios, looks like an interesting read.

Going through it now but the site is extremely slow.
 
T.A.M, per your request here is the Particle information you asked for. I will look for others, but this is to start you off.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/dust.html

"Gypsum is also about 5% of portland cement, the binder used in most concrete and constituting"

" They identified high levels of coarse particles, above, which included powdered concrete and glass with a coating of combustion products, in size range of 5 to 12 micrometers diameter. Very fine particles were found at levels not previously seen in ambient air samples."

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September 19
9/11: Concrete pulverization debunk

A new loon at the JREF forums posted this tidbit to try to support his claim of controlled demolition of the Twin Towers:
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9 - 1 1 R e s e a r c h papers This paper has been updated. Please see Version 4. The version on this page is archived for historical interest. See the Revision History. The North Tower's Dust Cloud

Analysis of Energy Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the Collapse of 1 World Trade Center

by Jim Hoffman
October 16, 2003
[Version 3.1]


On September 11th, Both of the Twin Towers disintegrated into vast clouds of concrete and other materials, which blanketed Lower Manhattan. This paper shows that the energy required to produce the expansion of the dust cloud observed immediately following the collapse of 1 World Trade Center (the North Tower) was much greater than the gravitational energy available from its elevated mass. It uses only basic physics.
Introduction

Vast amounts of energy were released during the collapse of each of the Twin Towers in Lower Manhattan on September 11th, 2001. The accepted source of this energy was the gravitational potential energy of the towers, which was far greater than the energy released by the fires that preceded the collapses. The magnitude of that source cannot be determined with much precision thanks to the secrecy surrounding details of the towers' construction. However, FEMA's Building Performance Assessment Report gives an estimate: "Construction of WTC 1 resulted in the storage of more than 4 x 10^11 joules of potential energy over the 1,368-foot height of the structure." That is equal to about 111,000 KWH (kilowatt hours) per tower.
Of the many identifiable energy sinks in the collapses, one of the only ones that has been subjected to quantitative analysis is the thorough pulverization of the concrete in the towers. It is well documented that nearly all of the non-metallic constituents of the towers were pulverized into fine powder. The largest of these constituents by weight was the concrete that constituted the floor slabs of the towers. Jerry Russell estimated that the amount of energy required to crush concrete to 60 micron powder is about 1.5 KWH/ton. (See
http://www.911-strike.com/powder.htm.) That paper incorrectly assumes there were 600,000 tons of concrete in each tower, but Russell later provided a more accurate estimate of 90,000 tons of concrete per tower, based on FEMA's description of the towers' construction. That estimate implies the energy sink of concrete pulverization was on the order of 135,000 KWH per tower, which is already larger than the energy source of gravitational energy. However, the size of this sink is critically dependent on the fineness of the concrete powder, and on mechanical characteristics of the lightweight concrete thought to have been used in the towers. Available statistics about particle sizes of the dust, such as the study by Paul J. Lioy, et al., characterize particle sizes of aggregate dust samples, not of its constituents, such as concrete, fiberglass, hydrocarbon soot, etc. Based on diverse evidence, 60 microns would appear to be a high estimate for average concrete particle size, suggesting 135,000 KWH is a conservative estimate for the magnitude of the sink. "

This was not to go unanswered by me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center
Height (m) 417
Height (ft) 1,368
Stories 110

http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch2.pdf Section
2.2.1.1
American Airlines Flight 11 struck the north face of WTC 1 approximately between the 94th and
98th floors

2.2.1.5
Construction of WTC 1 resulted in the storage of more than 4x10^11 joules of potential energy over the
1,368-foot height of the structure. Of this, approximately 8x10^9 joules of potential energy were stored in the
upper part of the structure, above the impact floors, relative to the lowest point of impact.

2.2.2.1
United Airlines Flight 175 struck the south face of WTC 2 approximately between the 78th and 84th
floors.

For WTC 1, the top 12 floors of the tower translates into 8x10^9 joules of the total 4x10^11 joules. So, the top ~10.9% of WTC 1 contained ~2% of the entire PE of WTC 1. Extrapolating this on to WTC 2 (since the above mentioned report does not specify the amount PE contained above the WTC 2 impact point) we get the following:
WTC 2 => top 26 floors => ~23.6% of WTC 2.
If ~10.9% of WTC 1 translates into 8x10^9 joules PE
Then ~23.6% of WTC 2 translates into N joules PE
Therefore 10.9/8*10^9 = 23.6/N
=> 10.9*N/8*10^9 = 23.6
=> 10.9*N = 23.6*(8*10^9)
=> N = 23.6*(8*10^9)/10.9
=> N = 17321100917.431192660550458715596
=> N = 17.3*10^9 joules PE
=> ~34.7% of the entire PE of WTC 2
What does this mean? It means for WTC 1, that ~2% (8x10^9 joules) of PE was converted to KE almost instantaneously upon structural failure at floors 94-98. It means for WTC 2, that ~34.7% (17.3*10^9 joules) of PE was converted to KE almost instantaneously upon structural failure at floors 78-84.
Okay, so Hoffman wants to talk kWh. What do our total, and our partials, convert into? (all per Google calculator)
4 x (10^11) joules = 111,111.111 kilowatt hours
8 x (10^9) joules = 2,222.22222 kilowatt hours
17.3 x (10^9) joules = 4,805.55556 kilowatt hours
Now, Hoffman cites http://www.911-strike.com/powder.htm to support his claim that all of the concrete was pulverized to 60 microns. On Hoffman's reference Russell states
The energy required to crush rock is roughly proportional to 1/sqrt(powder diameter), so the exact amount of energy required is critically dependent on the fineness of the powder. The energy required to reduce solid rock to 60 micron powder is about 20 kwh/ton:
http://www.elorantaassoc.com/eob97.htm

However, concrete is softer than rock, and a round number for the energy required to crush concrete is around 1.5 kwh/ton:
http://www.b-i-m.de/public/ibac/mueller.htm

Russell's use of 60 microns appears to come from the nature of his article; that being a response to Eric Hufschmid's "concrete physics problem" challenge Russell does not link to Hufscmid's challenge, and, frankly, at this point I'm not going digging for it. If someone has it, and it is relevant, they can post it.
Now, before delving too far into our 60 microns, let's look at the makeup of the dust after the collapses:
http://www.epa.gov/wtc/panel/pdfs/meeker-20041115.pdf#search=%22EPA%20particle%20WTC%20analysis%22
First, I highly suggest reading the short paper, as it describes the EPA's methodology in a very detailed manner.
Component analysis for the six WTC bulk samples is summarized in Table 1 and Figures 2 - 7. All of the samples show three primary components – gypsum, phases compatible with concrete, and MMVF. The additional particle types shown in Table 1 were found in most samples. The data demonstrate that the most consistent particle-type abundance ratios occur within the MMVF, i.e., slag wool, rock wool, and soda-lime glass. In all samples, slag wool is the dominant MMVF component while rock wool and soda-lime glass fibers occur in all samples at similar relative abundances below approximately 10 to less than 1 percent total MMVF (Table 1).

Table 1. Range in area percent of major and minor components for all samples.
Particle Type Comment Percent Range, Outdoor Percent Range, Indoor
Gypsum Includes all Ca sulfate particles 26.3 – 53.3 63.3 – 63.7
Concrete All phases compatible with hydrated cement 19.3 – 30.8 14.0 – 21.0
MMVF* Total 20.3 – 40.6 9.5 – 19.2
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Wait. You read that too fast. Let me reiterate
Particle Type
Gypsum
Percent Range, Outdoor
26.3 – 53.3
Percent Range, Indoor
63.3 – 63.7
Particle Type
Concrete
Percent Range, Outdoor
19.3 – 30.8
Percent Range, Indoor
14.0 – 21.0
Let me put it another way. In the EPA's sample, drywall dust accounted for more than ~15% more of the outdoor sample than concrete; and account for more than ~46% more of the indoor sample.
The bulk of the cloud seen from the collapse of the towers is drywall dust not concrete dust. Hoffman is starting from a flawed premise.
QED.

I would also like to point of that the claim of 1.5 kWh/ton concrete is taken out of context
Quote:
At the moment digestion rates of around 60 % can be attained with electro-mechanical crushing methods (sonic impulse). This method is nevertheless not competitive compared to common mechanical crushing methods (impact crusher: roughly 1.5 kWh/t concrete) because of its high energy consumption (around 12 kWh/t).

The 1.5 kWh/t is the energy consumption of the impact crusher, not a calculated value of the amount of energy to pulverize the concrete in an ideal setting.
http://arkanwolfshade.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!9E151F6EB6C7A35D!304.entry

September 26
9/11: Further debunking of Hoffman's concrete theory

Jerry Russell estimated that the amount of energy required to crush concrete to 60 micron powder is about 1.5 KWH/ton. (See http://www.911-strike.com/powder.htm.)
1) Russell’s estimate of 1.5 kWh/t is based off of http://www.b-i-m.de/public/ibac/mueller.htm This is an erroneous estimate as the 1.5 kWh/t energy cost is of the impact crusher the paper is using for comparative purposes to a different method. Specifically, “mechanical crushing methods (impact crusher: roughly 1.5 kWh/t concrete)”
2) Russell’s use of 60 microns is in response to Eric Hufschmid’s “concrete physics problem” challenge. Hufschmid has been contacted and asked to provide a source for his use of 60 microns. He has opted not to do so.

That paper incorrectly assumes there were 600,000 tons of concrete in each tower, but Russell later provided a more accurate estimate of 90,000 tons of concrete per tower, based on FEMA's description of the towers' construction.
1) Neither Russell, nor Hoffman, provide a source for either estimate of the amount of concrete in each tower.

That estimate implies the energy sink of concrete pulverization was on the order of 135,000 KWH per tower, which is already larger than the energy source of gravitational energy.
1) Given that the selection of 1.5 kWh/t is based off of the energy cost/efficiency of the impact crusher, and not the amount of energy needed to crush the concrete as calculated from a purely energy/work standpoint the 135,000 kWh estimated energy sink of the towers is wrong and is without doubt higher than the actual value.


However, the size of this sink is critically dependent on the fineness of the concrete powder, and on mechanical characteristics of the lightweight concrete thought to have been used in the towers. Available statistics about particle sizes of the dust, such as the study by Paul J. Lioy, et al., characterize particle sizes of aggregate dust samples, not of its constituents, such as concrete, fiberglass, hydrocarbon soot, etc. Based on diverse evidence, 60 microns would appear to be a high estimate for average concrete particle size,
1) The Paul J. Lioy, et al abstract (which is the cited source) states, “The largest mass concentrations were > 53 µm in diameter.”
2) The full paper, http://www.ehponline.org/members/2002/110p703-714lioy/lioy-full.html , states that the estimated mass of material involved is “> 10 106 tons”
3) The sampling done for the Lioy paper dealt directly with the dust component of the debris, “These two samples were collected from 10-15 cm-thick deposits that were on the top of two automobiles about 0.7 km from the WTC site” and therefore their particle size is dealing specifically with the dust particles and is not a representation of the average particle size of all debris.
4) Lioy used two methods for separating the particles, “a) a gravimetric sieving analysis that separated the mass of lint and nonfibrous material into fractions > 300 µm, 75-300 µm, and < 75 µm in diameter; and b) an aerodynamic separation for the particle size fractions of < 2.5 µm, 2.5-10 µm, and 10-53 µm in diameter, with a gravimetric sieving that separated the particles > 53 µm in diameter before the aerodynamic sizing of the samples. The separations were based on the design or availability of specific size separation techniques in the laboratories.”
5) Lioy’s table here http://www.ehponline.org/members/2002/110p703-714lioy/tab1.jpg shows that the “> 53 µm in diameter” statement in the abstract dealt specifically with the aerodynamically separated sample and accounted for 61.5%, 52.21% and 63.6% of the mass of the aerodynamically separated sample. However, when looking at the first step of the separation process (sieved sample) we see that particles < 75 µm in diameter account for 38%, 30%, and 37% of the sample masses. Particles between 75 µm and 300 µm in diameter account for 46%, 49%, and 42% of the samples and particles > 300 µm in diameter account for 16%, 23%, and 21% of the samples. The use of 60 µm in diameter for the calculations is erroneous at best, and dishonest at worst. To highlight what this table implies; in the three samples 62%, 72%, and 63% of the mass of the samples was > 75 µm in diameter.

suggesting 135,000 KWH is a conservative estimate for the magnitude of the sink.
At this point I am confident in saying that the estimate of 135,000 kWh is just plain wrong and entirely too high.
Couple the poor choice of particle size with my previous debunk means Hoffman’s entire paper is based upon a faulty premise.

I’m not going to analyze the paper further, because it would be a pointless exercise. His premise if flawed. His initial data is wrong. His paper is crap.

http://arkanwolfshade.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!9E151F6EB6C7A35D!306.entry
 
"pomeroo - When RB trotted out the fantasist ca--sorry--bullbleep about modifying Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft to allow for remote controlled flight, I started bouncing in my chair in gleeful expectation of Apathoid tearing him a new one. Curiously, there was silence. Someone should link to

http://911myths.com/Remote_Takeover.pdf

simply because the whole stupid, pernicious house of cards collapses into its own deformed footprints when it is established that real jihadists flew real planes into buildings. All of the myriad nonsense conjured up by the conspiracy liars melts away when there are jihadists hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings."

Yes this guy knows how to MAINTAIN the aircraft, but does he know how to write EMBEDDED code? I have written embedded code for many types of devices: 186, Zilog, 8052, Motorola.

You and him are overlooking that a program CAN be put into the plane very easily! It would then wait for a SIGNAL to enact a special code that was designed to IGNORE all manual controls. Again, you people are thinking in a ONE DEMENSIONAL view rather than a multi-dementional view.

Does this guy say that the system cannot be reprogrammed????? NO! He states that if the pilots did anything that the system would give up control. However, if the SYSTEM was reprogrammed to ignore these attempts then the pilots would not be able to gain control.

Now start your ranthing and raving rather than thinking!
 
"beachnut - You are an engineer then you can provide evidence and facts they can not model the WTC! Prove it great one; can you?"

Maybe before you go and TRY to insult people for how they spell, you might want to make sure you have a VALID sentence structure!
 
"apathoid - RemovedBrain is still refusing to use the quote function and responding to multiple posts at a time, in a manner that makes it very difficult to tell who has written what."

WRONG!!! I only reply to ONE post at a time, which is why I have a hard time understanding why YOU cannot follow!!!!

I guess you were one of those people that just slipped through the cracks?
 
Pssssst. Removebush perhaps you should, for the benefit of us lurkers, answer the many solid and logical rebuttals to your 'theory' instead of worrying about whether or not you use the quote function properly.

Just a suggestion.
 
Yes this guy knows how to MAINTAIN the aircraft, but does he know how to write EMBEDDED code? I have written embedded code for many types of devices: 186, Zilog, 8052, Motorola.

You and him are overlooking that a program CAN be put into the plane very easily! It would then wait for a SIGNAL to enact a special code that was designed to IGNORE all manual controls. Again, you people are thinking in a ONE DEMENSIONAL view rather than a multi-dementional view.

Does this guy say that the system cannot be reprogrammed????? NO! He states that if the pilots did anything that the system would give up control. However, if the SYSTEM was reprogrammed to ignore these attempts then the pilots would not be able to gain control.

Now start your ranthing and raving rather than thinking!

So where was this program put into the plane. A program that can enact a special code that ignores manual controls?

Exactly which system onboard the planes were reprogrammed to ignore manual commands?

Please can you explain exactly what you are suggesting here?

Are you saying that embedded code was pre-programmed into the planes computer control systems that would enable external commands to be issued to the plane that would over ride manual commands?

If so who was making the manual commands?

Was there anybody onboard these planes, in the cockpit to make manual commands?
 
Does this guy say that the system cannot be reprogrammed????? NO! He states that if the pilots did anything that the system would give up control. However, if the SYSTEM was reprogrammed to ignore these attempts then the pilots would not be able to gain control.
but if theres any kind of physical override theres no program that can keep working

yes, you can do a lot with software, but ultimately hardware can and will always take precedence, you cant program a computer to keep running after you unplug it
 
"apathoid - RemovedBrain is still refusing to use the quote function and responding to multiple posts at a time, in a manner that makes it very difficult to tell who has written what."

WRONG!!! I only reply to ONE post at a time, which is why I have a hard time understanding why YOU cannot follow!!!!

I guess you were one of those people that just slipped through the cracks?

You can't even remember that you replied to multiple people here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2213717#post2213717
 
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