I think I saw that scene once. What movie is it from?
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I think I saw that scene once. What movie is it from?
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Ah, so he's an engineer in the same way that Scotty was an engineer.
That is to say, a pretend one.
Prove me wrong, RemoveBush, prove me wrong with your math!
Oh right, I remember. I thought it was from a comedy movie, because it looks so silly
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Just a note on load factors and such, as it is an area I actually am an expert in.
Load factors go up and down depending on time of day, time of the year and day of the week. Just because there were 37 on the plane, you wouldn't cancel the flight, because of a few things:
Cargo, planes are loaded with cargo and mail, and you make good money for that.
Cancelling a flight costs a lot of money, you have to pay to put passengers on other flights, and when you cancel one flight, you also cancel the return flight which costs money from moving those passengers and cargo around. Also, if you get a reputation as an airline that will cancel flights due to low loads, guess what? People won't fly you because they want to be sure that their flight will be running.
Miscellaneous stuff, if you cancel a flight, you gotta put that plane somewhere, which can be a hassle at a big airport. If you downgrade the plane to a smaller one, you need to pull a reserve crew that is qualified to fly that plane, and another one for the return back (if you violate crew rest rules), and you are sending the receiving station a plane type that they may not see too often which brings up issues with training and mechanical support, spares, etc.
As for gassing passengers, LOL, that is straight out of Sci-Fi.
Non airline people have zero clue about planes. Every single item on that plane, from a reading lamp light bulb to the button to recline your seat has a number and is tracked and whenever any mechanical work is done on any part of the plane, its cataloged and entered into the records. The stupid idea that somehow the evil government folks could sneak onto a plane while its on RON and install, test and then somehow conceal an elaborate gassing system, or a remote control flying system in the cockpit, without a single person noticing it is so far into the realm of sci fi, that it shouldn't even dignify a response.
But, we are talking about CT losers, who are out of touch with reality.........
Load factors go up and down depending on time of day, time of the year and day of the week. Just because there were 37 on the plane, you wouldn't cancel the flight, because of a few things:
Cargo, planes are loaded with cargo and mail, and you make good money for that.
Cancelling a flight costs a lot of money, you have to pay to put passengers on other flights, and when you cancel one flight, you also cancel the return flight which costs money from moving those passengers and cargo around. Also, if you get a reputation as an airline that will cancel flights due to low loads, guess what? People won't fly you because they want to be sure that their flight will be running.
Miscellaneous stuff, if you cancel a flight, you gotta put that plane somewhere, which can be a hassle at a big airport. If you downgrade the plane to a smaller one, you need to pull a reserve crew that is qualified to fly that plane, and another one for the return back (if you violate crew rest rules), and you are sending the receiving station a plane type that they may not see too often which brings up issues with training and mechanical support, spares, etc.
As for gassing passengers, LOL, that is straight out of Sci-Fi.
Non airline people have zero clue about planes. Every single item on that plane, from a reading lamp light bulb to the button to recline your seat has a number and is tracked and whenever any mechanical work is done on any part of the plane, its cataloged and entered into the records. The stupid idea that somehow the evil government folks could sneak onto a plane while its on RON and install, test and then somehow conceal an elaborate gassing system, or a remote control flying system in the cockpit, without a single person noticing it is so far into the realm of sci fi, that it shouldn't even dignify a response.
But, we are talking about CT losers, who are out of touch with reality.........
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Thanks for the info.
If I were a suicide hijacker, I would not want a full flight or even close. Much more difficult to deal with the passengers. I could not make much of a buffer zone by moving the passengers towards to the rear of the plane and would need more of the 'muscle' hijackers.
Pre-911 I once flew London to Philidelphia on a US Airways flight and there was only 48 of us in economy. Needless to say that was one of the better flights I have had.
But I have to admit that in my experiance internal flights within the US have always been packed, though of course it would depend on the locations and time of day.
But I have to admit that in my experiance internal flights within the US have always been packed, though of course it would depend on the locations and time of day.
I think this is a good point. The idea was to take the planes over and use them as weapons, and that was probably more easily accomplished with less resistance on board.
RB, Read Apathoid's Paper
RB, please read Apathoid's paper (see link below) and tell us what he gets wrong. I may be only person here who is not in on the joke, but Apathoid has demonstrated, in painstaking detail, why the planes that hit the WTC could not have been flown by remote control. Perhaps the regulars are tired of hammering fantasists on this subject. I joined the forum in October and have missed much of the good stuff. Again, RB, your entire house of cards collapses into its own footprint (snicker) if real jihadists hijacked real planes. Show us what Apathoid is missing. I don't even require use of the quote button.
http://911myths.com/Remote_Takeover.pdf
RB, please read Apathoid's paper (see link below) and tell us what he gets wrong. I may be only person here who is not in on the joke, but Apathoid has demonstrated, in painstaking detail, why the planes that hit the WTC could not have been flown by remote control. Perhaps the regulars are tired of hammering fantasists on this subject. I joined the forum in October and have missed much of the good stuff. Again, RB, your entire house of cards collapses into its own footprint (snicker) if real jihadists hijacked real planes. Show us what Apathoid is missing. I don't even require use of the quote button.
http://911myths.com/Remote_Takeover.pdf
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To answer the thread title, pretty effing loony.
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"T.A.M. - Fair enough on the last point, but I will defend those who are somewhat hostile, only by saying that you are probably the 4000th person that has come to these forums trying to convince them of the "inside job" theory, and brings in with him the same references that they have seen 4000 times. So excuse them for it out of their frustration, if nothing else."
Wait a minute! If you track back to when I first came in, they were already attacking. Here is my very first post:
"RemoveBush - Allow me to enlighten some of the people here who have a comprehension problem."
"Kiwiwriter - The fact that these guys prattle about treason trials and executions for ordinary folks who accept the various reports on 9/11 is something that bothers me. These nutters actually have no regard for any other form of human life except themselves and their immediate followers and flunkies. Yet that is precisely what they accuse the government of doing. A lot of this 9/11 conspiracy nonsense are projections of the nutters' own view of the world."
"RemoveBush - This person can clearly not read!!! The reply was not to "ordinary folks" it was to the US GOVERNMENT! I guess this is what's wrong with our country these days, as someone above posted, our schools are not teaching the basics. He/She cannot clearly read!"
"Crazycowbob - I can't help but just shake my head in disbelief when reading rants like these. The lack of education shown is just appalling; I mean, if they wanted to tout a conspiracy theory, they could at least come up with something that couldn't be so easily disproven."
"RemoveBush - Though this person indicates he/she is a scholar, I seriously doubt that! They fail to acknowledge that PHYSICS is something that cannot be denied. Physics is something that PROVES that the WTC's were brought down by something OTHER than a plane and fires. Here are some very simple questions for you scholar..... 1) What is the Free fall speed of an object dropped from the top of the WTC's? 2) What was the speed at which the buildings fell?? 3) Provide Scientific evidence by experimentation or imperical evidence that the core would have been completly destroyed and that the concrete would have vaporized in mid air like it did.
Since, as you say, it can be "easily disproven" then by all means enlighten us. After all, there are hundreds of HIGH level government officials and Military personnel that believe 9/11 was something other than what we were told. So are all these people "high on crack" as you imply?
I won't hold my breath on a civilized debate, as most of the comments have shown that you simply want to attack and call names of those people who do not follow in lockstep like you do with the official version.
I bet that most of you deniers believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman??? Despite the fact that ballistics has shown that a bullet will enter the body with a small hole and exit in a larger one. JFK had a small hole in his forehead and the back of his head was blown out. Scientific proof, but you still deny this fact!"
So you see, I did not come in here attacking anyone! I did ask them to "debate", which only a few has done like you. But then I do believe, but I can't remember, that even you at one time made some comments that were also similar. Since I can't remember, I won't say this is fact but you and I believe the name is JoneyFive are now debating and have stopped it for the most part.
"T.A.M. - I will be honest with you. If I had the guilt in my heart that I knew who killed 3000 people, and that they were getting away with the crime, my job security would not prevent me from telling. Now if my families lives were threatened, than I might give it more consideration (keeping quiet).
In this case where we are dealing with the murder of 3000 people, I do not buy the idea that HUNDREDS are keeping quiet on it just to keep their jobs. Some of them may be single men or women with no family, so what would prevent them from telling?"
Are you sure? Just look at the riddicule that is going on in here, and people have attacked HIGH LEVEL government officials for stepping up and making statements. Honestly, I really don't believe you would or if you did that you would ever get very far. People in our own government can't be heard without being vilified, and you expect a simple citizen to step up?
"T.A.M. - No, it would be equivelent to me, as a physician, on the night shift in a hospital ER, pronouncing someone dead, but not looking into the exact cause. This infact is what happens, as it is the job of the medical examiner and police to determine the cause of death or if foul play was involved."
Actually NIST is the ME! They are required to investigate ALL options. They are not the doctor as stated in your senerio. The doctor has already pronounced the man dead, and he is in on the ME slab. However, the ME just glanced over the body and determined that the man had an embolizm (spelling?) without even oppening him up! It is not the job of the Police to decide this, it is the ME's job. The job of the police is to find out who could have done something to the man if that is what the ME determines.
"T.A.M. - see my comments above. I do not buy that hundreds have remained silent, or even the top 20 or so, given that we are talking about the murder of 3000 people. But this, like all argument on this part of the deal, is just speculation."
Well, this is where I believe you to be wrong. Let me ask you this?? As a doctor you should have seen at least ONE gunshot wound right? If so, is the entry wound MUCH larger than the exit wound? My answer from ballistics is NO! So then let's just look at history..... JFK had a small little hole in his forehead and the back of his head was blown away! What does ballistics say about that?
So you see, there is a CLEAR example of something terrible actually happening in our past and we still to this day do not have anyone who has stepped forward.
"T.A.M. - See my comments earlier. Like I said, the job of scientists or engineers, I would think is to focus on the task given to them, and to keep within their mandate. Now if you are telling me that NIST itself has an SOP that specifically states they have to look into ALL POSSIBLE CAUSES of building collapse initiation wrt WTCs, then I'd like to see a copy of this SOP. Otherwise, if you look at their mandate, they have fulfilled it IMO."
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. This is very much like your doctor example above, and my ME example. In this case the ME stopped the procedure when he found that the heart stopped beating but did not determine why it stopped beating or whether or not a substance could have caused his heart to stop beating. Sure the ME determined the man had a heart attack, which is what NIST has done, but they did NOT find out if there was another substance involved.
"T.A.M. - I will try to get to the link. As for Jones, I have recollection of him stating that the NIST "most likely" cause of collapse is relatively sound, but that he simply wants the other possibility (CD) looked into. I could be wrong though."
He does state that a great deal of what NIST presents is correct, and so do I! However, just like the ME stating that the man died of a heart attack is correct also, just not the entire truth.
"I am not a structural engineer or an expert on building collapse. I will plead complete ignorance on that question, but I am confident there are people on this board who could answer it."
Neither am I, but logic says that there is NO WAY that most of the WTC site was THERMALLY hot from fires that happened 85 stories above in a collapse that destroyed the entire building. Sure there would be some fires, no doubt, but not in the fashion we have seen.
"T.A.M. - Exactly. I guess my all CAPS of the word METAL and IRON and STEEL wasnt enough. I am not disputing witness testimony and some photographic evidence of molten METAL. My point is there is NO EVIDENCE of that metal being IRON or STEEL and could easily have been aluminum with alot of hydrocarbon debris in it, or could have been copper from the plumbing."
It was enough, but to say that there is no evidence is not true. At least not at the time, but now that is true. How convienent. Immagine if all our murder scense are handled in this way? What type of rule of law would we have? At the time of those pictures, they were past the recovery stage so there is NO REASON not to save samples of Anomolies for future study.
"T.A.M. - I am not a member of NIST, and all I have to work with is their mandate. To me, this was not a breech of their mandate. Perhaps a direct question posed to them asking why they did not analyse molten METAL at the scene might produce an answer."
I for one will not hold my breath on any answer! I would expect the run around.
"T.A.M. - Speculation unless you have scientific calculations that prove this assertion. NIST has stated that the kinetic energy as a result of the dynamic load of 18-30 storeys of building falling through several floors (the impact zone) would be of such a magnitude that the resistance offered by the remaining building below would be insignificant. Unless you have hard science to contradict this, then you are simply stating your opinion, an opinion of someone with good math skills, and really good electronic skills."
OK.... Then let me ask you this. If the floors are being crushed by upper floors as they collapse, which they were but would have stopped eventually before the ground, then why was there NO PART of the core still standing????? The CORE was the load bearing part of the building. It would not have been pulled down with the floors. Maybe when the steel was only 3" thick, but not as it reached 6". Your talking about a record spindle type action that is capable of pulling down the spindle as the records fall.
"T.A.M. - I think we are talikng a matter of "relativity" here. Yes, obviously there was "some" resistance, which is why the building did not collapse in "free fall" time, but somewhat close to it. There are numerous videos showing "free falling" debris falling at a much faster rate than the building collapse. I simply think (opinion, but backed up by NIST) that even that amount of resistance, was insignificant to the overwhelming force of the falling storeys above the impact zone."
Then let me ask you this.... Why do we need demolition companies??? Why not start fires on multiple floors of buildings and set off a few large exposives near the top and wait for the building to fall down on its self in a nice little pile? The reason is because once the collapse is initiated, they need to ensure they remove the resistance from the falling building.
"T.A.M. - Actually, a user named "Gravy" here on JREF has several photos shoing large pieces of concrete at GZ. As well, there is a large peice of multiple floors compressed, that he has a phot of as well."
The problem is that there would be MORE! Since the floors were made of concrete there should be more signs of the floors around. Since the floors are basically slapping one another, to describe it somehow, they are not being pounded in one small area. The pounding is, realtively, even. So I would expect that the top part to be reduced to powder more as it is being compressed more than the bottom. Here is an example.... When the city takes up sidewalks, they use a large machine that is like a huge weight slamming down on just one small peice of the sidwalk. Yet it takes multiple hits for just this tiny little piece to be broken, and even then there are still LARGE pieces visible. Why do they not just take and hit the concrete with the tool horizontal rather than vertical if this is going to break up the concrete into fine little pieces. I do understand that there are other, more complicated, aspects to the WTC collapse but a very similar principal.
"T.A.M. - Like I said, I want proof that the dust we saw was micronized concrete and not drywall, which is the more likely culpret given how little energy is required to turn it to dust c/w concrete."
I have YEARS worth of information, so it is going to take some time to find this inforamtion. I have some other work to do today, but later I will start my search through what I have and look for it.
"T.A.M. - I am newer to the scene, so I have less chronic posting fatigue syndrome than these guys. That said, post like you have posted to me, and you may find there are more here who will debate you, many better than me at it."
Again... It is a TWO WAY STREET, and if they want to debate and put away all those labels "kooks", "loonies", "conspiracy theorists", etc. then that is what I am here for. I don't go calling them "kooks" because they believe what they do! If they wish to be civilized, as you can see by our discussions I can be too when it is returned in kind. I will return in kind what I recieve. Remember, "treat others as you would want to be treated". If they desire to keep up with the name calling rather than debating, then I too can play that game.
Thanks for the respectful debate.
ciao
Wait a minute! If you track back to when I first came in, they were already attacking. Here is my very first post:
"RemoveBush - Allow me to enlighten some of the people here who have a comprehension problem."
"Kiwiwriter - The fact that these guys prattle about treason trials and executions for ordinary folks who accept the various reports on 9/11 is something that bothers me. These nutters actually have no regard for any other form of human life except themselves and their immediate followers and flunkies. Yet that is precisely what they accuse the government of doing. A lot of this 9/11 conspiracy nonsense are projections of the nutters' own view of the world."
"RemoveBush - This person can clearly not read!!! The reply was not to "ordinary folks" it was to the US GOVERNMENT! I guess this is what's wrong with our country these days, as someone above posted, our schools are not teaching the basics. He/She cannot clearly read!"
"Crazycowbob - I can't help but just shake my head in disbelief when reading rants like these. The lack of education shown is just appalling; I mean, if they wanted to tout a conspiracy theory, they could at least come up with something that couldn't be so easily disproven."
"RemoveBush - Though this person indicates he/she is a scholar, I seriously doubt that! They fail to acknowledge that PHYSICS is something that cannot be denied. Physics is something that PROVES that the WTC's were brought down by something OTHER than a plane and fires. Here are some very simple questions for you scholar..... 1) What is the Free fall speed of an object dropped from the top of the WTC's? 2) What was the speed at which the buildings fell?? 3) Provide Scientific evidence by experimentation or imperical evidence that the core would have been completly destroyed and that the concrete would have vaporized in mid air like it did.
Since, as you say, it can be "easily disproven" then by all means enlighten us. After all, there are hundreds of HIGH level government officials and Military personnel that believe 9/11 was something other than what we were told. So are all these people "high on crack" as you imply?
I won't hold my breath on a civilized debate, as most of the comments have shown that you simply want to attack and call names of those people who do not follow in lockstep like you do with the official version.
I bet that most of you deniers believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman??? Despite the fact that ballistics has shown that a bullet will enter the body with a small hole and exit in a larger one. JFK had a small hole in his forehead and the back of his head was blown out. Scientific proof, but you still deny this fact!"
So you see, I did not come in here attacking anyone! I did ask them to "debate", which only a few has done like you. But then I do believe, but I can't remember, that even you at one time made some comments that were also similar. Since I can't remember, I won't say this is fact but you and I believe the name is JoneyFive are now debating and have stopped it for the most part.
"T.A.M. - I will be honest with you. If I had the guilt in my heart that I knew who killed 3000 people, and that they were getting away with the crime, my job security would not prevent me from telling. Now if my families lives were threatened, than I might give it more consideration (keeping quiet).
In this case where we are dealing with the murder of 3000 people, I do not buy the idea that HUNDREDS are keeping quiet on it just to keep their jobs. Some of them may be single men or women with no family, so what would prevent them from telling?"
Are you sure? Just look at the riddicule that is going on in here, and people have attacked HIGH LEVEL government officials for stepping up and making statements. Honestly, I really don't believe you would or if you did that you would ever get very far. People in our own government can't be heard without being vilified, and you expect a simple citizen to step up?
"T.A.M. - No, it would be equivelent to me, as a physician, on the night shift in a hospital ER, pronouncing someone dead, but not looking into the exact cause. This infact is what happens, as it is the job of the medical examiner and police to determine the cause of death or if foul play was involved."
Actually NIST is the ME! They are required to investigate ALL options. They are not the doctor as stated in your senerio. The doctor has already pronounced the man dead, and he is in on the ME slab. However, the ME just glanced over the body and determined that the man had an embolizm (spelling?) without even oppening him up! It is not the job of the Police to decide this, it is the ME's job. The job of the police is to find out who could have done something to the man if that is what the ME determines.
"T.A.M. - see my comments above. I do not buy that hundreds have remained silent, or even the top 20 or so, given that we are talking about the murder of 3000 people. But this, like all argument on this part of the deal, is just speculation."
Well, this is where I believe you to be wrong. Let me ask you this?? As a doctor you should have seen at least ONE gunshot wound right? If so, is the entry wound MUCH larger than the exit wound? My answer from ballistics is NO! So then let's just look at history..... JFK had a small little hole in his forehead and the back of his head was blown away! What does ballistics say about that?
So you see, there is a CLEAR example of something terrible actually happening in our past and we still to this day do not have anyone who has stepped forward.
"T.A.M. - See my comments earlier. Like I said, the job of scientists or engineers, I would think is to focus on the task given to them, and to keep within their mandate. Now if you are telling me that NIST itself has an SOP that specifically states they have to look into ALL POSSIBLE CAUSES of building collapse initiation wrt WTCs, then I'd like to see a copy of this SOP. Otherwise, if you look at their mandate, they have fulfilled it IMO."
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. This is very much like your doctor example above, and my ME example. In this case the ME stopped the procedure when he found that the heart stopped beating but did not determine why it stopped beating or whether or not a substance could have caused his heart to stop beating. Sure the ME determined the man had a heart attack, which is what NIST has done, but they did NOT find out if there was another substance involved.
"T.A.M. - I will try to get to the link. As for Jones, I have recollection of him stating that the NIST "most likely" cause of collapse is relatively sound, but that he simply wants the other possibility (CD) looked into. I could be wrong though."
He does state that a great deal of what NIST presents is correct, and so do I! However, just like the ME stating that the man died of a heart attack is correct also, just not the entire truth.
"I am not a structural engineer or an expert on building collapse. I will plead complete ignorance on that question, but I am confident there are people on this board who could answer it."
Neither am I, but logic says that there is NO WAY that most of the WTC site was THERMALLY hot from fires that happened 85 stories above in a collapse that destroyed the entire building. Sure there would be some fires, no doubt, but not in the fashion we have seen.
"T.A.M. - Exactly. I guess my all CAPS of the word METAL and IRON and STEEL wasnt enough. I am not disputing witness testimony and some photographic evidence of molten METAL. My point is there is NO EVIDENCE of that metal being IRON or STEEL and could easily have been aluminum with alot of hydrocarbon debris in it, or could have been copper from the plumbing."
It was enough, but to say that there is no evidence is not true. At least not at the time, but now that is true. How convienent. Immagine if all our murder scense are handled in this way? What type of rule of law would we have? At the time of those pictures, they were past the recovery stage so there is NO REASON not to save samples of Anomolies for future study.
"T.A.M. - I am not a member of NIST, and all I have to work with is their mandate. To me, this was not a breech of their mandate. Perhaps a direct question posed to them asking why they did not analyse molten METAL at the scene might produce an answer."
I for one will not hold my breath on any answer! I would expect the run around.
"T.A.M. - Speculation unless you have scientific calculations that prove this assertion. NIST has stated that the kinetic energy as a result of the dynamic load of 18-30 storeys of building falling through several floors (the impact zone) would be of such a magnitude that the resistance offered by the remaining building below would be insignificant. Unless you have hard science to contradict this, then you are simply stating your opinion, an opinion of someone with good math skills, and really good electronic skills."
OK.... Then let me ask you this. If the floors are being crushed by upper floors as they collapse, which they were but would have stopped eventually before the ground, then why was there NO PART of the core still standing????? The CORE was the load bearing part of the building. It would not have been pulled down with the floors. Maybe when the steel was only 3" thick, but not as it reached 6". Your talking about a record spindle type action that is capable of pulling down the spindle as the records fall.
"T.A.M. - I think we are talikng a matter of "relativity" here. Yes, obviously there was "some" resistance, which is why the building did not collapse in "free fall" time, but somewhat close to it. There are numerous videos showing "free falling" debris falling at a much faster rate than the building collapse. I simply think (opinion, but backed up by NIST) that even that amount of resistance, was insignificant to the overwhelming force of the falling storeys above the impact zone."
Then let me ask you this.... Why do we need demolition companies??? Why not start fires on multiple floors of buildings and set off a few large exposives near the top and wait for the building to fall down on its self in a nice little pile? The reason is because once the collapse is initiated, they need to ensure they remove the resistance from the falling building.
"T.A.M. - Actually, a user named "Gravy" here on JREF has several photos shoing large pieces of concrete at GZ. As well, there is a large peice of multiple floors compressed, that he has a phot of as well."
The problem is that there would be MORE! Since the floors were made of concrete there should be more signs of the floors around. Since the floors are basically slapping one another, to describe it somehow, they are not being pounded in one small area. The pounding is, realtively, even. So I would expect that the top part to be reduced to powder more as it is being compressed more than the bottom. Here is an example.... When the city takes up sidewalks, they use a large machine that is like a huge weight slamming down on just one small peice of the sidwalk. Yet it takes multiple hits for just this tiny little piece to be broken, and even then there are still LARGE pieces visible. Why do they not just take and hit the concrete with the tool horizontal rather than vertical if this is going to break up the concrete into fine little pieces. I do understand that there are other, more complicated, aspects to the WTC collapse but a very similar principal.
"T.A.M. - Like I said, I want proof that the dust we saw was micronized concrete and not drywall, which is the more likely culpret given how little energy is required to turn it to dust c/w concrete."
I have YEARS worth of information, so it is going to take some time to find this inforamtion. I have some other work to do today, but later I will start my search through what I have and look for it.
"T.A.M. - I am newer to the scene, so I have less chronic posting fatigue syndrome than these guys. That said, post like you have posted to me, and you may find there are more here who will debate you, many better than me at it."
Again... It is a TWO WAY STREET, and if they want to debate and put away all those labels "kooks", "loonies", "conspiracy theorists", etc. then that is what I am here for. I don't go calling them "kooks" because they believe what they do! If they wish to be civilized, as you can see by our discussions I can be too when it is returned in kind. I will return in kind what I recieve. Remember, "treat others as you would want to be treated". If they desire to keep up with the name calling rather than debating, then I too can play that game.
Thanks for the respectful debate.
ciao
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Wrong as usual, the outer columns and the inner core supported approximately the same load.
And btw, parts of the inner core did stand for 20-30 seconds after the rest collapsed.
Wrong again, the buildings did not collapse into their own footprint. Many surrounding buildings were destroyed or damaged.
More info like the above. I can't wait.
See how readable this is when you use the quote function.
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No, you just call people idiots, and stupid, and MORONS.
Except that I spelled them all correctly.
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Hey pomeroo it's CR and certainly I'M appreciative of you posting that link to apathoid's analysis of the 757/767. It is excellent. Naturally BrushCleaner won't read it (God he's so predictable) but what a resource for the rest of us.
And THANKS Apathoid!
aggle-rithm
Ardent Formulist
How about treating people as THEY would want to be treated? Such as, if they ask you to use the quote function, you go ahead and do it, even though you don't want to, because it would be incredibly rude to refuse such a simple request?
By the way, why haven't you answered my question?
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RB, I'm happy to debate you on the areas of this I am familiar with, but I insist that you format your posts in a way that makes reading them less of a chore. That means using the "quote" tags. Since you resist using them with Herculean effort, I can only assume you do not have as much interest in productive debate as you claim to.
Until you demonstrate your willingness to take the small amount of effort to make this discussion easy to follow and participate in, I refuse to engage you on any matters of importance.
If you truly wish to debate with us, then I suggest you make use of the quote tags. If you are simply trying to troll this board, then please do so elsewhere.
Until you demonstrate your willingness to take the small amount of effort to make this discussion easy to follow and participate in, I refuse to engage you on any matters of importance.
If you truly wish to debate with us, then I suggest you make use of the quote tags. If you are simply trying to troll this board, then please do so elsewhere.