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Christophera's Other Conspiracy

I don´t think so because you forget that we have 13 Parties
over here, 6 in national parlament and the rest on local, state
levels. Your understanding seems to suggest that all these
different parties try to fool our citizens.

But i guess you would agree that germany is not ruled by
secret, jewish illuminat-zionism or something, right?

How long has the present party been in control? What was the last part to control and how long was the control it had and did it take control from the party which later took it back? ALT: Are 2 parties tossing control back and forth and the others not getting it?

I would have to say that it has been moved by its politics away from that secret, religious of control. It's media may make it needed for all of the secret control to remain very much in the background. Corporations have no national affiliations, in some ways, so the people dependence on corporations shows how much they control and secret control over them is always present in the economic sectors supporting.

Of course all these different claims could be disinfo. Even
my words could be disinfo. How do you personally know what
is true and what not? If you differ between truth and lies in
a kind of "gov = wrong" and "contra-gubmint = truth" then
you might end up in a world that looks pretty ugly.

What is true works for the people in the long term and what is a lie does not.

But to make an example: You remeber the no-planers, the
space weapons and the pod theory. This misinfo was coming
from truthers like you.

You are generalizing, a cognitive distortion. There are no truthers like me. Not one. I work alone in sharing, for now, I can tell that others are starting to realize that the groupings you generalize are slipping into disbelief as their information continues to fail for the peoples interests over time.

They seem to collect a lot of info and
just chose to adobt anti-gov content and ignore other evidence
that contradicts with their theories.

I agree. And, what they do is about sensationalism and division of the people, just like media. I use raw evidence to qualify official information, and to disqualify it for consistency with the over all in the long term.

As i said. I don´t trust your government, too - but i did not
found any hard evidence for an inside job till now. This
Jowenko CD-Expert didn´t even wonder that the towers
collapsed. So why do ignore this expert who is cited so
often from truthers because his WTC7 statements?

No promoted authority can be trusted. Basically, no one who will use the truth to expose secrets is given power to share on a mass level. I use raw evidence, I know what I'm looking at.

I am honest to you, Christopher - the american academic
world isn´t very interesting for me at all. But i will read a
summary if you know a good article about it.

There is too much fear in academia to use truth in the 9-11 matter.

My point was: Why don´t you sign up in an academic forum
which has the kind of experts you´re criticizing?

The scholars for truth refuse to admit me to any of their forums. I've applied 3 times. Their secretary left becuase of inequities in the membership. All entities of authority are suspect. Only agreement, upon raw evidence. with reason, between people, has meaning.

II don´t live over there so i can´t say for sure if there is some
kind of mind control over there. What i can say is that the
fear- and warmongering looked very suspicious like lying pro-
paganda from my point of view.

9-11 was a death ritual invoking the reptilian mind in the population. Lizards do not work together or protect each others interests. Control the information to keep reasoning of the mammalian instincts and the people are disabled from agreement, unity and action

For example: With the 6 parties in national german parlament:
An incident like the WMD lies would run for MONTHS within
the press and parlament. I know this from much smaller,
political affairs over here - so i have no reason to believe
in any kind of brainwashing. And we also dont have such
political campaigns like in the us where the canidates act
like clowns in a circus and throw mud at each other. The
elections here are pretty boring concerning "mediamarketing"
and we don´t care about BS like: "He has a lesbian daughter"
or something. If someone sucks, the media and voters rips
him apart.

Good to hear. I hope some German media corporations start buying satellite time to provide alternative news about America from Germany with traditional german editorializations.

I would like to hear the "skeptics"-thoughts in here about
that. For me it looks like there is much truth in your thoughts
about it. Even if i don´t think the media was part of an
inside job.

The media and courts of America are completely controlled and have been for 20 years.

But what do you think about the hijackers confessions? They
actually say "We will do it". Off course i know the articles about
"Atta was addicted" and such stuff but there are million of
details about him that contradicts with this one story. Who
do you tend to believe? Same goes to the other Hijackers,
it´s very well investigated and the "official (worldwide)"
media coverage is pretty plausible if you took the time to
look into it.

Mind control (you don't know about that) and creation/promotion of authority.

So you say that muslim people can´t be angry about america?
Well, if i look into iraq i get pretty angry and if i would live
over there, i would at least wish the us-gov to go to hell.
You may look into these 40 minutes to understand their
intentions. (You have to consider the historical backgrounds
of their countries, too.)

No, Muslims have every reason to be angry with America. America has not acted to secure its information system, vital to its democracy, and through the resulting ignorance and manipulations of its cultures, has lost control of the democracy while the republic is dismantled. From that condition has resulted 9-11 as a false flag reason for war on Muslim countries.

Do you think they thought about collateral damage if they
blew up the towers? Do you think they were too dumb to
crash a real plane into Shanksville or the pentagon?

Both mentions of planes are immaterial to the deciding events and so are distractive. Each has it's own purposes, whatever they were. There seems to be evidence that there was a plane 93 somewhere. it may not have been what hit the ground. Here is its role in the WTC.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1207667

For me the Photo looks weird but on the other hand i would
suppose that there was a lot of airpressure during the collapse
What do you think about his expert views?

Air pressure = nonsense. This is high explosives, well contained and distributed.

Jowenko = nonsense.
 
How long has the present party been in control? What was the last part to control and how long was the control it had and did it take control from the party which later took it back? ALT: Are 2 parties tossing control back and forth and the others not getting it?

The present main party is in power since the last elections
but that does not mean that they can do whatever they
want. They need a 1/3 majority within the parlament to
make important decisions - which means that they have to
come to an agreement with other parties to get the 1/3
of votes within the parlament.

Also the parties try to coalite and find a shared course
after and during elections to get more influence within
the parlament but there are always big and controversial
discussions before important changes like reforms on
educational-, social-, health sectors or before changes
within or new laws. Without the 1/3 of votes within
the parlament, the leading party can do nothing. :rolleyes:

I would have to say that it has been moved by its politics away from that secret, religious of control. It's media may make it needed for all of the secret control to remain very much in the background. Corporations have no national affiliations, in some ways, so the people dependence on corporations shows how much they control and secret control over them is always present in the economic sectors supporting.

I´m not sure if you are talking about the american
government right now but to be honest: I guess a
two party-system is not very controversial at all.
Somehow it sounds like a 2 party dictatorship to me.

There is no other explanation for the decision to go
into the iraq war without evidence. I would assume
that the Republicans would go crazy after the faked
evidence was revealed but nothing happend. How
controversial is this behavior?

What is true works for the people in the long term and what is a lie does not.

Well, to be honest. A lot of theories within the
truthmovement were false and disappeared completely.
How much of the official story has been completely
disproven? And i know there are flaws within the
official report - especially concerning the foreknowledge.

You are generalizing, a cognitive distortion. There are no truthers like me. Not one. I work alone in sharing, for now, I can tell that others are starting to realize that the groupings you generalize are slipping into disbelief as their information continues to fail for the peoples interests over time.

I apologize if i generalized you - but your concrete core
is a pretty lonesome theory, don´t you think? (No matter
if it´s true or not - you miss the support for your theories)

I agree. And, what they do is about sensationalism and division of the people, just like media. I use raw evidence to qualify official information, and to disqualify it for consistency with the over all in the long term.

It´s sad that you have to be so sceptic about your media.
Living over here i tend to believe them in the first place
but i also listen to what is said "between the lines". But
do you think that every US-media is completely controlled
by the government? Sounds pretty unrealistic to me.

No promoted authority can be trusted. Basically, no one who will use the truth to expose secrets is given power to share on a mass level. I use raw evidence, I know what I'm looking at.

You might see explosives being used on the picture. For
me it does not look exactly this way because i never
saw a Top-to-Bottom controlled demolition before.

There is too much fear in academia to use truth in the 9-11 matter.

This sounds plausible but to be honest - the schoolars
for 9/11 didn´t find anything that would convince me
so far.

The scholars for truth refuse to admit me to any of their forums. I've applied 3 times. Their secretary left becuase of inequities in the membership. All entities of authority are suspect. Only agreement, upon raw evidence. with reason, between people, has meaning.

But what about other scientific forums beside the 9/11
ones? Did you try it there. Maybe you ask them in small
steps instead frighten them starting the discussion with
built in C4-concrete cores. You may try it from a neutral
view and find the truth between their and your thoughts
because your thoughts seems to be mostly grown from
your thoughts. So you might have made some errors
in your research and you don´t know them (for example).

9-11 was a death ritual invoking the reptilian mind in the population. Lizards do not work together or protect each others interests. Control the information to keep reasoning of the mammalian instincts and the people are disabled from agreement, unity and action

Mhmm, it´s hard to generalize the american people
upon your beliefes. I mean JREF but also the truth-
movement clearly shows that there are a lot of sceptics
out there - on both sides. JREF also have a lot of people
who hate the war and don´t support the bush regime.
But they are sceptic concerning an inside job never-
theless - no matter if they like the neocons or not.
Maybe the answer for you is between their and your
opinion. However - my expieriences with your conrete
thread is, that you ignore a lot of people and their
opinions - and this is pretty annoying to them. And
i was annoyed, too about your ignorance - but i guess
you are a nice person nevertheless. :)

Good to hear. I hope some German media corporations start buying satellite time to provide alternative news about America from Germany with traditional german editorializations.

We have a good relationship to america - so i wouldn´t
think that we would take every chance to "kick your
asses over there" (kidding :p) - but the resistance to
the iraq war was a good sign that we don´t follow
every idea blindly.

The media and courts of America are completely controlled and have been for 20 years.

So you think all media is "contaminated" - no matter how
contradictory the political reports are? And what about the
courts - you have a juror-system and these people are
simple citizens. (and sorrily not very skilled in law at all)

Mind control (you don't know about that) and creation/promotion of authority.

I know a littlebit about it but to me it sounds
very weird and i don´t believe to be a victim of
it. Otherwise i would support my government instead
thinking they are all nuts. :D

No, Muslims have every reason to be angry with America. America has not acted to secure its information system, vital to its democracy, and through the resulting ignorance and manipulations of its cultures, has lost control of the democracy while the republic is dismantled. From that condition has resulted 9-11 as a false flag reason for war on Muslim countries.

You might be right - the only problem with this thougt
of yours are huge errors to go to war. If they had to
fake the WMD-evidence, they had no plans at all. And
what´s even dumber - they got caught with this lie.
They make themselves look pretty stupid and it´s
hard to believe that this was their goal or that they
are so dumb.

Both mentions of planes are immaterial to the deciding events and so are distractive. Each has it's own purposes, whatever they were. There seems to be evidence that there was a plane 93 somewhere. it may not have been what hit the ground. Here is its role in the WTC.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1207667

Air pressure = nonsense. This is high explosives, well contained and distributed.

Jowenko = nonsense.

I´m not sure if i understood you the right way because
the link shows the weird collapses contrary to the impact
zones and that the second tower fell first.

I´m no expert in these things but they did no good job if
they couldn´t hide the weird collapses. I mean they should
have known where the planes hit and therefore blow it up
in a way that nobody would ask questions.

But as i said - i have to believe in experts since my knwoledge
about controlled demolitions is far beyond the knowledge
of experts.

Why do you think that Jowenko is nonsense. He said that
WTC7 is a controlled demolition. Why shouldn´t he lie about
WTC7 but would lie about tower one and two, too? I
mean it´s his daily job to blow up buildings - not ours.

I don´t know if you took the time to watch his explanation
but does it sound so weird to you? And concerning the
second tower but first collapse - there was much more
weight on top of the impact zone - i guess that was the
reason for the earlier collapse.


- Oliver
 
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Oliver, seriously, the man is mentally ill.

I don´t think so - i believe he is stuck in his own mind because
he never really used to discuss issues with others - that´s why
christophers world concerning his theories is so complicated,
especially because he does not trust others.

Am i wrong, Christopher?
 
For those not familiar, I work as a dispatcher for a Police department. I answer 911 calls from all sorts of interesting people.

I have dealt with someone who reminds me very much of Christophera. Here is a link:
http://jelinker.homestead.com/jelinker.html

This was a very nice, well educated man, who started to get a little strange (as seen in the link). Eventually he kept getting worse and worse, sounding almost identical to Chris (mind control, corruption, etc). I talked to him quite frequently through my job, and did the best I could to get him help. However, he kept getting further away from reality. At one point he was calling us literally dozens of times, ranting and raving. We sent an officer to try and find him for a welfare check. When the officer tried to talk to him, he freaked out and started to fight. Long story short, John was soon en route to jail, with a stop at the hospital for medical clearance: it took several officers and a K9 to get him in custody. He was then sent to our local mental health facility. He has called me and several of my co-workers to apologize for his behaviour, and he seems to be doing much better now.

Bottom line, Chris, is that you need to get some help. Maybe a regular phsychiatrist is not for you, but at least find a counselor or support group of some kind.

As for us on the board, arguing with him will only make things worse, no matter how rooted in fact your argument is. That's my humble opinion...


You got a kook there.

You are not reading and using information. You have a perceptional/attitudinal problem that is shared with many and istrashing the US Constitution and any chance at rights and freedoms that may still exist.

Snap out of it.

I have web sites with raw evidence.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

I don't call the cops with nonsense here. They treat me with respect and I do the same back. I know their job and they do too. They do not want to be psychologists with guns.
They understand that mental health care is negligent. I've showed them the documents, they see my evidence and are concerned that the courts cannot recognize, follow and uphold laws.

What is your excuse? The documents are in this thread.

Read! Examine raw evidence. Think. Understand. Get some spine and use truth to protect life. Sheeesh****
 
I don´t think so - i believe he is stuck in his own mind because
he never really used to discuss issues with others - that´s why
christophers world concerning his theories is so complicated,
especially because he does not trust others.

Am i wrong, Christopher?

Yes you are wrong. My world is complicated because courts are not recognizing, upholding and following laws, cictizens are showing they are incapable of acknowledging this, government is neglecting lawful performance in 3000 capital crimes while the behaviors complained of by "law enforcement" which can dealt with by needed mental health care I have shown is available, approved and required by law is denied in violation of laws.

Unitil fellow citizens show they have the competency and integrity to read documents, understand laws and the inherent relationships ten make reasonable decisions to take appropriote actions, I have no reason to trust them. This is far too serious and they have been and are being decieved by media into thinking authority still exists.

Official authority in this nation is always rightful and lawful and we have NO REASON to accept authority that is not conducting themselves in such away.

Any who suggest we should allow this are basically a part of the lawlessness and cannot be trusted. Far too much has happenned.

The guy posted this int he thread that has the documents to solve the problem he posts. duh

For those not familiar, I work as a dispatcher for a Police department. I answer 911 calls from all sorts of interesting people.

I have dealt with someone who reminds me very much of Christophera. Here is a link:
http://jelinker.homestead.com/jelinker.html

This was a very nice, well educated man, who started to get a little strange (as seen in the link).


Project86, can you tell me what city you dispatch for?
 
sorry chris, we will no longer entertain any others claims you make because its been shown and proven by you that you are mentally unstable.

arguing with someone who is mentally unstable and is in unfair to those on this forum.

We asked you numerous times to give up trying to convince us, becauase we are SKEPTICS here. meaning, you will not have anyone believe your imagined scenarios and claims.

Truly, you need to seek professional help and have someone commit you for observation.
 
sorry chris, you're credibility was shot with your first post at this forum.
zaayrdragon has more credibility in one atom of his entire being than you do.

Again, seek help.
 
The proof of my reading skills,

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2198631#post2198631

proves, with your post, (which is absent all proof) that your integrity had suffered a pathetic downturn (not a new development).

Chris, you keep pointing to this request for a continuance as meaningful. It is not. It's remarkably common. If you didn't get it in the mail before the October 11 court date, at least one reason may be that the mail had to be forwarded from one address to another.

In any case, it is nothing of substance. Whatever the doctor did or did not testify to at your small claims hearing and whatever truthfulness he did or did not display, this form is no proof of any material deception.

I implore you to look at the long, long list of people who you think cannot be trusted: lawyers, judges, psychiatrists, engineers, reporters, politicians, normal people who've had their memories erased, etc. The list excludes almost nobody. Please consider carefully the fact that you believe that everyone is "in" on some sort of plan, that everyone is being deceived, that everyone is following quietly except you. If the whole world seems to have gone crazy, chances are very good that it is just the opposite.

Get help, Chris. Please.
 
Chris, you keep pointing to this request for a continuance as meaningful. It is not. It's remarkably common. If you didn't get it in the mail before the October 11 court date, at least one reason may be that the mail had to be forwarded from one address to another.

You keep trying to pretend you did not misinterpret the documents linked from the message that correctly explained them. The cancellation mark is applied the day the mail is deposited inthe mailbox by the sender. Two days after the declaration of perjury was signed which "states that all parties are hereby notified, meaning the notification HAS been mailed."

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2198631#post2198631

The clerk that stmped my MOTION TO DISQUALIFY the judge that failed to recognize the perjury was really disgusted. The cleraks do not like it whenthe documents that tehy certify for the state under law are ignored for their lawfull meaning. Of course that will have little meaning to you.


The judge that failed to recognize the perjury recused herself from the hearing scheduled at the hearing of the MOTION TO DISQUALIFY.
 
sorry chris, you're credibility was shot with your first post at this forum.
zaayrdragon has more credibility in one atom of his entire being than you do.

Again, seek help.

zlizard is not American and neither are you, this thread is about matters concerning the principles of this nation and its Constitution and laws made under it.

Not to mention your collective lack of credibility proven by your collective inablity to verify anything whatsoever.
 
You keep trying to pretend you did not misinterpret the documents linked from the message that correctly explained them. The cancellation mark is applied the day the mail is deposited inthe mailbox by the sender. Two days after the declaration of perjury was signed which "states that all parties are hereby notified, meaning the notification HAS been mailed."
.

Just out of interest, are you claiming that they had served the notice on you (ie by letter) but had no evidence that you had received it, hence it was ultra viries for them to certify that you had been notified?
 
So, Chris, did you ever actually have your small claims trial against the doctor? If so, what was the result?
 
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You are dense. I've already explained it on his very page.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2197208#post2197208

The legal abuse was that the judge accepted the perjury on the sate court documents, the falsified documents the Ph.D. presented and the perjury about them and dismissed my case.

Christopher, I'm sorry but that just is not possible. The doctor was granted a continuance to December 2. On December 2, you should have been able to appear in court, and present your underlying case. The doctor's "perjury" on the continuance form had nothing to do with your underlying claim.

Even if you never received the request for the continuance in the mail (which you did), you would have found out about the new date on October 11 when you showed up.

Did you appear on December 2? Did you ever present the underlying facts of the case?

From what I gather, you became enmeshed in some sort of argument about perjury, demanded that the judge recuse him/herself and then I'm not sure what happened. Would you please state chronologically what happened in your small claims case from start to finish?
 

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