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One Question for 28th Kingdom

defaultdotxbe said:
so that is the same device? i wasnt sure
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It certainly looks the same, and if you look around their website, they make a big thing over their expertise in thermite-type chemistry. Although because patent figures aren't engineering diagrams, it's often hard to tell for sure.

Go to the video link, and then erase everything in the URL after the .com, and you'll see a login screen. If you click on the "contact" link (I think it was that one, but try the others if I'm wrong), you can get some more info about the company.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Einsteen provided a video of a device that he claims (confirmation pending) is thermite based, cutting a piece of rebar. Rebar is, at most, 4"^2 area and is formed from mild (low carbon steel). It is not cutting a comparable column to what was used in the towers form from structural steel. Now, are you planning on provided evidence of a functioning, thermite based, cutting device capable of cutting through a building's core column or not?
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To give an example: if you, 28th, were to ask me for a device that could cut large amounts of paper at a time, and you were expecting a device like this: http://www.thepapermillstore.com/images/papertrimmers.jpg
and I provided this: http://www.ed.gov/inits/backtoschool/images/scissors.jpg
would you be satisfied that it meets the criteria you laid out?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
To give an example: if you, 28th, were to ask me for a device that could cut large amounts of paper at a time, and you were expecting a device like this: http://www.thepapermillstore.com/images/papertrimmers.jpg
and I provided this: http://www.ed.gov/inits/backtoschool/images/scissors.jpg
would you be satisfied that it meets the criteria you laid out?
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And don't forget in the thermiate device case that it is actually 28th who set the criteria, because he has claimed such a device exists.
 
Horatius said:
It certainly looks the same, and if you look around their website, they make a big thing over their expertise in thermite-type chemistry. Although because patent figures aren't engineering diagrams, it's often hard to tell for sure.

Go to the video link, and then erase everything in the URL after the .com, and you'll see a login screen. If you click on the "contact" link (I think it was that one, but try the others if I'm wrong), you can get some more info about the company.
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yeah, i did that and tried to register, but im not in their database (because i havent registered obviously)

i guess it keeps the riffraff out, lol
 
28th Kingdom said:
Nice math Apath. At 30' per cut that's 1000 feet divided by 30 which is 33 multiplied by 47 is 1566 devices.

At 40' per cut that's 1000 feet divided by 40 which is 25 multiplied by 47 is 1175 devices.

1175 divided by 6 weeks (42 days) work time = 27 devices a day.

Everything in the buildings was turned to rubble...all of the steel was twisted and massively deformed...but these devices would surely remain in perfect condition...like that miracle passport that was found a few blocks from ground zero.

Buried in 10's of thousands of pounds of rubble...these mangled devices would stick out like a needle in a haystack.
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Er, 1175 devices x 2 (minimum) to cut enough box columns alone. Possibly x 4.
Each device would need many multiples of the cutter shown in the video, to cope with a single side of a 15" column.
Each device would be about the size of my PC base unit, roughly.
Each of 2350 devices (min) would need to be attached to the columns with associated detonating mechanisms and wiring. How?
Each device would need a long burn to cut much heavier steel than that shown, raising the issue of the device burning through itself before it cut the column.

And .. "all of the steel was twisted and massively deformed" ???
Far from it.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
yeah, i did that and tried to register, but im not in their database (because i havent registered obviously)

i guess it keeps the riffraff out, lol
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I got that screen once too. Keep clicking stuff until it works....Just like every other computer problem you encounter these days!
 
Before reading the new posts, as I said before, I know nothing about thermite and cutter charges, I just googled this up in a minute and posted it for discussion. And about the scale ? I've seen movies in which it burns through a safe.
 
einsteen said:
Before reading the new posts, as I said before, I know nothing about thermite and cutter charges, I just googled this up in a minute and posted it for discussion. And about the scale ? I've seen movies in which it burns through a safe.
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Thermite is an incendiary. Basically used to cause extreme amounts of heat on a target.

(By implication, need to be corrected here if needed be, by a Physicist please)

I know very little about thermal physics, but at the least I can tell you that Thermite CUTTING from a device used as an explosive, a device used for fragmentation is already absurd. Heat SPREADS, it doesn't cut in linear fashion without the aid of another machine.

(end of implication)
 
einsteen said:
Before reading the new posts, as I said before, I know nothing about thermite and cutter charges, I just googled this up in a minute and posted it for discussion. And about the scale ? I've seen movies in which it burns through a safe.
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Burning through a safe is not cutting a vertical steel beam.

28th - Still waiting for an example.

Or should we just take your silence as admission that no such device exists?
 
solidslade said:
Thermite is an incendiary. Basically used to cause extreme amounts of heat on a target.

(By implication, need to be corrected here if needed be, by a Physicist please)

I know very little about thermal physics, but at the least I can tell you that Thermite CUTTING from a device used as an explosive, a device used for fragmentation is already absurd. Heat SPREADS, it doesn't cut in linear fashion without the aid of another machine.

(end of implication)
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The devices I've seen patents for encase the thermite in a rugged case, and focus the expanding hot gases and metals with a nozzle, to produce a cutting jet of hot material. Sort of like a solid rocket booster. The nozzles can be made into slits, which can cut a line. For the one in the video, you'd need to gang a buch together to cut a long line, but I've seen more recent patent applications for single devices which claim to produce the same effect, but of course the overall size would be similar. The one in the video has the advantage of having actually been invented before Sept. 2001, though.
 
Horatius said:
The devices I've seen patents for encase the thermite in a rugged case, and focus the expanding hot gases and metals with a nozzle, to produce a cutting jet of hot material. Sort of like a solid rocket booster. The nozzles can be made into slits, which can cut a line. For the one in the video, you'd need to gang a buch together to cut a long line, but I've seen more recent patent applications for single devices which claim to produce the same effect, but of course the overall size would be similar. The one in the video has the advantage of having actually been invented before Sept. 2001, though.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2188432#post2188432
 
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So the Republican Elite Tactical Commando Hitsquad brought down two 110-storey skyscrapers with..... C-clamps.
 
Horatius said:
Well, yeah, of course that :) . Chain of evidence and everything. I just think we should provide positive reinforcement when one of them does something right for once. Just like training a cat, really. And I expect it will be just as long and frustrating....
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Yes it is but eventually the cat will get you trained.
 
Horatius said:
The devices I've seen patents for encase the thermite in a rugged case, and focus the expanding hot gases and metals with a nozzle, to produce a cutting jet of hot material.
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Now it's my understanding that in a controled demolition a prep team cuts about 90% through support beams and the explosives do the rest.

So for a WTC thermite conspiracy....

1. Would a thermite torch be used to pre-cut the support beams in the weeks leaving up to 9/11?
2. Or....would these thermite torches have been used by the perps ON 9/11? If so, wouldn't the thermite perps have been killed too?
 
yeah and everyone knows there was an exposed core column next to every office water cooler. All you had to do was say 'I'm Thirsty" and sneak away from your office cube to plant such devices. And for all the others. why there were trap doors in the two layers of 5/8 thick drywall that surrounded the columns. It would have been child's play to plant the 180 tons of explosives the previous five to seven weeks before the collapse. Heck who would notice?
 
Alt+F4 said:
Now it's my understanding that in a controled demolition a prep team cuts about 90% through support beams and the explosives do the rest.

So for a WTC thermite conspiracy....

1. Would a thermite torch be used to pre-cut the support beams in the weeks leaving up to 9/11?
2. Or....would these thermite torches have been used by the perps ON 9/11? If so, wouldn't the thermite perps have been killed too?
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< CTer >

#2 : But HE Lived.

I believe it was THIS MAN who dun it.

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< /CTer >
 
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