A Series of Questions for 9/11 Deniers.

[aggle-rithm]

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

Why would they declassify this in 2001, if they were planning on doing something similar later that year?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Let me enlighten you Doc, and everyone else. The ONW doc you saw...was like 15 pages...the entire thing is like 150 pages. DO YOU GET IT? NO? YES? MAYBE? Only 15 pages were declassified, GET IT? YES? NO? MAYBE?

SIMULATED AND REAL attacks were suggested in ONW. Talk about cherry-picking. WHY do you think they only declassified 15 pages? DO YOU KNOW? YES? NO? MAYBE?

One of the suggestions in ONW was shooting people in DC with snipers. What does that sound like to you? Other suggestions included bombing US cities....but, let's not talk about that.

You people's ignorance and/or straight up denial of the facts is appalling.

The document can only be judged by the material that is available. For you to assume that the material that is still classified supports your claims is a fallacy.

 

[JimBenArm]

This is what you don't get. They're (USG) not going to enlist the help of standard military personal. These are Black Op....so I'm sure it is hard for you to believe that anyone in the armed forces would attack and kill it's own people. These are the type of operations you would never hear about. If drone planes were used on 9/11, than guess what? No American had to physically come in contact and/or kill another American. It would have only taken the services of a few select individuals working within the Bush administration to pull all the strings and execute the attacks. NORAD wasn't in on it...they were disarmed with a diversionary tactic, which had them engaged in simulated war games on 9/11.

The people in the armed forces are the true heros of American...and thus, the biggest victims in all of this mess. They are constantly exploited for their undying patriotism to their country, by not only being sent over to fight and die in wars that only serve the elite (not the greater good or global peace) and their agendas...but by (knowingly) being exposed to hazardous chemicals and materials like in the first Gulf War.

It's just a very sad thing to see...and that's what motives me to take time out of my life to help spread the truth of what is happening in the world...in hopes that we can get some justice for not only the victims of 9/11 but also for the men and women who have so bravely fought and served this country with an impregnable loyalty and devotion.

Oh, you betcha! There's no way someone like us would ever know anything about the workings of the "real" military. We only saw what they wanted us to see, and all the officers and civilian overlords just kept us poor, ignorant enlisted in the dark. But someone like you, who can't pour [rule 8] from a boot with the instructions printed on the heel, can see all the real workings of the military.

Yeah, right.

Sorry, my 14 years active duty trump your 14 role-game-playing days , poser.

 

[solidslade]

Oh, you betcha! There's no way someone like us would ever know anything about the workings of the "real" military. We only saw what they wanted us to see, and all the officers and civilian overlords just kept us poor, ignorant enlisted in the dark. But someone like you, who can't pour [rule 8] from a boot with the instructions printed on the heel, can see all the real workings of the military.

Yeah, right.

Sorry, my 14 years active duty trump your 14 role-game-playing days , poser.

XD

Ooorah Master Chief!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You people are not serious. You have nothing...you have NOTHING...you have NOTHING...you have NO THING.... N O T H I N G.

You cannot hold a serious political debate about 9/11 with a Truther. You just can't...you'll be made a fool in less than 4 posts. You're all a bunch of ignorant weasels...who play go fetch with the USG. You might have the ability to calculate a math problem...but you lack the required mindfulness it takes in order to escape from the psychological imprisonment of the system you are so blindly defending.

NO **** SHERLOCK! IF YOU WANT POLITICS, GO TO THE POLITICS SUBFORUM. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS EVIDENCE!

 

[aggle-rithm]

Very high reluctance. We're talking about containing our very own citizens on our very own soil >_> It will be very hard to keep composure in the ranks. things like "Sergeant, these are Americans were detaining here!" well be said, Loud and Often. thats just the enlisted level.

The Officer/Colonel/General level? Would be political/career suicide. No one wants to be known as the General/Colonel to have lead an American Tienanmen(sp?) containment unit. Senior officers always want to be remembered as "Big Daddy" in the community. of course, all this just coming from a former enlisted mans view.

If the military were as gung-ho to take civilian lives as the CT'ers seem to believe, there would have been 6 or 7 airliners shot down on 9/11.

 

[aggle-rithm]

It's just a very sad thing to see...and that's what motives me to take time out of my life to help spread the truth of what is happening in the world...in hopes that we can get some justice for not only the victims of 9/11 but also for the men and women who have so bravely fought and served this country with an impregnable loyalty and devotion.

That's very admirable, but how do you determine what the truth is when you rely so heavily on speculation and questionable sources?

 

[solidslade]

If the military were as gung-ho to take civilian lives as the CT'ers seem to believe, there would have been 6 or 7 airliners shot down on 9/11.

Counter implication to that :

WHO Would execute that "shoot down" order in the first place?

Imagine this conversation :


SPC : Sir, higher is informing us to launch against that civilian airliner....

Entire Comm Station : .....

Comm CPT : ********. Asked them again.

SPC : Sir, they are confirming it.

Comm CPT : I ain't making that call!



Comm : Sir, you have been cleared to shoot and engage.

Pilot : Comm, confirm that you are instructing me to shoot down this civilian airliner with possibly a hundred American civilians inside, quite possibly talking to their families on the airfones..... >_>

Comm : Sir, the order has been issued. You are clear.

Pilot : YOU CAN GO ***** YOURSELF COMM. I AINT MAKING THAT CALL!


Doesn't matter if it was ordered or not. But I can guarantee at least those conversations WILL have happened if it ever came to that.

 

[aggle-rithm]

NO **** SHERLOCK! IF YOU WANT POLITICS, GO TO THE POLITICS SUBFORUM. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS EVIDENCE!

Interesting new tactic of 28K's! He's gotten his @ss handed to him discussing physics and structural engineering, so now he's migrating to subjects he figures us eggheads won't know anything about.

Unfortunately, I don't think he even knows what the word "politician" means.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Counter implication to that :

WHO Would execute that "shoot down" order in the first place?

Imagine this conversation :


SPC : Sir, higher is informing us to launch against that civilian airliner....

Entire Comm Station : .....

Comm CPT : ********. Asked them again.

SPC : Sir, they are confirming it.

Comm CPT : I ain't making that call!



Comm : Sir, you have been cleared to shoot and engage.

Pilot : Comm, confirm that you are instructing me to shoot down this civilian airliner with possibly a hundred American civilians inside, quite possibly talking to their families on the airfones..... >_>

Comm : Sir, the order has been issued. You are clear.

Pilot : YOU CAN GO ***** YOURSELF COMM. I AINT MAKING THAT CALL!


Doesn't matter if it was ordered or not. But I can guarantee at least those conversations WILL have happened if it ever came to that.

I figured it would be something like this:

Pilot: Can we confirm that order?

Comm: Order has been confirmed.

Pilot: Can you make sure, one more time?

Comm: Yes, the order has been confirmed!

Pilot: I know, but...never mind, it's already crashed.

 

[solidslade]

Interesting new tactic of 28K's! He's gotten his @ss handed to him discussing physics and structural engineering, so now he's migrating to subjects he figures us eggheads won't know anything about.

Unfortunately, I don't think he even knows what the word "politician" means.

Oh I think he man-finangled himself on the subject of black ops, military structure, military culture as well. speaking of which ...



STILL WAITING 28th

/points below

Originally Posted by solidslade
BINGO! "Black Ops!"



Please provide me with SOME evidence of "Black Op" units commiting false flag operations in the united states.

Ill even list you the commands and divisions that are the "Black Ops", if I am getting your implications correctly.

The Navy Seals
Marine Corps Force/Battallion Recon
Marine Corps MEUs SOC
Army Rangers
Army Special Operations
The ENTIRE US Intelligence / Counter Intel Community
The NOC (thats non Official Cover) Agents, Chiefs, assistants, interns in the CIA
The FBI HRC.
various Joint Task Forces of the said organizations above.

So you are saying : that named organizations above, are 1.WILLING AND 2.CAPABLE of commiting a False Flag Attack on its own soil?

Please provide evidence of your claim.

Google is NOT your friend.
I already got your dumb definition of "traitor spy" from Wiki.
The video on CBS is stupid and a Red Herring.

Direct Evidence Please!

 

[solidslade]

I figured it would be something like this:

Pilot: Can we confirm that order?

Comm: Order has been confirmed.

Pilot: Can you make sure, one more time?

Comm: Yes, the order has been confirmed!

Pilot: I know, but...never mind, it's already crashed.

True. If not utter defiance for a preposterous order, one can procrastinate because that "humanity" triggers in.

 

[Architect]

I'm still waiting for the wee toe-rag's response to the Edinburgh and Sheffield Uni technical papers.......

 

[LashL]

Third question: do you think we should keep playing 28th's game for a further 1000+ posts ?

No!

And have you noticed how unoriginal the 9/11 Deniers are? They can't even come up with their own terminology. They are, rightly, called conspiracy theorists; they call those who disagree with them conspiracy theorists. They are called 9/11 deniers; they attempt to call those who disagree with them 9/11 deniers. How very boring, and predictable.

 

[uk_dave]

NO **** SHERLOCK! IF YOU WANT POLITICS, GO TO THE POLITICS SUBFORUM. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS EVIDENCE!

I think 28k needs a psychology sub-forum.

 

[Mashuna]

I'm still waiting for the wee toe-rag's response to the Edinburgh and Sheffield Uni technical papers.......

I'm sure it'll be here, any day now.

 

[juryjone]

It's just a very sad thing to see...and that's what motives me to take time out of my life to help spread the truth of what is happening in the world...in hopes that we can get some justice for not only the victims of 9/11 but also for the men and women who have so bravely fought and served this country with an impregnable loyalty and devotion.

And you do this by posting on an Internet forum?!? Please, tell me, what exactly are you accomplishing here? What else are you doing to spread the news to people who can "get some justice"?

Shouldn't you be spending some of this time you're taking out of your life to gather some actual evidence? 'Cause I haven't seen any of it here.

 

[Flo]

If the military were as gung-ho to take civilian lives as the CT'ers seem to believe, there would have been 6 or 7 airliners shot down on 9/11.

or much more simply, there would be many much more military dictatorships around the world.

Note that even in actual military dictatorships, the military is still quite reluctant about shooting their own citizens ... that should tell CTs something (if the little elves inside their skulls didn't mask all external sounds and thoughs processes).

 

[JimBenArm]

I'm still waiting for the wee toe-rag's response to the Edinburgh and Sheffield Uni technical papers.......

Patience! It takes time to write a 47-page critique with a dull crayon!

 

[Flo]

No!

And have you noticed how unoriginal the 9/11 Deniers are? They can't even come up with their own terminology. They are, rightly, called conspiracy theorists; they call those who disagree with them conspiracy theorists. They are called 9/11 deniers; they attempt to call those who disagree with them 9/11 deniers. How very boring, and predictable.

Quite so, and a common trend among woo: religious nuts calling atheists "believers", creationists calling science "religion", etc., etc. Reminds me of how small brained people need to belittle others in order to feel great ("Celui qui rabaisse, c'est qu'il est bas" - the ones who belittle others show how little they are - Citadelle, Antoine de St-Exupery).