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A Series of Questions for 9/11 Deniers.

Very high reluctance. We're talking about containing our very own citizens on our very own soil >_> It will be very hard to keep composure in the ranks. things like "Sergeant, these are Americans were detaining here!" well be said, Loud and Often. thats just the enlisted level.

The Officer/Colonel/General level? Would be political/career suicide. No one wants to be known as the General/Colonel to have lead an American Tienanmen(sp?) containment unit. Senior officers always want to be remembered as "Big Daddy" in the community. of course, all this just coming from a former enlisted mans view.

Thanks for that - Kinda a what I thought the answer would be. In saying that. In my mind, it is the biggest stumbling block for the whole 911 movement.

Sure you can cook up all these grand plans. But the bottom line... somebody in the military has to execute the plan. And the qualities that make someone successful in the US military - are exactly the opposite to the mind set to actually conduct the attacks
 
This is what you don't get. They're (USG) not going to enlist the help of standard military personal.
Evidence that they won't please?

These are Black Op....so I'm sure it is hard for you to believe that anyone in the armed forces would attack and kill it's own people.
Evidence they exist please?

These are the type of operations you would never hear about.
How come you hear about them? Evidence please?

If drone planes were used on 9/11, than guess what? No American had to physically come in contact and/or kill another American.
Speculation.

It would have only taken the services of a few select individuals working within the Bush administration to pull all the strings and execute the attacks.
Evidence please?

NORAD wasn't in on it...they were disarmed with a diversionary tactic.
Evidence that this was the purpose for the drills please?

The people in the armed forces are the true heros of American...and thus, the biggest victims in all of this mess. They are constantly exploited for their undying patriotism to their country, by not only being sent over to fight and die in wars that only serve the elite (not the greater good or global peace) and their agendas...but by (knowingly) being exposed to hazardous chemicals and materials like in the first Gulf War.
Evidence about exploitation please?

It's just a very sad thing to see...and that's what motives me to take time out of my life to help spread the truth of what is happening in the world...in hopes that we can get some justice for not only the victims of 9/11 but also for the men and women who have so bravely fought and served this country with an impregnable loyalty and devotion.
Evidence that you're not just a pompous little person trying to fill a meaningless life please?

Your thinking is freightening. You're exactly like everyone who generalizes and claims that black people, jews, muslims, extreme christians and whatnot are by default guilty and should be prosecuted without any trial of real evidence just because "we all know how THEY are and that THEY have done it before".
 
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This is what you don't get. They're (USG) not going to enlist the help of standard military personal. These are Black Op....so I'm sure it is hard for you to believe that anyone in the armed forces would attack and kill it's own people. These are the type of operations you would never hear about.



BINGO! "Black Ops!"

:cool:

Please provide me with SOME evidence of "Black Op" units commiting false flag operations in the united states.

Ill even list you the commands and divisions that are the "Black Ops", if I am getting your implications correctly.

The Navy Seals
Marine Corps Force/Battallion Recon
Marine Corps MEUs SOC
Army Rangers
Army Special Operations
The ENTIRE US Intelligence / Counter Intel Community
The NOC (thats non Official Cover) Agents, assistans, interns in the CIA
The FBI HRC.
various Joint Task Forces of the said organizations above.

So you are saying : that named organizations above, are WILLING AND CAPABLE of commiting a False Flag Attack on its own soil?

Please provide evidence of your claim.

Google is NOT your friend.
 
Your thinking is freightening. You're exactly like everyone who generalizes and claims that black people, jews, muslims, extreme christians and whatnot are by default guilty and should be prosecuted without any trial of real evidence.

You people are not serious. You have nothing...you have NOTHING...you have NOTHING...you have NO THING.... N O T H I N G.

You cannot hold a serious political debate about 9/11 with a Truther. You just can't...you'll be made a fool in less than 4 posts. You're all a bunch of ignorant weasels...who play go fetch with the USG. You might have the ability to calculate a math problem...but you lack the required mindfulness it takes in order to escape from the psychological imprisonment of the system you are so blindly defending.
 
You cannot hold a serious political debate about 9/11 with a Truther. You just can't...you'll be made a fool in less than 4 posts. You're all a bunch of ignorant weasels...who play go fetch with the USG. You might have the ability to calculate a math problem...but you lack the required mindfulness it takes in order to escape from the psychological imprisonment of the system you are so blindly defending.

What about those of us who are not part of the system... Who don't even live in the US?
 
You cannot hold a serious political debate about 9/11 with a Truther.

That's the difference between you and me. I look for evidence and you hold policital debates trying to pretend that it is in some way evidence for something.

I noted that you didn't provide any of the evidence that I asked for so I conclude that you're just speculating then.
 
First question: Do you believe the premise of a false-flag operation is complete fantasy?

No. Your point ?

Second Question: Do you think that any government from any country in the entire history of the world has ever carried out a false-flag operation against its own people in an attempt to further a political agenda?

Of course. It went something like this.

King Bill III : "People of ... er... Armathia! We were savagely attacked yesterday by the ruthless republic of ... er... "

Well, you get the picture.

Nowadays, however, it's a lot harder to get that kind of crap through because of the number of people involved to make it look convincing, the number of sources of information showing what really happened, and the number of people with enough education to see through nonsense.

Doesn't include you, of course.
 
You people's ignorance and/or straight up denial of the facts is appalling.

Are you going to keep speculating and claiming stuff or are you going to step up and prove your claims ?

Calling people naive because they don't believe your every word is kinda hypocritical, if you think about it, considering what you're claiming about governments and "sheeps"...
 
One thing it does...is prove why the whole, "Use false-flag tactics against your own people in order to drum up support for a war against another country," isn't some far fetched loony idea. ONW, shows you how this type of sinister plan...can and does have a profound psychological impact on people.

PNAC is the written plan. Go read it. They wanted to expand the American Empire...and they mention in clear detail - what it would take in order for them to accomplish their imperialistic goals.

Of course, we are all familiar with the one famous line...which states that this transformation would take a long time, minus some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Habor.

Why don't YOU read it, because like 10 million other conspiracy theorists, basic reading comprehension seems impossible for you. By "reading comprehension", what I mean is, the process of reading the material BEFORE the "famous line" and then AFTER to establish some context so you know what the F[rule8]K the author is actually talking about.

Question for you: what, exactly, is the "transformation" that PNAC speaks of in that paragraph?

Is it:

a) a transformation (i.e., expansion) of American "empire"? Or,

b) a transformation of the way the US military is structured and the types of technologies it uses.

Another question: if you're the US government, planning a Northwoods-style operation, why would you telegraph your plans in advance via a think tank report released into the public domain?

By the way, to make it easier for you, here is the full quote:

To preserve American military
preeminence in the coming decades, the
Department of Defense must move more
aggressively to experiment with new
technologies and operational concepts, and
seek to exploit the emerging revolution in
military affairs. Information technologies,
in particular, are becoming more prevalent
and significant components of modern
military systems. These information technologies
are having the same kind of transforming
effects on military affairs as they
are having in the larger world. The effects
of this military transformation will have
profound implications for how wars are
fought, what kinds of weapons will
dominate the battlefield and, inevitably,
which nations enjoy military preeminence.
The United States enjoys every prospect
of leading this transformation [df: "this" transformatio = what? What kind of transformation is the author talking about?]. Indeed, it
was the improvements in capabilities
acquired during the American defense buildup
of the 1980s that hinted at and then
confirmed, during Operation Desert Storm,
that a revolution in military affairs was at
hand. At the same time, the process of
military transformation will present
opportunities for America’s adversaries to
develop new capabilities that in turn will
create new challenges for U.S. military
preeminence.

Moreover, the Pentagon, constrained by
limited budgets and pressing current
missions, has seen funding for experimentation
and transformation crowded out
in recent years. Spending on military
research and development has been reduced
dramatically over the past decade. Indeed,
during the mid-1980’s, when the Defense
Department was in the midst of the Reagan buildup which was primarily an effort to expand existing forces and field traditional
weapons systems, research spending
represented 20 percent of total Pentagon
budgets. By contrast, today’s research and
development accounts total only 8 percent of
defense spending. And even this reduced
total is primarily for upgrades of current
weapons. Without increased spending on
basic research and development the United
States will be unable to exploit the RMA
and preserve its technological edge on future
battlefields.

Any serious effort at transformation
must occur within the larger framework of
U.S. national security strategy, military
missions and defense budgets. The United
States cannot
simply declare a
“strategic pause”
while
experimenting
with new
technologies and
operational
concepts. Nor
can it choose to
pursue a
transformation
strategy that
would decouple
American and
allied interests.
A transformation strategy that solely
pursued capabilities for projecting force
from the United States, for example, and
sacrificed forward basing and presence,
would be at odds with larger American
policy goals and would trouble American
allies.

Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and
industrial policy will shape the pace and
content of transformation as much as the
requirements of current missions. A
decision to suspend or terminate aircraft
carrier production, as recommended by this
report and as justified by the clear direction
of military technology, will cause great
upheaval. Likewise, systems entering
production today – the F-22 fighter, for
example – will be in service inventories for
decades to come. Wise management of this
process will consist in large measure of
figuring out the right moments to halt
production of current-paradigm weapons
and shift to radically new designs. The
expense associated with some programs can
make them roadblocks to the larger process
of transformation – the Joint Strike Fighter
program, at a total of approximately $200
billion, seems an unwise investment. Thus,
this report advocates a two-stage process of
change – transition and transformation –
over the coming decades.

How you clowns get a 21st-century Operation Northwoods out of that is simply beyond me.
 
You people are not serious. You have nothing...you have NOTHING...you have NOTHING...you have NO THING.... N O T H I N G.

You cannot hold a serious political debate about 9/11 with a Truther. You just can't...you'll be made a fool in less than 4 posts. You're all a bunch of ignorant weasels...who play go fetch with the USG. You might have the ability to calculate a math problem...but you lack the required mindfulness it takes in order to escape from the psychological imprisonment of the system you are so blindly defending.

Are you talking to yourself?

If so most agree you have no facts, you have nothing.

Does the capital Nothing have more nothing than the little letter nothing.

We are defending truth, justice and the american way; is that bad?

This is the CT area, not the political area! Can you read and understand english, I have problems with it do you?
 
You people are not serious. You have nothing...you have NOTHING...you have NOTHING...you have NO THING.... N O T H I N G.

You cannot hold a serious political debate about 9/11 with a Truther. You just can't...you'll be made a fool in less than 4 posts. You're all a bunch of ignorant weasels...who play go fetch with the USG. You might have the ability to calculate a math problem...but you lack the required mindfulness it takes in order to escape from the psychological imprisonment of the system you are so blindly defending.

DEFENDING? Who's defending? It's not defending anything (except rational thinking) to point out your entire argument is ludicrous.

Here's another question for you: do you believe that the has US pursued policies in the Middle East and elsewhere that might make some of the indigenous people in that area angry enough to attack US interests?

And another: do fanatical Muslim jihadists exist -- people motivated by religion and ideology to such an extent that they carry out deliberate suicide attacks against soft civilian targets? Is there any evidence for the existence of these people...and have they carried out these types of attacks in the past?
 
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What is sad is your unbound faith in the kinds of characters nobody has ever seen outside Hollywood movies, shady black-suited psychopaths in the employ of the Bush administration who have instant access to governmental resources because the military wouldn't do the job.

28th Kingdom said:
If drone planes were used on 9/11, than guess what? No American had to physically come in contact and/or kill another American.
Except for the guy charged with the job of murdering the planes' original inhabitants, of course. Still, I'm guessing that was Cheney with a shotgun, right?

To answer your original question: Yes, I believe in false flag operations, Suez was one. The Israelis attacked Egypt and Britain and France moved in to "protect the Canal", recently nationalised by Gamel Abdul Nasser. In fact the British had colluded with the French and the Israelis to pull off this coup. This is not something that was revealed decades later, but had become generally known within a year, I believe (ready to be corrected on that).
 
What is sad is your unbound faith in the kinds of characters nobody has ever seen outside Hollywood movies, shady black-suited psychopaths in the employ of the Bush administration who have instant access to governmental resources because the military wouldn't do the job.


here here.

CTers accuse the troops or the agencies of having such capability AND resources. And last I remember a year ago, there was an ONLINE BAKESALE FOR KEVLAR ARMOR.

Cookies for Body Armor. Nowhere to be found in Planet X!
After all, we're all James Freaking Bond in the Platoon Armory >_>-p
 
STILL WAITING 28th

/points below

BINGO! "Black Ops!"

:cool:

Please provide me with SOME evidence of "Black Op" units commiting false flag operations in the united states.

Ill even list you the commands and divisions that are the "Black Ops", if I am getting your implications correctly.

The Navy Seals
Marine Corps Force/Battallion Recon
Marine Corps MEUs SOC
Army Rangers
Army Special Operations
The ENTIRE US Intelligence / Counter Intel Community
The NOC (thats non Official Cover) Agents, assistans, interns in the CIA
The FBI HRC.
various Joint Task Forces of the said organizations above.

So you are saying : that named organizations above, are WILLING AND CAPABLE of commiting a False Flag Attack on its own soil?

Please provide evidence of your claim.

Google is NOT your friend.


you answered with a Wiki definition of "agent provocatuer". So your saying troops in the "black ops" organizations are willing to betray their own comrades?

the other answer is a WTC 93 bombing, regarding input from an informant out of oath, gross speculation from a reporter, and the general bureaucratic ineptness of the FBI.


Is this your final answer? a wiki entry, and a CBS news report? :rolleyes:
 
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You people are not serious. You have nothing...you have NOTHING...you have NOTHING...you have NO THING.... N O T H I N G.

You cannot hold a serious political debate about 9/11 with a Truther. You just can't...you'll be made a fool in less than 4 posts. You're all a bunch of ignorant weasels...who play go fetch with the USG. You might have the ability to calculate a math problem...but you lack the required mindfulness it takes in order to escape from the psychological imprisonment of the system you are so blindly defending.



It's getting pretty bad when you start muttering in front of a mirror. Go seek professional help as soon as possible ... :D
 
It's funny how all of you avoid even the easiest of questions. Why can't you answer them...without making me repeat myself?

Has any government or elements within it, ever attacked and killed it's own people i.e. its citizens in a false flag operation?

Elements can include anything that is affiliated with a government.

Of course, the Nazis did something similar to this to justify the invasion of Poland, but not anywhere near on the scale that you're accusing the US govt. of doing. In fact, a "false flag" operation of that scale is completely unprecedented, which is one of the many reasons reasonable people don't give any credence to the "inside job" theory.

Oh, and even if such "false flag" operations were a common occurance, it provides no evidence whatsoever, not even circumstantial evidence, that 9/11 was an inside job.
 
I have some questions I would like you all to answer for me. The purpose of this thread is to elucidate your beliefs and viewpoints on some key aspects that are directly related to the events surrounding 9/11.

First question: Do you believe the premise of a false-flag operation is complete fantasy?
This is a senseless question. The concept of a "false-flag operation" has been defined and is not prevented by any laws of physics, etc. A premise that would be complete fantasy would be something like "warp drive" from Star Trek.

Second Question: Do you think that any government from any country in the entire history of the world has ever carried out a false-flag operation against its own people in an attempt to further a political agenda?

Thanks.
Yes.
 

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