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A Series of Questions for 9/11 Deniers.

solidslade said:
Lets answer those now.

With your implications.

You imply that :

1. Troops, Agents, barring service distinction or department are WILLING and able to commit acts of treason within the borders of their own countries and domiciles.

2. That these operations will be kept "secret" in nature.


Now let's set some context, because you don't seem to have any.

1. If I was a Waffen Trooper in Nazi Germany, than yes. I would be at the moment, gassing many German Jews because they are part of the "Jewish Conspiracy"

2. If I am a current member of the US Armed Forces, and you imply those two things above, that I am capable of attacking citizens, comrades and the like, within or without US territory. Hell No. Do you have any idea on how much institutional bonding the troops have with their own country? You imply that we are willing to attack that very bond? As a military tactic? If so, than YOU ARE NUTS.
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The USG has committed more heinous acts against the people in the military than anyone else. You don't have a clue to the structure of how things work. I don't need any more of your small input. You are small because you think small...and that's why you are but a pawn and not a player in the game of life.
 
So enlighten me. How does Northwoods, a document that was played down and never put into action, relate to 9/11 at all?

Establish me a link between 9/11 and Northwoods. "It shows how governments think" is not a good enough answer. The government rejected Northwoods and the creator was fired.
 
28th Kingdom said:
The USG has committed more heinous acts against the people in the military than anyone else. You don't have a clue to the structure of how things work. I don't need any more of your small input. You are small because you think small...and that's why you are but a pawn and not a player in the game of life.
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You are nuts. What are you talking about.

What great facts do you have locked in your brain.

Name one?

How do things work?

Pawn is a player, you do not play?
 
doctorfungi said:
So enlighten me. How does Northwoods, a document that was played down and never put into action, relate to 9/11 at all?

Establish me a link between 9/11 and Northwoods. "It shows how governments think" is not a good enough answer. The government rejected Northwoods and the creator was fired.
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One thing it does...is prove why the whole, "Use false-flag tactics against your own people in order to drum up support for a war against another country," isn't some far fetched loony idea. ONW, shows you how this type of sinister plan...can and does have a profound psychological impact on people.

PNAC is the written plan. Go read it. They wanted to expand the American Empire...and they mention in clear detail - what it would take in order for them to accomplish their imperialistic goals.

Of course, we are all familiar with the one famous line...which states that this transformation would take a long time, minus some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Habor.
 
28th Kingdom said:
...You don't have a clue to the structure of how things work. I don't need any more of your small input. You are small because you think small...and that's why you are but a pawn and not a player in the game of life.
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That one's a double dogger!

:dl: :dl:

And one of these:

:id:
 
28th Kingdom said:
One thing it does...is prove why the whole, "Use false-flag tactics against your own people in order to drum up support for a war against another country," isn't some far fetched loony idea. ONW, shows you how this type of sinister plan...can and does have a profound psychological impact on people.

PNAC is the written plan. Go read it. They wanted to expand the American Empire...and they mention in clear detail - what it would take in order for them to accomplish their imperialistic goals.

Of course, we are all familiar with the one famous line...which states that this transformation would take a long time, minus some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.
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Let me further elaborate on the Pearl Harbor statement. What they are saying is that a new Pearl Harbor will help them get what they want. Does that make sense? How can thousands of innocent Americans being killed help them? They are saying they would directly benefit from a Pearl Harbor-like event. Does that seem logical?

In the court of law...the PNAC would be documented proof as a motive to commit 9/11.
 
28th Kingdom said:
One thing it does...is prove why the whole, "Use false-flag tactics against your own people in order to drum up support for a war against another country," isn't some far fetched loony idea. ONW, shows you how this type of sinister plan...can and does have a profound psychological impact on people.

PNAC is the written plan. Go read it. They wanted to expand the American Empire...and they mention in clear detail - what it would take in order for them to accomplish their imperialistic goals.

Of course, we are all familiar with the one famous line...which states that this transformation would take a long time, minus some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Habor.
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PNAC has no army and Dick has had his shotgun removed by his wife.

PNAC is just a group of people, no army, no power, just talk and ideas. You are showing great bias.

It is a loony idea.

Where is the operational arm of PNAC! Dick and his shotgun?
 
You people talk just like politicians...it's no wonder you lick their boots. Whenever...someone wants to actually give a straight answer...let me know.
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I did - No and No
 
Umm. why would Northwoods be declassified?

I think 28th's threads are the funniest i've read.
 
28th Kingdom said:
The USG has committed more heinous acts against the people in the military than anyone else. You don't have a clue to the structure of how things work. I don't need any more of your small input. You are small because you think small...and that's why you are but a pawn and not a player in the game of life.
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Ok, Let's see your "qualifications" on the "way things work", and its "structure" 28th.

I have :

-4 Years enlisted service in the US Marines Corps,
with another 4 years of inactive service and call up duty,
-Exposure to 5 different commands, in South East Asia and CONUS,
-had 10 different commanding officers,
-have been punished under the UCMJ (and I see how proceedings work.),
-have been confined to quarters for disobering a superior officer,
-have seen Panmunjon (DMZ) in North Korea,
-have aided in training and trained numerous military personel from officers to enlisted,
-had exposure to the enlisted mindset, and the officer mindset,
-have never been given ANY order to attack, fake an attack, or commit an act of treason against the United States, fellow comrades or
fellow units.


so wheres your qualifications, Oh Enlightened One? :rolleyes:
 
JAStewart said:
Umm. why would Northwoods be declassified?

I think 28th's threads are the funniest i've read.
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The funniest, but some of the least useful. He hasn't even done the basic reading that other CT'ers have, so the conversation doesn't even happen on any level that can contain any interesting information at all.

He just substitutes insults, which I guess is funny in a way. Still...
 
-have never been given ANY order to attack, fake an attack, or commit an act of treason against the United States, fellow comrades or
fellow units.
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Just out of curiousity - How do you think US servicemen would react if they did receive such an order from a superior to attack civilans, say ala Tieniman Square
 
28th Kingdom said:
Let me enlighten you Doc, and everyone else. The ONW doc you saw...was like 15 pages...the entire thing is like 150 pages. DO YOU GET IT? NO? YES? MAYBE? Only 15 pages were declassified, GET IT? YES? NO? MAYBE?

SIMULATED AND REAL attacks were suggested in ONW. Talk about cherry-picking. WHY do you think they only declassified 15 pages? DO YOU KNOW? YES? NO? MAYBE?
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So...in other words, your answer is: 'My evidence for my candy ass claims is unrevealed, possibly non-existant pages for a plot that never even got close to being implemented".

Weak.
 
solidslade said:
FOR THE RATIONAL ONLY.


The OP implies something about the quality of the "government" that is inherently, political suicide. The operations implied are done either by military or paramilitary entities.


Imagine let's say, this conversation within the platoon level of ANY military unit coming from a democratic upbringing like the United States :


SGT : at ease gents.

PVT : Sergeant, are we gonna do the counter intel stuff today?

SGT : What do you mean?

PVT : well, a guy from HUMINT approached me the other day and was looking for volunteers. He said we were needed for some "secret" operation. the HUMINT guy says its called a "False Flag" attack.

SGT : Eh?

PVT : (looking squeemish) permission to speak freely Sergeant?

SGT : go ahead...... You've already ruined my [rule8]ing morning, how else can it get worse?

PVT : WEll, the HUMINT guy said we needed to carry an operation that looked like we are being directly attacked by < insert random enemy here >.

SGT : What? Son, we're ALREADY having trouble guarding our own borders, having trouble with negotiations abroad, dealing with people who disagree with our way of life. Why do we need to fake that we're being attacked again?

PVT : Well, if we're being attacked, that means more people would support the war effort!

SGT : Ok. First off, I WOULD'NT let you go to such a dumbfounded freaking operation. Why would I risk you in that attack? Not only am I responsible for YOUR dumbass dying, that's also the CO, his CO, the Generals, all the way up to Congress. Do you think we wanna right letters to your mommy and daddy saying "Private Jimmy Schmuckatelly died gracefully in a false flag operation that wasn't a real attack. Your country is proud of your sacrifice."

PVT : err But Sergeant, WERE THE ONES who will do the attacking! :D

SGT : YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKING OUT OF YOUR MIND!

PVT : Ummm...

SGT : So, your saying that I, a Sergeant in the United States Armed Forces, will follow such a treacherous order as to attack a fellow servicemember?

PVT : Umm, well the HUMINT guy said it wasn't gonna be military personnel....

SGT : Oh, so I, a Sergeant in the US Armed Forces, will follow such an order as to ATTACK a civilian in my own country? A civilian that has niether commited no treason nor aggression worthy of defense?

PVT : Well....

SGT : EVEN IF I am given such an order, do you think I wouldn't immediately report this to a higher authority? and if not through a higher authority, wouldn't you think I woulkdve told this to my family, my friends and my other colleagues? That pretty much ruins the "secret" doesn't it?

PVT : But Sergeant, wouldn't that be disoberying an order? I mean we have to follow orders right?

SGT : Lawful Orders. Do you think there's anything lawful about attacking your own citizens, your fellow comrades in your own country? And even IF I am given such an order, do you think I would follow it? And that's just me. What about the other 2-3 million service members who have very firm family ties in this country? Do you think they would attack the families of their own comrades?

PVT : I'm gonna go shut up now :boggled:

SGT : Damn right you will, now peal those taters! :cool:
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Nominated! I'm gonna be saying "peal those taters" for days...
 
MG1962 said:
Just out of curiousity - How do you think US servicemen would react if they did receive such an order from a superior to attack civilans, say ala Tieniman Square
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Very high reluctance. We're talking about containing our very own citizens on our very own soil >_> It will be very hard to keep composure in the ranks. things like "Sergeant, these are Americans were detaining here!" well be said, Loud and Often. thats just the enlisted level.

The Officer/Colonel/General level? Would be political/career suicide. No one wants to be known as the General/Colonel to have lead an American Tienanmen(sp?) containment unit. Senior officers always want to be remembered as "Big Daddy" in the community. of course, all this just coming from a former enlisted mans view.
 
MG1962 said:
Just out of curiousity - How do you think US servicemen would react if they did receive such an order from a superior to attack civilans, say ala Tieniman Square
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Oops our leader killed himself, we all saw it, he was upset about his...
 
This all suggests a new question for Truthers:

Why do Truthers ask loaded questions all the time? Isn't this what you do when your argument is weak and you can't find any experts to back you up?
 
solidslade said:

Ok, Let's see your "qualifications" on the "way things work", and its "structure" 28th.

I have :

-4 Years enlisted service in the US Marines Corps,
with another 4 years of inactive service and call up duty,
-Exposure to 5 different commands, in South East Asia and CONUS,
-had 10 different commanding officers,
-have been punished under the UCMJ (and I see how proceedings work.),
-have been confined to quarters for disobering a superior officer,
-have seen Panmunjon (DMZ) in North Korea,
-have aided in training and trained numerous military personel from officers to enlisted,
-had exposure to the enlisted mindset, and the officer mindset,
-have never been given ANY order to attack, fake an attack, or commit an act of treason against the United States, fellow comrades or
fellow units.


so wheres your qualifications, Oh Enlightened One? :rolleyes:
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This is what you don't get. They're (USG) not going to enlist the help of standard military personal. These are Black Op....so I'm sure it is hard for you to believe that anyone in the armed forces would attack and kill it's own people. These are the type of operations you would never hear about. If drone planes were used on 9/11, than guess what? No American had to physically come in contact and/or kill another American. It would have only taken the services of a few select individuals working within the Bush administration to pull all the strings and execute the attacks. NORAD wasn't in on it...they were disarmed with a diversionary tactic, which had them engaged in simulated war games on 9/11.

The people in the armed forces are the true heros of American...and thus, the biggest victims in all of this mess. They are constantly exploited for their undying patriotism to their country, by not only being sent over to fight and die in wars that only serve the elite (not the greater good or global peace) and their agendas...but by (knowingly) being exposed to hazardous chemicals and materials like in the first Gulf War.

It's just a very sad thing to see...and that's what motives me to take time out of my life to help spread the truth of what is happening in the world...in hopes that we can get some justice for not only the victims of 9/11 but also for the men and women who have so bravely fought and served this country with an impregnable loyalty and devotion.
 
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