A Series of Questions for 9/11 Deniers.

[Flo]

It's funny how all of you avoid even the easiest of questions. Why can't you answer them...without making me repeat myself?.

Because

a) it is laughingly obvious that the only answer you're expecting is "yes master, tell us more", and

b) you've shown again and again that you were either unable or didn't want to understand any answer that were given to you that didn't comply with a).

 

[solidslade]

FOR THE RATIONAL ONLY.


The OP implies something about the quality of the "government" that is inherently, political suicide. The operations implied are done either by military or paramilitary entities.


Imagine let's say, this conversation within the platoon level of ANY military unit coming from a democratic upbringing like the United States :


SGT : at ease gents.

PVT : Sergeant, are we gonna do the counter intel stuff today?

SGT : What do you mean?

PVT : well, a guy from HUMINT approached me the other day and was looking for volunteers. He said we were needed for some "secret" operation. the HUMINT guy says its called a "False Flag" attack.

SGT : Eh?

PVT : (looking squeemish) permission to speak freely Sergeant?

SGT : go ahead...... You've already ruined my [rule8]ing morning, how else can it get worse?

PVT : WEll, the HUMINT guy said we needed to carry an operation that looked like we are being directly attacked by < insert random enemy here >.

SGT : What? Son, we're ALREADY having trouble guarding our own borders, having trouble with negotiations abroad, dealing with people who disagree with our way of life. Why do we need to fake that we're being attacked again?

PVT : Well, if we're being attacked, that means more people would support the war effort!

SGT : Ok. First off, I WOULD'NT let you go to such a dumbfounded freaking operation. Why would I risk you in that attack? Not only am I responsible for YOUR dumbass dying, that's also the CO, his CO, the Generals, all the way up to Congress. Do you think we wanna right letters to your mommy and daddy saying "Private Jimmy Schmuckatelly died gracefully in a false flag operation that wasn't a real attack. Your country is proud of your sacrifice."

PVT : err But Sergeant, WERE THE ONES who will do the attacking!

SGT : YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FREAKING OUT OF YOUR MIND!

PVT : Ummm...

SGT : So, your saying that I, a Sergeant in the United States Armed Forces, will follow such a treacherous order as to attack a fellow servicemember?

PVT : Umm, well the HUMINT guy said it wasn't gonna be military personnel....

SGT : Oh, so I, a Sergeant in the US Armed Forces, will follow such an order as to ATTACK a civilian in my own country? A civilian that has niether commited no treason nor aggression worthy of defense?

PVT : Well....

SGT : EVEN IF I am given such an order, do you think I wouldn't immediately report this to a higher authority? and if not through a higher authority, wouldn't you think I woulkdve told this to my family, my friends and my other colleagues? That pretty much ruins the "secret" doesn't it?

PVT : But Sergeant, wouldn't that be disoberying an order? I mean we have to follow orders right?

SGT : Lawful Orders. Do you think there's anything lawful about attacking your own citizens, your fellow comrades in your own country? And even IF I am given such an order, do you think I would follow it? And that's just me. What about the other 2-3 million service members who have very firm family ties in this country? Do you think they would attack the families of their own comrades?

PVT : I'm gonna go shut up now

SGT : Damn right you will, now peal those taters!

 

[The Doc]

"We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized."

"Terror Campaign" could be a series of hostage situations. Nothing resembling bombing in there.

So simulating the sinking of a boatload of cubans en route to Florida is "bombing Florida"? Right...

 

[28th Kingdom]

You people talk just like politicians...it's no wonder you lick their boots. Whenever...someone wants to actually give a straight answer...let me know.

 

[Wizard]

It says real or simulated.

It involves hurting thye cubans.

Why do you apologise for terrorists?

Well from what ive seen today apologising is something you are good at

 

[beachnut]

What is the goal?

What is another name for false flag?

False Flag for me; when I hear false flag I think of CT truth guys telling another lie. Anyone have this feeling? Dumb but each time I see false flag I get ready for junk, junk science and junk ideas.

 

[Flo]

You people talk just like politicians...it's no wonder you lick their boots. Whenever...someone wants to actually give a straight answer...let me know.

That'll be whenever pigs fly, or you'll bring real arguments, facts, and knowledge, whatever comes first ...

 

[The Doc]

You people talk just like politicians...it's no wonder you lick their boots. Whenever...someone wants to actually give a straight answer...let me know.

Here's your answer. No, absolutley not.

It says real or simulated.

It was never put into action. If you read the rest of the document it seems to favour simulated.

It involves hurting thye cubans.

You said bombing Miami and Washington...

Hurting Cubans isn't killing your own citizens. Especially when they are refugees.

Why do you apologise for terrorists?

I do?

Listen here buddy. I've got uncle who served in Iraq. My father served in the first gulf war and has also worked with Anti-Terrorism squads for the Federal Police. For you to say that I apologize for people who live to kill my relatives is outright insulting and you should be ashamed.

Well from what ive seen today apologising is something you are good at

Again with the personal attacks. How about you try debating the facts I present. Or are you only capable of personal attacks?

 

[28th Kingdom]

"We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized."

"Terror Campaign" could be a series of hostage situations. Nothing resembling bombing in there.

So simulating the sinking of a boatload of cubans en route to Florida is "bombing Florida"? Right...

Let me enlighten you Doc, and everyone else. The ONW doc you saw...was like 15 pages...the entire thing is like 150 pages. DO YOU GET IT? NO? YES? MAYBE? Only 15 pages were declassified, GET IT? YES? NO? MAYBE?

SIMULATED AND REAL attacks were suggested in ONW. Talk about cherry-picking. WHY do you think they only declassified 15 pages? DO YOU KNOW? YES? NO? MAYBE?

One of the suggestions in ONW was shooting people in DC with snipers. What does that sound like to you? Other suggestions included bombing US cities....but, let's not talk about that.

You people's ignorance and/or straight up denial of the facts is appalling.

 

[Wizard]

Fungi I am ashamed...for you.

 

[beachnut]

Let me enlighten you Doc, and everyone else. The ONW doc you saw...was like 15 pages...the entire thing is like 150 pages. DO YOU GET IT? NO? YES? MAYBE? Only 15 pages were declassified, GET IT? YES? NO? MAYBE?

SIMULATED AND REAL attacks were suggested in ONW. Talk about cherry-picking. WHY do you think they only declassified 15 pages? DO YOU KNOW? YES? NO? MAYBE?

One of the suggestions in ONW was shooting people in DC with snipers. What does that sound like to you? Other suggestions including bombing US cities....but, let's now talk about that.

You people's ignorance and/or straight up denial of the facts is appalling.

You have no facts to support that!

What is you source for shooting people?

Source, ask the source for the ignore facts ignore 28th facts stuff.

 

[Wizard]

Let me enlighten you Doc, and everyone else. The ONW doc you saw...was like 15 pages...the entire thing is like 150 pages. DO YOU GET IT? NO? YES? MAYBE? Only 15 pages were declassified, GET IT? YES? NO? MAYBE?

SIMULATED AND REAL attacks were suggested in ONW. Talk about cherry-picking. WHY do you think they only declassified 15 pages? DO YOU KNOW? YES? NO? MAYBE?

One of the suggestions in ONW was shooting people in DC with snipers. What does that sound like to you? Other suggestions included bombing US cities....but, let's not talk about that.

You people's ignorance and/or straight up denial of the facts is appalling.

Here here

 

[solidslade]

You people talk just like politicians...it's no wonder you lick their boots. Whenever...someone wants to actually give a straight answer...let me know.

Lets answer those now.

With your implications.

You imply that :

1. Troops, Agents, barring service distinction or department are WILLING and able to commit acts of treason within the borders of their own countries and domiciles.

2. That these operations will be kept "secret" in nature.


Now let's set some context, because you don't seem to have any.

1. If I was a Waffen Trooper in Nazi Germany, than yes. I would be at the moment, gassing many German Jews because they are part of the "Jewish Conspiracy"

2. If I am a current member of the US Armed Forces, and you imply those two things above, that I am capable of attacking citizens, comrades and the like, within or without US territory. Hell No. Do you have any idea on how much institutional bonding the troops have with their own country? You imply that we are willing to attack that very bond? As a military tactic? If so, than YOU ARE NUTS.

 

[beachnut]

The real question comes out! How can 28th tie Northwood to 9/11!

???

This thread was false flag so Northwood could be tied in 28th's mind to 9/11; we have been falsed flaged by 28th

but since I am on ignore do not tell her

 

[solidslade]

What is the goal?

What is another name for false flag?

False Flag for me; when I hear false flag I think of CT truth guys telling another lie. Anyone have this feeling? Dumb but each time I see false flag I get ready for junk, junk science and junk ideas.

am starting to get that feeling every freaking time sir >_>.

Its the back of my neck, just crawls.

I get it also when someone is about to do something really stupid.

 

[28th Kingdom]

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba. Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

 

[beachnut]

2. If I am a current member of the US Armed Forces, and you imply those two things above, that I am capable of attacking citizens, comrades and the like, within or without US territory. Hell No. Do you have any idea on how much institutional bonding the troops have with their own country? You imply that we are willing to attack that very bond? As a military tactic? If so, than YOU ARE NUTS.

You have hit the comet nail on the head! The here here is too.

 

[Myriad]

Has any government or elements within it, ever attacked and killed it's own people i.e. its citizens in a false flag operation?

Elements can include anything that is affiliated with a government.

Yes!!!!!!!! Remember all those "disgruntled" postal workers shooting people in the 90s? We all remember what "going postal" means, for good reason! The Postal Service is an element of the government so all those postal workers were/are agents of the government, and many citizens were killed.

And they use that angry-streamlined-eagle Post Office symbol. Which doesn't look like any real flag to me. Instead of broad stripes and bright stars, it shows an agent of the government (eagle = American) looking like he's out to kick some ass. Which would be fine, if he was going after the nation's foreign enemies, but think about it, who do they really deliver mail to? Their own citizens!

They even attacked me once! My mail carrier brought me a letter from the Phone Company (government - ???) claiming I didn't pay my bill when really I had just paid it two days before. This was JUST BEFORE the 9/11 attacks, in 1988. Perhaps this might seem like no big deal, but you'll see that it really does all fit in when I tell you that I am a citizen!

Are you seeing the pattern here? (I don't have to ask you, you KNOW what's going on.)

Don't forget that the Postal Service has it's own fleet of aircraft!! Was 9/11 a "special delivery?"

- Myriad

 

[beachnut]

N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

Did you peddle this stuff already?

 

[The Doc]

Let me enlighten you Doc, and everyone else. The ONW doc you saw...was like 15 pages...the entire thing is like 150 pages. DO YOU GET IT? NO? YES? MAYBE? Only 15 pages were declassified, GET IT? YES? NO? MAYBE?

Well if there was something damaging to the government in there do you think they would have declassified any of it?

Northwoods itself was part of the "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba" document.

SIMULATED AND REAL attacks were suggested in ONW. Talk about cherry-picking. WHY do you think they only declassified 15 pages? DO YOU KNOW? YES? NO? MAYBE?

Wrong. It says "Simulated OR Real".

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board, a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F Kennedy's Assasinationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination.

It wasn't declassified entirley because it wasn't needed in it's entirety.

One of the suggestions in ONW was shooting people in DC with snipers. What does that sound like to you? Other suggestions included bombing US cities....but, let's not talk about that.

Source? I don't believe I've ever seen that part. Not saying you're lying, but I haven't seen it.

You people's ignorance and/or straight up denial of the facts is appalling.

Right back at you