An overlooked villain in the WTC Con$piracy

[Quad4_72]

He won't do it. He will jsut simply keep dodging the question. This is classic CT debate tactics.

 

[Gravy]

There is rumoured to be a video of of firefighters stealing 400,000 bucks from an ATM.

Those types of people are the true disrespectors.

Whatever I say about 9/11, I would never steal from the graves while the bodies are still being pulled out

1. Rumours. Prove it.

2. Disrespectors is not a real word. Learn English.

Already have. I didn't claim these articles related to the firefighters.

Stop being a coward, Wizard, and start being the man or woman that you can be.


ETA: great posts, Arus.

 

[Skibum]

Already have. I didn't claim these articles related to the firefighters.

Quad most of those stories are rescue workers.

You are correct, I don't think you said they were firefighters, though which ones are about rescue workers?

 

[Arus808]

There is rumoured to be a video of of firefighters stealing 400,000 bucks from an ATM.

We don't know that it was a single ATM. They are often housed together in banks of 4 or you often see 3 or 4 in a line along the wall of a bank

Please then, provide us with some eyewitness testimonies.

I thought I just had.

Heres some more examples of rescue workers looting:
(list of links to articles that doesn't support what he's claiming).

Stealing cars from the crime scene is looting. Forget semantics. You were wrong. They are about rescue workers looting. Period

Already have. I didn't claim these articles related to the firefighters.

wow, Wiz you just demonstrated you can't even follow what you even post in a thread. even the artciles do not support what you claim.

 

[Quad4_72]

The reason I said that they were supposed to be about firefighters is because I asked him for the eyewitness testimony of the person who saw the firefighter steal 400,00 dollars. Instead, I was provided with a bunch of unrelated articles that have absolutley nothing to do with anything. Still waiting Wizard.

 

[Skibum]

Still waiting Wizard.

Don't hold your breath. From what I've seen wiz doesn't know how to show valid supporting evidence. He just spouts rumors he heard from AJ.

 

[Arus808]

The reason I said that they were supposed to be about firefighters is because I asked him for the eyewitness testimony of the person who saw the firefighter steal 400,00 dollars. Instead, I was provided with a bunch of unrelated articles that have absolutley nothing to do with anything. Still waiting Wizard.

his thought process is worse than that of a 4 year old hyped up after eating a bar of ice cream followed by a can of soda.

1) he claims $400,000 were stolen by firefighters from ATM's
2) you and several other ask for proof (ie the "rumored" video or any eyewitness testimony)
3) he them posts links to articles that had nothing to do with rescue workers and atm's (in the same article) but 1 article about a RETIRED firefighter that was convicted of petty larceny, 1 article about a RETIRED police officer who wored for the motor pool at the WTC, and 1 article about ATM thefts by city employees. Yet he's able to get from these three articles (the rest are actually unrelated to his 1st claim) that firefighters stole $400,000 from ATM's

 

[firecoins]

as a volunteer EMT I has partners who were FDNY & NYPD.

I can tell you that the FDNY and NYPD have a turf war. On major incidents, and some minor ones, they fight for "incident command". Major incidents have a rescue component and a law enforcement component. The NYPD obviously wants command of a situation due to the law enforcement aspect especially terrorist incidents. Both the NYPD and FDNY have rescue units with redundant skills and both want their units to be the lead units. Mayor Bloomber recently gave incindent command in future incidents to the NYPD due to the law enforcement aspect. FDNY was not happy. Someone mentioned how the NYPD tried to take over ground zero during the clean up and the FDNY would have nothing to do with it. The FDNY does not leave men behind as many FDNY had not yet been identified.

Recently the NYPD and PAPD had a little spat at ground zero a few months ago over security. The Port Authority owns gorund zero with its police having jurisdiction on site. The NYPD of course has jurisdiction around the site as its NYC. The NYPD did not believe the Port Authority were providing proper security at ground zero and put cars outside entrances and exits. The PAPD got upset and responded by putting their cops on the inside of the same door.

I too heard rumors of FDNY and other emergency workers stealing clothing, watches or money. But they were rumors. Nothing provable. I don't know if I believe it or not. Its plausible too me that a few people partook but i doubt it was many.

 

[Quad4_72]

This thread should be saved as a perfect example of the way in which CTs act. Avoiding questions, providing evidence that is not relevant to the discussion, changing the subject so that they don't have to answer questions or provide evidence, and just overall being confusing and not making any sense.

 

[JimBenArm]

Wizard:
I'm still waiting to hear why you thought you needed to share rumor, innuendo, and gossip about the rescue workers and firefighters at all. Maybe there were some that did this, maybe not. I don't really care. But I do care about the reputations of ALL of them being tarnished by garbage like this, for no good reason.

Are you going to apologize for this, or just continue to defend your reprehensible behavior?

 

[Quad4_72]

Wizard:
I'm still waiting to hear why you thought you needed to share rumor, innuendo, and gossip about the rescue workers and firefighters at all. Maybe there were some that did this, maybe not. I don't really care. But I do care about the reputations of ALL of them being tarnished by garbage like this, for no good reason.

Are you going to apologize for this, or just continue to defend your reprehensible behavior?

This is why I kept pushing him for evidence that the specific event with the firefighter actually occured. Wizard, in the real world, you need to have evidence to back up claims. Either retract your claim, or provide the evidence. I think that the reputation of the FDNY deverves it.

 

[Bell]

Forget it, he won't do. Or he'll say he's not going to discuss it anymore per Mackey's request (on the previous page).

 

[JimBenArm]

I know. I just wanted to be on record as calling him out on this. He's already proven what kind of person he is.

 

[Wizard]

I never claimed those articles related to the firefighters. I said here are some more articles about rescue workers looting. I admitted the atm thing was a rumour and i did provide one witness. I have said nothing wrong and been entirely consistent

 

[Arus808]

you didn't provide a witness btw.

 

[coalesce]

I think if this thread were a Zen riddle, it would be "What is the sound of one CTer being backed into a corner by their own claims?"

Michael

 

[Oliver]

I never claimed those articles related to the firefighters. I said here are some more articles about rescue workers looting. I admitted the atm thing was a rumour and i did provide one witness. I have said nothing wrong and been entirely consistent

Did you hear the story that one firefighters grandma found
a hair in her soup? It´s not related to the inside job scenario
but if we talk long enough about it, it will. Well, that doesn´t
mean that the bomb-scenario would make much more sense
but hey, at least we talked about it - and the most important
thing is that Gravy didn´t debunked it yet. Uhm. Never read
his Papers - did he?

 

[Gravy]

What amazed me was the looting going on by the rescue workers.

There is rumoured to be a video of of firefighters stealing 400,000 bucks from an ATM.

Those types of people are the true disrespectors.

Whatever I say about 9/11, I would never steal from the graves while the bodies are still being pulled out

I will say what I like

1) How do you prove a rumour?

2) Are you really that sad?

Do you see why people think you're an idiot?

 

[Gravy]

Recently the NYPD and PAPD had a little spat at ground zero a few months ago over security. The Port Authority owns gorund zero with its police having jurisdiction on site. The NYPD of course has jurisdiction around the site as its NYC. The NYPD did not believe the Port Authority were providing proper security at ground zero and put cars outside entrances and exits. The PAPD got upset and responded by putting their cops on the inside of the same door.

It was amusing to watch. That was one safe gate!

 

[Gravy]

I admitted the atm thing was a rumour and i did provide one witness.

False.

I have said nothing wrong and been entirely consistent

False.