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An overlooked villain in the WTC Con$piracy

well there is also a reason why aTM's dont hold as much cash as Wizard claims that isn't related to capacity. it also relates to safety (of customers) and accountability (for the bank)

Well, Wizard's claim was way out there ridiculous, unless the ATM was stuffed to capacity with 100's.

I can see why the bank would only want 9 or 10 grand, rather than sticking 60 grand in there without needing it. It's not like ATMs are just some place to store money, they have a specific function.

I'm guessing they fill just what they need to deal with expected customer traffic, right?
 
Well, Wizard's claim was way out there ridiculous, unless the ATM was stuffed to capacity with 100's.

I can see why the bank would only want 9 or 10 grand, rather than sticking 60 grand in there without needing it. It's not like ATMs are just some place to store money, they have a specific function.

I'm guessing they fill just what they need to deal with expected customer traffic, right?

You are dealing with an Alex Jones fan; prisonplanet junk foams from his posts.
 
Wiz:

No reply on our total debunk of your "$400k stolen from ATM" rumor?

Thieves DO use pickup trucks to steal the whole ATMs. I designed a system whereby standalone ATMs could be bolted to a concrete floor. Not impossible to pick them up but much harder.

Lurker
 
We don't know that it was a single ATM. They are often housed together in banks of 4 or you often see 3 or 4 in a line along the wall of a bank
 
We don't know that it was a single ATM. They are often housed together in banks of 4 or you often see 3 or 4 in a line along the wall of a bank

Please then, provide us with some eyewitness testimonies.
 
Wizard, not a SINGLE one of those articles is about rescue workers looting. Not a SINGLE one. Most of them are about events of petty larceny that happened on 9/11 that have absolutely NOTHING to do with rescue workers. Didn't think I would read them or something? Good try at deception. Now, please provide the eyewitness testimony of the firefighter stealing 400,000 dollars from an ATM.
 
Charges of grand larceny are filed against 118 members of Municipal Credit Union who allegedly looted hundreds of thousands of dollars from automated teller machines when computer failure caused by collapse of World Trade Center allowed virtually unlimited access to money; they include city employees, health care workers and education workers; are accused of stealing at least $5,000 each in chaos of Sept 11 and its aftermath

looks liek theres your ATM story, doesnt mention firefighters, and over 100 people stole 5000 or so each

goes to show you how rumors get blown out of proportion
 
I'm guessing they fill just what they need to deal with expected customer traffic, right?
Yup

A bank in a small neighborhood not near any supermarkets or mall, may only keep a few thousand in 20's in their ATMS.

but one near a mall, downtown, or supermarket, may put more money and offer larger denomination bills as well.

I know the bank I worked at had a moderate traffic for use of the ATM's, but our sister location at mall, would have been considered heavy use. They , on average held up to $15,000 per day in their machines.
 
I have a feeling that I am not going to be getting those eyewitness testimonies from Wizard...probably just more links to articles that have absolutely nothing to do with anything being discussed in the thread.
 
I have a feeling that I am not going to be getting those eyewitness testimonies from Wizard...probably just more links to articles that have absolutely nothing to do with anything being discussed in the thread.

Quad most of those stories are rescue workers. One of them stole several cars and gave them to his family.

Sorry, but you are wrong
 
Wizard, not a SINGLE one of those articles is about rescue workers looting. Not a SINGLE one. Most of them are about events of petty larceny that happened on 9/11 that have absolutely NOTHING to do with rescue workers. Didn't think I would read them or something? Good try at deception. Now, please provide the eyewitness testimony of the firefighter stealing 400,000 dollars from an ATM.


Please stop lying.
 
Quad most of those stories are rescue workers. One of them stole several cars and gave them to his family.

Sorry, but you are wrong

Since when did rescue workers = fire fighters? Shall I remind you of your EXACT claim?

There is rumoured to be a video of of firefighters stealing 400,000 bucks from an ATM.

You do know that many people volunteered to help with the rescue and recovery at ground zero? Many of which were not firefighters.

from your first article:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9B07E1D6163BF937A25757C0A9629C8B63&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fR%2fRobberies%20and%20Thefts

But several United States Secret Service cars listed as ''crushed,'' prosecutors said yesterday, were actually stolen by the head of the agency's motor pool at 7 World Trade Center, a retired police sergeant who received a commendation for his rescue work on Sept. 11, 2001.
Your third article:
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstr.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
FBI accuses 13 of its agents of taking mementos from World Trade Center site, including Richard B Marx, agent who supervised evidence recovery effort at Fresh Kills landfill in Staten Island; finds that removal of World Trade Center evidence was more widespread than previously realized and that problem is longstanding one at FBI crime scenes as well; institutes formal policy against practice; survivors and families of victims of Sept 11 attacks say removal of items from rubble was insensitive
Still nothing on any firefighter(s) stealing $400,000 out of ATM"s so far.

lets continue:

yoru second article:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
A retired firefighter who was accused of stealing from ground zero while volunteering after the Sept. 11 attack was convicted in Criminal Court in Manhattan yesterday of all but two charges of petty larceny. According to court papers, an investigator found items belonging to victims of the attack during a search of Mr. Brandon's home in Pine Bush, N.Y., in 2002.
Oops, no mention of $400,000 stolen from ATM's

fourth article
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstr.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
Charges of grand larceny are filed against 118 members of Municipal Credit Union who allegedly looted hundreds of thousands of dollars from automated teller machines when computer failure caused by collapse of World Trade Center allowed virtually unlimited access to money; they include city employees, health care workers and education workers; are accused of stealing at least $5,000 each in chaos of Sept 11 and its aftermath
Oh my, nope no mention of firefighters in that article, and they accused 118 people. Not a couple of firefighters as you have implied.

fifth article
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
The manager of a hospital morgue pleaded guilty yesterday to stealing coffins that had been donated to Sept. 11 charities.
So, a morgue manager? Nope not a firefighter and definitely not $400,000

sixth article
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstr.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
Justice Department is investigating complaint by Federal Bureau of Investigation agent in Minneapolis that FBI evidence recovery team stole Tiffany crystal globe paperweight from rubble of World Trade Center; agent wrote letter to Sens Patrick J Leahy and Charles E Grassley saying paperweight showed up on desk of an FBI secretary, and they in turn informed FBI Dir Robert S Mueller and requested that agent suffer no reprisals
Now, this was about a crystal paperweight..where again is the firefighters stealing $400,000 from ATM's?

7th Article
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstr.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
Clyde Haberman NYC column on outrageous theft of large US flag from outside apartment building on East 70th Street; tenant, Joseph F Daly, had lent flag that had covered his father's coffin for display after Sept 11; he himself survived World Trade Center attack, which killed neighbor, Scott Saber
This was about the theft a US flag.
WHERE is your claim of firefighters stealing $400,000 out of ATM's?

8th article:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
A man who was arrested for stealing watches and cash while impersonating a firefighter at the World Trade Center site in October pleaded guilty to the charges yesterday. The man, Johnny Dunham, 26, of the Bronx, an unemployed security guard, was accused of stealing more than $3,000 worth of merchandise from the Tourneau store. He also acknowledged stealing a Fire Department jacket. He will be sentenced on March 21. Robert Worth (NYT)
this was a guy stealing while impersonating a firefighter....


9th article
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstr.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
Owners of St Charlie's, lower Manhattan restaurant and bar in fenced-in frozen zone that served as haven for World Trade Center rescue workers in days after attacks, say inventory and cash were taken in weeks after Sept 11 and that just about everything else is now gone; are unsure who is responsible or whether things were taken for legitimate reasons like decontamination
Nope. no mention of firefighters here. and they dont even know who stole these the items.

10th article
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstr.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
Police charge Sandra Miranda with stealing credit card of Laura Gilly, who died in World Trade Center collapse, and running up charges of nearly $5,000
This was about a woman stealing the credit card of her friend.
Still, no mention that a firefighter was involved

11th article:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa.../Times Topics/Subjects/R/Robberies and Thefts
A man was arrested at a construction site while operating a piece of earth-moving equipment stolen from the World Trade Center site four days after the terrorist attack, the police said. The police-owned piece of equipment was to be used in the rescue effort. It was reported missing on Sept. 15 from 2 Rector Street in Lower Manhattan, the police said.
Nope. looks like another civilian theft story.

If you were planning to use this as proof, you failed miserably.
 
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Where in that article was he looting? HGe made false paperwork to steel cars. Please stop deceiving people. None of those links are relevant. Now once again, where is your eyewitness testimony of a firefighter stealing 400,00 dollars out of an ATM. Stop dodging the question. If you don't have any evidence, please retract your statement.
 
Thank you for that Arus. See how silly it makes you look when you try to deceive people Wizard?
 
Where in that article was he looting? HGe made false paperwork to steel cars. Please stop deceiving people. None of those links are relevant. Now once again, where is your eyewitness testimony of a firefighter stealing 400,00 dollars out of an ATM. Stop dodging the question. If you don't have any evidence, please retract your statement.

Stealing cars from the crime scene is looting. Forget semantics. You were wrong. They are about rescue workers looting. Period
 
Wow Wizard, you truly are something else. Not only are none of those articles about rescue workers looting, but none of them are about the specific question I asked. Which was for the eyewitness testimony of a firefighter seens stealing 400,000 dollars from an ATM. Instead of providing me with that testimony, you gave me links to a bunch of articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand. Please provide some relevant evidence now.
 
Wow Wizard, you truly are something else. Not only are none of those articles about rescue workers looting, but none of them are about the specific question I asked. Which was for the eyewitness testimony of a firefighter seens stealing 400,000 dollars from an ATM. Instead of providing me with that testimony, you gave me links to a bunch of articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand. Please provide some relevant evidence now.


Already have. I didn't claim these articles related to the firefighters.
 
Stealing cars from the crime scene is looting. Forget semantics. You were wrong. They are about rescue workers looting. Period

1) only one of your articles referenced a rescue worker and as stated rescue worker doesn't mean they were firefighters. What part of "many people volunteered" in the rescue effort did you not understand?

2) much of the "looting" were done by civilians and city employees. who were niether rescue workers nor firefighters. Some FBI agents involved (who were not there to rescue but to investigate) were charged with the taking of mementos (note that , that means objects) from the debris of the WTC towers and ground zero.


So please , show us the video and/or testimony of firefighters involved in the the stealing of $400,000 from ATM machines.
 

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