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POPCORN! Gravy is on...! :D

DODGE!

That proved Ron's report SO well. Something along the lines of:
"Why are people so reluctant to address the NIST report"?
"On the note of Flight 93..."
 
I'm eager for it to end, I sure would like to see that Paris Hilton Topless video on Google video's side bar...
 
Part 2 is even better what can I say Mark good job, Bermas really is clinging on to a fantasy especially regarding the controlled demolition theory!
 
Gravy misrepresented the NIST truss tests. They could only get them to warp by 3 inches but then they extrapolated that for the computer models.
 
Wizard said:
Gravy misrepresented the NIST truss tests. They could only get them to warp by 3 inches but then they extrapolated that for the computer models.
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Why were the columns in your opinion bowing and buckling prior to the collapse?
 
Wizard said:
Gravy misrepresented the NIST truss tests. They could only get them to warp by 3 inches but then they extrapolated that for the computer models.
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Please explain how I misrepresented the tests. If you're interested in an extended discussion, start a new thread. Just be prepared to defend your position with facts. Knowing what's in the NIST report is a good start.
 
Anyway, folks, notice how LTW is now saying that the collapse may not have started with controlled demolition, but that explosives must have been used in order for the collapse to progress? They are in deep, deep doo-doo.
 
Again, Dylan was speechless, as we might expect. The debunking got pretty intense when it got to the physics of the collapse initiation but I think a couple of minutes were lost with the Bermas apology, which is outside of the issue.

But great show all in all, great job Gravy!
 
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Agent Mayr said:
Gravy is asking for an open debate with Killtown:

> I'd like Killtown to get my public challenge to a public debate about flight 93 evidence. He can choose the moderator and place. I promise to be polite. He only has to agree to use his real name and to allow the debate to be videotaped and broadcast.

- Gravy <

So - what do you think, Killtown?
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IVXX said:
Bye bye Oliver.
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Mwahahah... That´s what you think... :D
ETA: And please don´t ban the whole board again...
 
Nice Job on part two Gravy. it was a bit more chaotic but you still got your points across. The intro out takes were hysterical.


I started a new "Truss Me" thread for discussion outside the topic of this thread
 
I feel more for Dylan and Bermas after watching those video's... They really just don't have the science. When asked for an engineer to write an explanation for how all the others have got it wrong on the twin towers, they can only point to alex's jones rejected paper and to a guy that was shown some images with no further explanation.
 
Just watched some of the video and I agree with the majority of commenters here: Dylan doesn't look too confident.

It almost makes me feel bad about making 9/11 Deniers speak. Almost.
 
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Oliver said:
Mwahahah... That´s what you think... :D
ETA: And please don´t ban the whole board again...
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just goes to show that they run a fascist forum. they think they are "seeking" the truth, but one dissenting opinion, and they become power hungry idiots, ready adn waiting to exercise it, to silence those that oppose them.

Yes, Dylan, you run a tidy little ship there.
 
TheChadd said:
I feel more for Dylan and Bermas after watching those video's... They really just don't have the science.
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Yah. Gravy had Bermas scrambling. I almost felt sorry for 'em.
ALMOST.

Gravy, you're very calm and lucid. Were you on debate teams in college/high school or anything like that?
 
Pardalis said:
Again, Dylan was speechless, as we might expect. The debunking got pretty intense when it got to the physics of the collapse initiation but I think a couple of minutes were lost with the Bermas apology, which is a outside of the issue.

But great show all in all, great job Gravy!
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Actually, I brought up the Bermas claims about the FDNY because it was directly relevant to the question that Ron started the show with: what is this coercive force that has compelled everyone with "inside" knowledge to keep quiet?

Bermas at Ground Zero, 9/9/06, speaking to Abby Scott:
Listen, people have to keep silent if they want to keep their government jobs. Period. They do. The firefighters ARE paid off. The days after they all said there were bombs and explosions. Read the papers September 11th and September 12th. Read them September 13th.

...A lot of times they address it, they fear for their lives. I mean, they really say that sometimes.

Abby: Who said that?

Bermas: We've had firefighters come up and say, don't call me, I love my family. Yeah.

Abby: And that means they're being paid off.

Bermas: It's so obvious!
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His "apology," 12.1.06:
I would just like to apologize for the comment I made to one Abby Scott on September 9th of this past year. I made the MISTAKE of saying that the firefighters were paid off, I did not mean this, and am convinced some sort of Jedi Mind trick was pulled on me. I was discussing how if you have a government job and want to keep it, aka Controlled Demolition Inc. you keep your mouth shut. It then moved to the firefighters and some how I said "The firefighters are paid off", and then cited how many of them discussed the bombs in the days after. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE FIREFIGHTERS WERE PAID OFF! I hold them as heroes in the highest regard, and I truly believe that they were threatened in the aftermath of the event that not only traumatized a country, but still affect their lives deeply to this very day. Many of these men have families, and would do anything to keep them safe. I also believe many of them do not, and can not think the worst of their country. I know it was very difficult for me.
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Notice that all Bermas could say on the show is that when they called one cop, he said he didn't want them calling him. Well, neither would I! Ron's point that these guys constantly misrepresent what the first responders said seems to be completely lost on these guys. They can't have it both ways. The firefighters can't be heroes and cowards at the same time.

Again and again and again, about every subject, Bermas says, "I believe. I truly believe." Yep. He does. Avery doesn't look so sure though.

I let Bermas go on too long about the "shadow government" nonsense. I was assuming that if anyone thought this meant "shadowy government," they'd just Google it and find out what it really means: some officials from various departments are sent to secure locations to insure government continuity in case of a disaster. These are public officials, not shadowy, "second government" officials.
 
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To be fair Bermas didn't have a clue what NIST says the collapse mechanism is, which looked very bad. A lot of posters on the LC boards know and the makers of the film don't
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Yah. Gravy had Bermas scrambling. I almost felt sorry for 'em.
ALMOST.

Gravy, you're very calm and lucid. Were you on debate teams in college/high school or anything like that?
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No, never had a debate or a TV interview before. In a sanctioned debate there are rules to follow, which would not work in the conspiracists' favor.
 
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