POPCORN! Gravy is on...! :D

[boloboffin]

It took me 5 seconds to find one on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkrsDpW6ly4

Of all those shots, the apple at the beginning is most like the ground.

Pay attention to the size of the entry wound. Flight 93 could not penetrate the ground, so all of that expulsive force was contained in the ground.

 

[ConspiRaider]

ok heres a video of a car going 287MPH as viewed from behind. imagine twice this speed hitting the ground. its towards the end of the video but i think you will get the picture. I know shameles plug i crew on such a car.

Nice find, Smitty, that's pretty awesome. I think it was 267 MPH? Wow. And to think that Flight 93 was moving more than twice as fast when it impacted...

 

[A W Smith]

you are aware that the crash site was a landfill correct? Its not like the plane hit shale or as we call it in the industry "undisturbed earth" You do know that not all the dirt will be ejected from the crater correct? even if you shoot a 22 rifle into the ground the bullet is well below any crater that is formed. Unless your thinking.. well the wings should certainly prop it up over the hole as it hits the ground. Wizard Tell me your not that foolish.

 

[Wizard]

You're an expert on plane crashes?

Why should they show you ANY of the wreckage? You wouldn't understand it even if they did, unless you are an expert on plane crashes.

Do you never trust experts?

Do you always argue with your doctor?

Yes doctors are often wrong. Thats why people seek second opinions.

Why not show us the wreckage? They showed us other plane wreckage in other cases?

 

[Wizard]

Basically Flight 93 hit the ground at an almost 90-degree angle at this speed...



...now after viewing the video could you please explain to us all why you think the plane shouldn't have buried itself 25 feet undergound and left a crater about 10 feet deep?

Gravy said 40 degrees didn't he?

 

[A W Smith]

Nice find, Smitty, that's pretty awesome. I think it was 267 MPH? Wow. And to think that Flight 93 was moving more than twice as fast when it impacted...

yes i just now fixed my typo it was in fact 267mph

 

[uk_dave]

Yes doctors are often wrong. Thats why people seek second opinions.

Why not show us the wreckage? They showed us other plane wreckage in other cases?

So, do you keep on arguing with doctors until you find one who says what you want to hear?

And in other plane crashes the reasons for the crash are unknown and need to be investigated. Finding voice recordings and witness testimony regarding telephone conversations from those on the plane gives a pretty good explanation of what happened.

Why recreate the plane from wreckage if it is not considered possible that a bomb or mechanical fault caused the crash?

You just want the plane recreated because you don't believe it was that plane.

Well, tough. Your personally incredulity does not outweigh other peoples professional and investigative integrity.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Yes doctors are often wrong. Thats why people seek second opinions.

Why not show us the wreckage? They showed us other plane wreckage in other cases?

unlike other plane crashes this one was known to be a criminal act from the beginning, so it was under FBI juridiction from the beginning

 

[Spins]

Gravy said 40 degrees didn't he?

One of the eye-witnesses said an almost 90 degree angle, the FDR recovered at the crash site recorded a 40 degree angle. Are you going to dodge the question?

 

[uk_dave]

Killtown further spews:

QUOTE (thehighwaymanq @ Dec 17 2006, 07:28 PM)
i wanna see KT vs. Mark Roberts in a flight 93 debate


i would pay for that

If he wasn't such a pr*ck, I would and I'd DESTROY him.

Btw, he thinks Val McClatchey is a "9/11 victim"!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'd like to see killy and gravy in a videotaped debate...only condition being killy can't wear a mask or be filmed in silhouette.

 

[geni]

Wow, maybe Dylan really is humble! Starting at about 6:45:

I'm starting to wounder if he is suffering from an attack of intellectual honestly. Or rather he's reaching the point where the doubethink is causeing him problems.

 

[Wizard]

One of the eye-witnesses said an almost 90 degree angle, the FDR recovered at the crash site recorded a 40 degree angle. Are you going to dodge the question?

So which was it and why did you choose the one that suited you more?

 

[David Wong]

Host: "Now, many critics have accused the Bush administration of ignoring warnings prior to the 9/11 attacks about Islamic terrorism. Do you think that's fair?"

Bermas and Dylan: "Oh, absolutely, absolutely."





Does somebody have a gif of a smiley's head exploding? Because I need it here. Talking about wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

"Bush ignored warning signs that the 9/11 attacks were coming from Islamic terrorists! Also, Bush performed the attacks! And the Islamic terrorists didn't attack! So he ignored the warnings about the attacks that didn't happen and that he actually performed himself!!!!!"

 

[beachnut]

How is that going to help people visualise the speed of a plane when noone has ever SEEN a bullet in flight?

I have seen bullets in flight! You do not shoot guns much!

You need to research stuff more!

The plane hit fast and got buried, like many Air Force accidents. Better research may help you understand what others are talking about.

But Bermas is so bad at research. Many accidents look like flight 93 when the hit at high speed. Sorry, but you are wrong.

 

[beachnut]

Yes doctors are often wrong. Thats why people seek second opinions.

Why not show us the wreckage? They showed us other plane wreckage in other cases?

I have seen other plane crashes. Flight 93 looks like a high speed crash, it is hard to tell if it was 40 or 90 degrees, either has the same effect in general!

Now you find the crashes. Good luck, with your research capabilities we may never see you (based on your statements here so far) again.

 

[Wizard]

I have seen bullets in flight! You do not shoot guns much!

You need to research stuff more!

The plane hit fast and got buried, like many Air Force accidents. Better research may help you understand what others are talking about.

But Bermas is so bad at research. Many accidents look like flight 93 when the hit at high speed. Sorry, but you are wrong.

Could you find me a case where a plane buries itself underground like Flight 93 is supposed to have done?

 

[Pardalis]

Host: "Now, many critics have accused the Bush administration of ignoring warnings prior to the 9/11 attacks about Islamic terrorism. Do you think that's fair?"

Bermas and Dylan: "Oh, absolutely, absolutely."

Does somebody have a gif of a smiley's head exploding? Because I need it here. Talking about wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

"Bush ignored warning signs that the 9/11 attacks were coming from Islamic terrorists! Also, Bush performed the attacks! And the Islamic terrorists didn't attack! So he ignored the warnings about the attacks that didn't happen and that he actually performed himself!!!!!"

Troofers are a little racist. They claim Muslim extremists aren't capable of carrying out a plan like 9/11. According to them, they're too stupid, "low IQ" as Bermas said, so they need help from the big US of A...

 

[geni]

I don't care if the plane was doing Mach 3, it couldn't bury itself 25 feet ondergound and leave a crater about 10 feet deep.

The britsh tallboy couldn't break Mach 2 but it could penitrate 16 ft of concrete or at least 60 feet of soil. The plane wasn't designed for quite the same ground penetrating performance so only bits of it managed 25 feet.

 

[Quad4_72]

Could you find me a case where a plane buries itself underground like Flight 93 is supposed to have done?

Find a case where a plane crashed into the ground at 500+ mph and you will have your answer. Most plane crashes are at much lower speeds.

 

[Pardalis]

Also note that plane crashes are usually accidental, often due to technical failures or pilot error. When in such a situation, pilots try to avoid as much as they can the damage, they try to stear the plane until the last seconds.

Flight 93 voluntarily rammed into the ground at full speed, head on.