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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

From the BTS website after I did a query for AA11 and AA77.....
On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, on-time statistics are not available for these flights.
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In CTspeak, I suppose that means they werent scheduled...:rolleyes:
 
uk_dave said:
Hang on..... you own a car...you insure it...if your car is destroyed you get insurance money to buy a replacement....how do you profit?.
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Buying a car isn't a business venture...it's a personal item not intended to make money. Building a property is designed to make money.
 
28th Kingdom said:
I can't say it any simpler than this. Silverstein purchased something (buildings) he metaphorically sold them to the insurance companies for a profit of 3 billion dollars. That's the difference between how much he paid for the buildings and how much he got for them through the insurance claim.

Now... Silverstein is up $3 billion dollars in profit. At this point...it doesn't matter how much he wants to spend to build new projects. If he spends 3 billion or 10 billion - he will still own a new property that is worth whatever it cost him to build it...and he will make profit off of the new project, because that's why people build things - it's a business...designed to make money.
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why did he have to blow the buildings up? it just seems redundant to blow up a "business venture" as you call it just to build another business venture in its place

BTW he paid 3.22 billion dollars for the lease, 120 million a year to the PANYNJ for 5 years after 9/11, lost all his tenants (tenant = profit for a building inc ase you were wondering) lost WTC7 which he already owned (wasnt part the WTC lease)

in return, he gets a 3 billion dollar insurance settlement, which barely covered rebuilding of WTC7, which opened with 0 renters because he had to build it so fast due to a clause in his insurance policy, and now freedom tower just recently got approved and should be opening in about 4 years (which means silverstein wont be makign any money off of it until at least that point)

also, due to liability issues (caused by 9/11 and the threat of more terrorist attacks) the uppermost floors of the freedom tower wont be rented out to businesses (so no money there either)

so all in all i think larry is about 20 billion in the hole even after the insurance collection, this "business venture" better pull some insane profit or he'll be dead before he gets it into the black
 
28th Kingdom said:
I can't say it any simpler than this. Silverstein purchased something (buildings) he metaphorically sold them to the insurance companies for a profit of 3 billion dollars. That's the difference between how much he paid for the buildings and how much he got for them through the insurance claim.

Now... Silverstein is up $3 billion dollars in profit. At this point...it doesn't matter how much he wants to spend to build new projects. If he spends 3 billion or 10 billion - he will still own a new property that is worth whatever it cost him to build it...and he will make profit off of the new project, because that's why people build things - it's a business...designed to make money. Just like the Trump Casino in Vegas.
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I think your leaving out something. The value of a hole in the ground versus what he owes on the value of the entire complex before 9/11. let me simplify this for you. Lets say you are paying a mortgage on the trailer you live in. You have only made a single payment and POOF you accidently burn the trailer down while smoking crack. The insurance company pays you the value of the trailer but NOT the rent of the plot of land the wreckage is parked on. You not only still have to pay that rent but you still owe the loan on the trailer PLUS you have to go out and buy more crack because the contents of the triler were not covered in the insurance. Do you understand now?
 
uk_dave said:
28th Kingdom,

are you abby scott?
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That would make sense because I am beginning to think that 28th cant possibly be for real......but as we have come to find out, you simply can NOT make a parody of CTers. Its impossible...
 
28th Kingdom said:
No, it means...they were removed as part of a cover-up. Read this:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html

This guy saved pages from the BTS website - before they went and edited that info out. That's just a classic cover-up.
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So, what you're saying is that AA77 and AA11, which were dailys** were not scheduled on that particular day for some strange reason? That makes sense to you?

**Flights that operate everyday under the same flight number.

ETA: If that does make sense to you, please explain why...
 
28th Kingdom said:
Trigood said:
This is making my head hurt.
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"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."

"His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully-constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them; to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy; to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the art of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the world [sic] 'doublethink' involved using doublethink."

Read those and tell me your head doesn't ache. That's the power of this warped mentality.
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No, my head doesn't ache from reading that. That is a brilliant description of doublethink, I believe by a genius named George Orwell, in a book, 1984, which I read at the age of 14. This passage is complex, brilliant, and makes one think, but no, it doesn't make my head ache (although it may have, at the age of 14; don't worry, as you get older, you will comprehend better).

In contrast, my head aches when I read your twisted application of doublethink to the facts (and your own made-up "factoids") of 9/11. That is when my head aches.

As someone above remarked, this passage could be a roadmap for most of the "Truth Movement." "Ministry of Truth," anyone? :D
 
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28th Kingdom said:
No, it means...they were removed as part of a cover-up. Read this:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html

This guy saved pages from the BTS website - before they went and edited that info out. That's just a classic cover-up.
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BTS is apparently a 3rd party organization which archives flight information

seems that UA decided to report the hijacked flights as "diverted" and AA decided not to report them at all (because its not like anyone on the planet DIDNT know what happened to 11 and 77)

why is that so hard to understand?

and once again, when will you be informing the families the peopel who died on those flights that their loved ones bought tickets on non existant flights?
 
28th Kingdom said:
That's harder to believe...than 19 hijackers...with amateur flying experience...hijacking 4 commercial airliners (100% success rate 4 for 4) with box cutters and managing to pull off air maneuvers that would test even the most skilled fighter pilots...and that somehow, the most advanced and powerful military force in the world...was rendered completely defenseless against such an attack? And, that the Pentagon...was left open for attack - even though we knew at least 20 minutes before it was hit - that America was supposedly under attack from hijacked airliners.

Not to mention...the magical building collapses... that defied common sense...logic and the laws of physics. Nothing about the official story makes sense...and everything about the PET makes sense.
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So this all makes perfect sense to you.

The USG receive lots and lot of warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and decide to hatch a plan. They decide to hire and train 19 guys to fly planes, but don’t use them. They then use four drone planes to hit four targets. They stand NORAD down but NORAD somehow manages to shoot down one of the drone planes that were heading towards Washington, when in fact it should have been heading towards New York to hit WTC 7.
The other drone planes all hit their prearranged targets, or maybe Flight 77 didn’t hit the Pentagon, depending on which particular conspiracy you are promoting today.

Before hand secret death squads have planted lots and lots of thermite inside WTC 1, 2 and 7 awaiting the arrival of the drone planes. They then employ a method never before used or used since to demolish the Two Towers. WTC 7 which was actually a target is not hit since NORAD shoots down the drone plane but they decide to demolish WTC 7 anyway, just as an issurance scam.

The passengers and crew of the flights have simply disappeared, presumably taken off when the drone planes took over the operation. They have never been seen since and are no where to be found.

In the mean time they also decide to set up Al Quada who are not actually real, since they are just a couple of guys in a cave, who could not possibly orchestrate such a thing. Al Quada just plays along with this plan and accept total responsibility.Just for added effect somebody fakes tapes.

The US then invades Afghanistan just to kill somebody and then two years late invade Iraq who had nothing to do with the attack just to kill some more people.

NIST know all this and are covering up this dastardly plan. As are the rest of the planets scientific and engineering community. The Worlds Media is also in on the USG dastardly plan, somehow.

And this all makes sense to you?
 
28th Kingdom said:
No, it means...they were removed as part of a cover-up. Read this:
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no read THIS

It is almost impossible to change their minds. Their entire concept of themselves is tied up with the paranoid idea or conspiracy. If it did not exist, or was proven to be untrue or false-- then they would need to question their underlying assumptions and ideas--and those are what usually form the foundation of who they believe themselves to be.
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