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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

Five signs of burning,

ashes

red, blue, or the invisible fire, in daylight, of alcohol making the driver jump all over the in-field!

you say ouch when you touch a flame, that is a sign

funny smells

fire like noise

your house is a pile of black burned out junk

your skin starts burning due to heat, it hurts, that is a sign

smoke my indicate a fire is coming your way soon, sign

your gasoline burning, is a sign of burning

you hair on fire is a sign of burning

material in a pool of liquid Al burning is a sign of burning

cotton fiber burning in a pool of liquid Al is a sign of burning

put jet fuel in liquid Al and it will burn with oxygen present

put paper in liquid Al you will see signs of burning

put your finger in liquid Al you will feel signs of burning
 
28th Kingdom said:
Everyone name 5 visual signs of something that is burning.
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I corrected it for you.

Everybody name 5 visual signs of something that is boring.
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1.Stupid unsubstantiated claims.

2.More stupid unsubstantiated claims.

3.More stupid unsubstantiated claims.

4.Even more stupid unsubstantiated claims.

5.And finally even more stupid unsubstantiated claims.
 
Trigood said:
You are sick, dude, truly sick.

I totally demolish your argument intellectually, and you accuse me of being a brainwash victim.

Tell me, Toothy-Ache, King of Dumb (hey, it's an appropriate title): Who abducted me? In my 40-somethingth (mumble mumble) year on God's green earth, I don't THINK I listen to TOO MANY people on what to think about significant issues.

Or insignificant ones.

Get a grip!

No-one outside your own mind thinks what you are doing in your bedroom after school every day makes a lick of difference in the real world.

This is ridiculous.
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NIST said - this flowing material had no visual signs that it was burning. Then they proceed to say this material does have an orange glow like that of logs burning in a fireplace. They didn't say - this material has an orange glow like that of a log. They said the orange glow is from the burning of the logs.

So, it would read like this:

The flowing material had no visual signs that it was burning, but it did have a visual sign (orange glow) like something that is burning.
 
28th Kingdom said:
NIST said - this flowing material had no visual signs that it was burning. Then they proceed to say this material does have an orange glow like that of logs burning in a fireplace. They didn't say - this material has an orange glow like that of a log. They said the orange glow is from the burning of the logs.

So, it would read like this:

The flowing material had no visual signs that it was burning, but it did have a visual sign (orange glow) like something that is burning.
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I agree. (erm...bolding mine)

Now...the stuff that was flowing was not burning. Does that mean that the stuff caught in it was also not burning? Just curious...you mentioned lava flows earlier; have you ever seen a house caught in a lava flow? Remarkable sight...lots of stuff burning, but not the lava itself.
 
http://metals.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.processassociates.com/process/heat/metcolor.htm

1000C - Lemon color...higher than that required for orange.

Copper melting point = 1084C (pretty close)

Copper - common metal used in PLUMBING. Think the buildings may have had some in it...also common in ELECTRICAL WIRING.

Oh, and I have yet to see any PROOF that molten metal SLAG, full of contaminants, will not be a different color, than the pure molten metal itself.

And please do not refer me to those pathetic videos where S. Jones crew in the most unscientific manner possible, try to show this.

TAM
 
Mercutio said:
Remarkable sight...lots of stuff burning, but not the lava itself.
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Main Entry: 2burn
Pronunciation: 'b&rn
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): burned /'b&rnd, 'b&rnt /; or burnt /'b&rnt/; burn·ing
Etymology: Middle English birnen, from Old English byrnan, intransitive verb, bærnan, transitive verb; akin to Old High German brinnan to burn
intransitive verb
1 a : to consume fuel and give off heat, light, and gases
 
28th, you've made 238 posts in this thread. When will you be presenting the information you promised that will rock our puny brains? Surely with all this talk of fire you must be warmed up by now?

ETA: Word etymologies won't do it. We already have a High German on this forum.
 
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Hey 28th kingdom wont you be interested in seeing the film?

Do any of you know the story behind the arrest of the five israelites that were caught filming the 9/11 and supposedly jumping for joy. ABC's 2020 showed a documentary a while back and i am interested in learning more about it.

On June 21, 2002, ABC News reported that five Israelis were arrested on Sept 11, 2001 after being caught filming the burning of the World Trade Center from the roof of the “Urban Moving Systems” building, shouting cries of joy. The police found them driving in the company van. [Bergen Record, 9/12/01] Investigators said that there were maps of the city with certain places highlighted, found in the van. The FBI confirmed that two of the five men were Mossad agents and that all five were on a Mossad assignment. [Forward, 3/15/02] They were held on immigration violations, questioned excessively and then released after 71 days in custody. [ABC News, 6/21/02] The owner of Urban Moving System, fled the United States to Israel on Sept 14, 2001. The FBI later told ABC News that the company “may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.” [Forward, 3/15/02; New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety, 12/13/01; ABC News, 6/21/01]

I am also wondering if anyone knows if there has yet been any word on an interview with sivan kurzberg regarding that day?

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/print37707

It would be nice to get the film.
Also here is a link to the inteview with one of the five man who were arrested

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/9-11_israelis.wmv

There he supposedly states that he was there solely to record the event.
I say supposedly because i am dependent on the translater.
Of course the big question is............How did he know that something was going to happen.

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I looked over some of the evidence that Stanley Hilton had against the current administration. Apparently the lawsuite was dismissed not because of evidence but because you cannot sue a standing president.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Stanley G. Hilton has filed a class action lawsuit in Federal court in Northern California against against high officials in the current Bush administration (including the federal government, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Mueller, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft), for complicity in aiding and abetting and facilitating the Sep. 11, 2001 attacks.

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Do any of you have a reason why the government should have classified Chief Orio Palmer's Audio tape? Suppose that the tape would have been made public and aired on the 7 o'clock news..........stating that fireman had reached the 78th floor of the south tower and asked for 2 firelines to knock out the pockets of fires there.......3 minutes prior to the collapse of the tower.

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At least one person made it from the floors above the impact zone of the south tower. She ran down the stairs. You would wonder, if this was true, how she made it thru the inferno that cause a complete and symmetrical collapse of the high tensile, UL approved, 5" steel I beams.
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se7ensnakes said:
On June 21, 2002, ABC News reported that five Israelis were arrested on Sept 11, 2001 after being caught filming the burning of the World Trade Center from the roof of the “Urban Moving Systems” building, shouting cries of joy. The police found them driving in the company van.
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Hi, could you please provide a link to the original ABC News story? Thanks.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Main Entry: 2burn [URL]http://m-w.com/images/audio.gif[/URL]
Pronunciation: 'b&rn
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): burned [URL]http://m-w.com/images/audio.gif[/URL] /'b&rnd, 'b&rnt /; or burnt [URL]http://m-w.com/images/audio.gif[/URL] /'b&rnt/; burn·ing
Etymology: Middle English birnen, from Old English byrnan, intransitive verb, bærnan, transitive verb; akin to Old High German brinnan to burn
intransitive verb
1 a : to consume fuel and give off heat, light, and gases
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whats your point? if you are implying that lava burns look at what i bolded for you

se7ensnakes said:
I looked over some of the evidence that Stanley Hilton had against the current administration. Apparently the lawsuite was dismissed not because of evidence but because you cannot sue a standing president.
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you cannot file a civil suit against a sitting president, if stanley hilton had any evidence for a criminal case the laws a very different (yes, a president can be charged with a crime, its called impeachment)

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Do any of you have a reason why the government should have classified Chief Orio Palmer's Audio tape? Suppose that the tape would have been made public and aired on the 7 o'clock news..........stating that fireman had reached the 78th floor of the south tower and asked for 2 firelines to knock out the pockets of fires there.......3 minutes prior to the collapse of the tower.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]and? how much fire does the official story say was on the 78th floor? how much was on the 79th? the 80th? 81st? 82nd?[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]At least one person made it from the floors above the impact zone of the south tower. She ran down the stairs. You would wonder, if this was true, how she made it thru the inferno that cause a complete and symmetrical collapse of the high tensile, UL approved, 5" steel I beams.[/FONT]
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because the south tower was hit off center one stairway survived and allowed people to escape

BTW the south towers collapse was not symetrical and UL didnt approve the steel (your just full of the Truth™ arent you?)
 
Brainache said:
So is it entirely impossible that some of this rust may have combined with some of the molten Al. to produce some pretty wild exothermic reactions?
I know this is what our friend Crazychainsaw was working on when he damaged his eyes.

I'm not a scientist, but I'd like to know if some kind of reaction like this may have happened and if so, could it have increased the intensity of the fires?
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As Gravy (I think) posted quite some time ago, a thermite/thermate reaction can occur spontaneously. It has in fact happened and been reported in some industrial accidents whenever cutting or grinding is done on a ferrous metal (provided aluminum is around).
 
defaultdotxbe said:
in theory its possible, but barring some rather unique circumstances a thermite reaction requires a much higher temperature to ignite than those present in the towers (an acetelyne torch cant ignite thermite)

i believe crazychainsaw was able to initiate a violent reaction (whether it was an actual thermite reaction im not sure) by vibrating a pan of molten aluminum at a specific frequency and dropping some rusty iron in it, lol
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I think your forgetting that solid aluminum burns extremely easily when friction removes the oxide coating. Correct me if I'm wrong but an airlplane crashing through a steel framed building does create a bit of friction.
 
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