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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

28th Kingdom said:
9/11 is a crime...I'm investigating it like a crime...by trying to find out who did it.
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You saw those planes fly into the buildings, right? :rolleyes:

Anyway: as Debunking911.com points out - governments and corporations have been involved in conspiracies, but they've been caught out. See, for example, Watergate, or Enron.

These small-scale conspiracies, involving small numbers of people, were blown open by whistleblowers. If 911 went down the way you think it did, all the following are involved, to a man. Thousands and thousands of people. One whistleblower, just one, from any of the following groups, would bring the house of cards down:

-The courts

-The NYC Police department

-The NYC port Authority

-All the people in the Pentagon[FONT=Arial,sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial,sans-serif][/FONT]
-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11
-The media [FONT=Arial,sans-serif][/FONT]
-The photographers

-Popular Mechanics

-PBS Nova

-Everyone in the NIST [FONT=Arial,sans-serif][/FONT] -NY Governor Pataki [FONT=Arial,sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial,sans-serif] [/FONT]
-The NY city scrap yards
-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD [FONT=Arial,sans-serif] [/FONT]
-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down.

-The CIA
-The FBI
-FEMA
-The American Society of Civil Engineers
-NORAD
-The FAA
-The Silverstein Group
-Silverstein's Insurance Company
-American Airlines
-United Airlines
-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport -Scientists and engineers
-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes
-Remote controllers of the planes
-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology
-Installers of the demolitions devices
-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover
-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers
-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones.
-People who detonated the buildings"
-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

(see: http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm)


Except: there is no house of cards. Small conspiracies fail because of leaks. Large ones are basically impossible.
 
28th Kingdom said:
This is the whole problem...this is what is making you completely turn blinders on to the reality of the situation. You started out from a point that basically said...okay, THERE WERE NO EXPLOSIVES used....because that would mean an inside job, and you know that's impossible...so from this point forward...you are working with crippled information. Crippled information equals crippled results.
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Engeneers at the NIST have seen no sign of explosives.
 
I like how at first, 28th Kingdumb was saying that people are looking TOO deeply into 911 - maybe thats because you have to scratch the surface in order to see that the conspiracies are wrong?

Saying that people are looking too deeply is highly irresponsible. Only when you look deep you can see that it wasn't a the conspiracy you shamefully promote.

28th Kingbum, I think you've lost this battle. Give in. =)
 
28th Kingdom said:
This is the whole problem...this is what is making you completely turn blinders on to the reality of the situation. You started out from a point that basically said...okay, THERE WERE NO EXPLOSIVES used....because that would mean an inside job, and you know that's impossible...so from this point forward...you are working with crippled information. Crippled information equals crippled results.
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WRONG.

No Explosives (except jet fuel) DOES NOT MEAN Inside job.

Here's how it goes:

Plane crash into big building make big fire
big fire make steel weaken
weakened steel make building fall down.
Building fall down make something for CTers to misinterpret in so many infinite ways.
 
Timble said:
You believe there was crime, but you'd don't have the knowledge to investigate it. You need forensic evidence here, you don't have the expertise to grasp even basic science let alone the level you'd need to pick holes in the NIST report and provide an alternative credible explanation.
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How dare you! He watches CSI every Tuesday night on Channel 5. The Vegas and the Miami one!
 
Pardalis said:
Engeneers at the NIST have seen no sign of explosives.
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Oh, yea mean like classic demolition squibs shooting off some 30 FLOORS BELOW the collapse point? Or the classic cutter-charge ring of smoke right before the towers collapsed? Or the fact that the walls were exploding into a million pieces and the cement was being pulverized into dust...unlike any kind of natural building COLLAPSE the WORLD HAS EVER SEEN! You mean like those types of signs?

But I forgot....planes crashed...and insulation was dislodged...so anything is possible...even those pesky rainbow colored unicorns with the purple headbands.

*I added the purple headband part...that's not actually in the NIST report.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Oh, yea mean like classic demolition squibs shooting off some 30 FLOORS BELOW the collapse point? Or the classic cutter-charge ring of smoke right before the towers collapsed? Or the fact that the walls were exploding into a million pieces and the cement was being pulverized into dust...unlike any kind of natural building COLLAPSE the WORLD HAS EVER SEEN! You mean like those types of signs?

But I forgot....planes crashed...and insulation was dislodged...so anything is possible...even those pesky rainbow colored unicorns with the purple headbands.

*I added the purple headband part...that's not actually in the NIST report.
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Have you given up on the column residue now, then?
 
JAStewart said:
I like how at first, 28th Kingdumb was saying that people are looking TOO deeply into 911 - maybe thats because you have to scratch the surface in order to see that the conspiracies are wrong?

Saying that people are looking too deeply is highly irresponsible. Only when you look deep you can see that it wasn't a the conspiracy you shamefully promote.

28th Kingbum, I think you've lost this battle. Give in. =)
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Just to reiterate JAStewart has also seen both sides of the argument. He used to believe.

The truth is out there 28K...
 
28th, if the WTC controlled demolition was so obvious, why would the conspirators (USG) risk it in front of billions of people?
 
28th Kingdom said:
Oh, yea mean like classic demolition squibs shooting off some 30 FLOORS BELOW the collapse point? Or the classic cutter-charge ring of smoke right before the towers collapsed? Or the fact that the walls were exploding into a million pieces and the cement was being pulverized into dust...unlike any kind of natural building COLLAPSE the WORLD HAS EVER SEEN! You mean like those types of signs?

But I forgot....planes crashed...and insulation was dislodged...so anything is possible...even those pesky rainbow colored unicorns with the purple headbands.

*I added the purple headband part...that's not actually in the NIST report.
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No only is your horse dead, you've flogged it into steak tartare...
 
28th Kingdom said:
Oh, yea mean like classic demolition squibs shooting off some 30 FLOORS BELOW the collapse point?
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Squibs are a hollywood term that is used to describe the impact of fake bullets into a person or thing (object/ etc). Its a special effects term.

And those "squibs" you speak of, happen AFTER collapse has initiated. those "Squibs" in CD happen before collapse.

Or the classic cutter-charge ring of smoke right before the towers collapsed?
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Evidence?

Or the fact that the walls were exploding into a million pieces and the cement was being pulverized into dust...unlike any kind of natural building COLLAPSE the WORLD HAS EVER SEEN!
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I dont call 12 foot pieces of concrete, steel and drywall, puvlerised into dust. I dont call 30,000 tons of debris, dust.
And there is a first time for everything.

No one thought we could fly. people thought that the Wright Bros. were insane. Yet today, we fly all over hte world.
 
Arus808 said:
No one thought we could fly. people thought that the Wright Bros. were insane. Yet today, we fly all over hte world.
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Well you might fly, but the rest of us sane people know instinctively that anything heavier than air which is not a bird, insect or winged mammal (you have to be careful on this board!) cannot fly!!
 
Spindrift said:
28th Kingdom said:
unlike any kind of natural building COLLAPSE the WORLD HAS EVER SEEN! [\QUOTE]

What in (choose your deity)'s name is a "natural building collapse"?????
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A full building collapse...without the aid of explosives i.e. CD - Could be by fire, or wind/rain/hurricane damage - whatever...

Fact is....BOTH of these 110 story buildings...no wait 3 buildings including the WTC 7 (NO plane impact and it fell just as fast) are collapsing at near free fall speeds (NIST even admits to this claim) which has never been witnessed outside of some kind of CD. Never been witnessed on one building collapse...let alone three ON THE SAME DAY!

...I believe in miracles...oh, you sexy thing...
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Oh dear lord, here we go with the near free fall speed garbage.

You do realize that with controlled demolitions the explosives aren't there to break up the building.
They use explosives to start the fall, gravity working on the building is what breaks everything up. CD does not speed up the collapse time. They use explosives in two ways to bring the building down, first they use cutter charges to actually cut the beam, then they use kicker charges( set with a delay) to knock the freshly cut beam out of the way.
 
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Arus808 said:
And those "squibs" you speak of, happen AFTER collapse has initiated. those "Squibs" in CD happen before collapse.
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Well if the squibs are shooting off 30 floors below the collapse...wouldn't that mean they are shooting off before the collapse? Those lower floors weren't collapsing...


Evidence? (Cutter-charge ring of smoke)

http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/7886/cuttersm8.jpg


I dont call 12 foot pieces of concrete, steel and drywall, puvlerised into dust. I dont call 30,000 tons of debris, dust.
And there is a first time for everything.
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Of course..there was tons of steel rubble. No drywall and concrete of importance considering these are 110 story buildings...I think it's safe to say nearly everything (non-steel) was being pulverized during the collapse...
 
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