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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

Arkan_Wolfshade said:
How does your interpretation of the image support your claim that the steel column was not cut during cleanup efforts?
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I've already explained this pretty well. You guys are saying that this black stuff is slag from where a torch cut the steel....that would mean you are saying the torch that cut the steel MELTED the steel from the column and that the black stuff is the melted steel from the cut. I SAID, BUT if that were try....this SLAG would be the same color as the rest of the column. And then everyone said...NO ALL SLAG IS BLACK, you don't know what you're saying, man. And, I said...no that is residue from the heat from the torch that is covering the slag...if you let everything cool down, and clean the residue off of the slag....than you will see that the slag is the same color as the steel from which it came.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg
 
dogguy said:
Well, this thread most definitely has NOT changed the way I look at 9/11. In fact the comments from those posters with a funtioning brain have added evidence to confirm that the way I have always looked at it was largely correct. Has anyone here changed their views due to 28th Kingdom's pointless rants?
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I for one have after reading this thread solidified my view that making ludicrous claims about things they know nothing about is a common trait among conspiracy theorists.
 
28th Kingdom said:
I've already explained this pretty well. You guys are saying that this black stuff is slag from where a torch cut the steel....that would mean you are saying the torch that cut the steel MELTED the steel from the column and that the black stuff is the melted steel from the cut. I SAID, BUT if that were try....this SLAG would be the same color as the rest of the column. And then everyone said...NO ALL SLAG IS BLACK, you don't know what you're saying, man. And, I said...no that is residue from the heat from the torch that is covering the slag...if you let everything cool down, and clean the residue off of the slag....than you will see that the slag is the same color as the steel from which it came.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg
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Then what is your comment about this:

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
 
28th Kingdom said:
I've already explained this pretty well. You guys are saying that this black stuff is slag from where a torch cut the steel....that would mean you are saying the torch that cut the steel MELTED the steel from the column and that the black stuff is the melted steel from the cut. I SAID, BUT if that were try....this SLAG would be the same color as the rest of the column. And then everyone said...NO ALL SLAG IS BLACK, you don't know what you're saying, man. And, I said...no that is residue from the heat from the torch that is covering the slag...if you let everything cool down, and clean the residue off of the slag....than you will see that the slag is the same color as the steel from which it came.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg
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That, in no way, addresses my question. How does your interpretation of the images support your assertion that the steel was not cut during cleanup? If you can show something does not support your opponents' assertion, it does not automatically make it support your assertion.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Some of you think it's a conspiracy theory...to imply that the government could potentially benefit from an event like 9/11. THEY EVEN ADMIT HOW AND WHY IT WILL GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT. SO the MOTIVE for this crime, is NOT a conspiracy theory. THEY admit that a 9/11 can HELP THEM...

The forest is on fire people...PLEASE get out while you can...
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I suggest you actually read PNAC and stop foolishly thinking that you can summarize it in one sentence.
 
mattlodder said:
I'm sure you didn't actually read Kent1's link. The salient picture is this one:

A picture of a cleanup worker, cutting a column, with a torch, at an angle.
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28th Kingdom said:
I've already explained this pretty well. You guys are saying that this black stuff is slag from where a torch cut the steel....that would mean you are saying the torch that cut the steel MELTED the steel from the column and that the black stuff is the melted steel from the cut. I SAID, BUT if that were try....this SLAG would be the same color as the rest of the column. And then everyone said...NO ALL SLAG IS BLACK, you don't know what you're saying, man. And, I said...no that is residue from the heat from the torch that is covering the slag...if you let everything cool down, and clean the residue off of the slag....than you will see that the slag is the same color as the steel from which it came.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg
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Look at where this column is located...it's in the middle of a giant pile of rubble (doesn't look like you can't even get to it from the ground) So, what's the point of cutting it at this stage? Don't you think you would work on cleaning up all the rubble before cutting the column? And, again...why just cut it...and leave ten feet sticking out of the ground? What the heck did they accomplish....the damn thing is still there....bang up job - clean up crew....but you left a big chunk behind.

WOW look guys...radioactive orange sherbet ice cream at ground zero:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3550/thermiteic0.jpg

I guess those oompa loompas that floated down from floors 55-62 (NIST Page 256) decided to prepare some treats for the workers at ground zero.
 
28th Kingdom said:
How'd they plant everything with out no one noticing? Larry Silverstein the owner is in on the attacks...he owed the building...which means he had full access to it...Bush's brother was a principal for the company (Securacom) who did security on the WTC.

Are the WTCs residences? No...office building...do you think all of those companies were 24 hours? No...thus, they could have easily pulled off all the work at night, when everyone was gone.
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Since when did Marvin Bush have to do with the daily management of security at the wtc. Stratesec dealt with electronic surveilance. Guess the woowoo don't care about that.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Look at where this column is located...it's in the middle of a giant pile of rubble (doesn't look like you can't even get to it from the ground) So, what's the point of cutting it at this stage? Don't you think you would work on cleaning up all the rubble before cutting the column? And, again...why just cut it...and leave ten feet sticking out of the ground? What the heck did they accomplish....the damn thing is still there....bang up job - clean up crew....but you left a big chunk behind.

WOW look guys...radioactive orange sherbet ice cream at ground zero:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3550/thermiteic0.jpg

I guess those oompa loompas that floated down from floors 55-62 (NIST Page 256) decided to prepare some treats for the workers at ground zero.
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Oh yeah, they just take out huge chunks of debris when they clean up a site like this. I suppose you know more about this than anyone, too.:rolleyes:
 
28th Kingdom said:
I don't even know what this pic is suppose to be:
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http://www.debunking911.com/cut.jpg

http://www.debunking911.com/cut2.jpg

ETA: In case you couldnt figure it out on your own, its a WTC perimeter column.......being cut....with a torch......just like we've been trying to explain to you for the last 3 pages.....

But, check out that metal/steel bar in front of that gash....the bar has some of the gray stuff on it...but this bar isn't even cut...magic!
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Nonsense. The worker didnt want to cut through it, so he didn't - far from magic.
 
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28th Kingdom said:
Look at where this column is located...it's in the middle of a giant pile of rubble (doesn't look like you can't even get to it from the ground) So, what's the point of cutting it at this stage? Don't you think you would work on cleaning up all the rubble before cutting the column? And, again...why just cut it...and leave ten feet sticking out of the ground? What the heck did they accomplish....the damn thing is still there....bang up job - clean up crew....but you left a big chunk behind.
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See that picture I linked above?

http://www.debunking911.com/cut.jpg

See how the guy's on a cherry-picker / hydraulic lift?

To remove debris, you cut it into smaller, more easily transported pieces. You've seen a dumptruck in your life, right?


WOW look guys...radioactive orange sherbet ice cream at ground zero
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The building was on fire. There was burning stuff everywhere. Molten pipes, wiring, aeroplane components, cars, furniture... or did you forget that part? Again?

:rolleyes:
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
That, in no way, addresses my question. How does your interpretation of the images support your assertion that the steel was not cut during cleanup? If you can show something does not support your opponents' assertion, it does not automatically make it support your assertion.
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Dude, yer talking in riddles over there...please, plain english. I have no idea what your asking. I just proved why it couldn't have been cut by a clean up worker...BECAUSE I said that black stuff CAN'T be the melted remains of the steel from that column...since the black stuff is obviously a different color than the original steel...which means...if the black stuff can't be molten slag from a torch cut, than a clean up worker couldn't have been the one to make the cut...as a matter of fact...I'm SAYING that black stuff CAN'T BE slag from that column...so no ONE made the cut. THE BLACK stuff is from therma/ite - therma/ite produces it's OWN molten metal...which is in part IRON...which is black like that when cooled off. So, I am saying that therma/ite cut the column...and that black stuff that remains is molten iron that has cooled...molten iron from the therma/ite. THE STEEL from the column HAS NOT BEEN MELTED whatsoever...to imply slag from a torch cut implies the steel from the column has melted.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg

Look at the front edge of that column....although it's at a slant, you can see that it's clearly without any deformation from molten slag. It's completely unmelted and covered with black iron from the therma/ite.
 
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