This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

[maccy]

Think about it like this...therma/ite devices...which emit extreme burning material...are basically like disposable torches. What's so hard to believe about burning material cutting through steel? You're all saying a torch can do it....well, what does a torch use to cut through steel?

Are you starting to see the forest?

How do you direct a thermite reaction like you would a torch flame and then get it to move laterally across a steel column?

How do you synchronise it so that the collapse progresses from the impact zone downwards? Especially when you can't be sure, in advance, which floor the impact zone will be on.

 

[Pardalis]

Thanks Maccy. Hey, I've a project in your town!

From now on I would be veeery careful if I were you Maccy...

No sudden moves.

 

[28th Kingdom]

There what is? I dont follow.

Since high temps are required to cut steel beams, Thermite must've been used? Honestly, what is more likely : the column in your photo was cut by a Thermite oozing device that you cant even begin to describe, let alone show us that such a device exists and does what you say it does - or - the column was cut with a torch or a lance in the cleanup effort?

*Breathe*

Okay...a torch can cut through steel, yes? What is coming out of a torch? How does a torch concentrate what is coming out of the torch so that it will make straight cuts through steel? Could it be as simple as the slit opening at the end of the torch? So, why can't the molten metal from a therma/ite reaction use a slit opening (in a device) to cut through steel?

 

[Pardalis]

How old are you ?

 

[Timble]

NIST...couldn't get ANY of the model floors they built to collapse do to fire in ANY of their tests....is that good enough for you? NIST couldn't even prove the floors would have collapsed due to fire.

Ah, but they did mention the fact that in addition to the fire as plane had smacked into the building...

Changing tack is not going to help you.

What level chemistry did you do? In the UK the thermite reaction used to be taught in school chemistry to 13 year-olds (maybe it still is, it's a long, long time since I was there).

 

[Architect]

From now on I would be veeery careful if I were you Maccy...

No sudden moves.

Aha, you're familiar with my work?

 

[maccy]

*Breathe*

Okay...a torch can cut through steel, yes? What is coming out of a torch? How does a torch concentrate what is coming out of the torch so that it will make straight cuts through steel? Could it be as simple as the slit opening at the end of the torch? So, why can't the molten metal from a therma/ite reaction use a slit opening (in a device) to cut through steel?

What's your device with the slit opening made from?

Do they exist or is this a secret black project?

How does it move laterally to cut the column?

 

[28th Kingdom]

How do you detonate hundreds of explosives on many floors and in many different places during a typical CD? OH YEA...robot controlled, new-age cutter-simulated - nuclearolian magic...that's how.

 

[chillzero]

You know, I have this unnerving feeling that 28th Kingdom is my ex boyfriend.

28th - are you in Scotland?

 

[Architect]

28th...YOOOO HOOOO....still waiting

 

[Architect]

You know, I have this unnerving feeling that 28th Kingdom is my ex boyfriend.

28th - are you in Scotland?

Hey! Unfair on us Scots!

Unless he's from Edinburgh, in which case sod'em all.

 

[Timble]

*Breathe*

Okay...a torch can cut through steel, yes? What is coming out of a torch? How does a torch concentrate what is coming out of the torch so that it will make straight cuts through steel? Could it be as simple as the slit opening at the end of the torch? So, why can't the molten metal from a therma/ite reaction use a slit opening (in a device) to cut through steel?

Show such a device exists.
Easy to imagine a lot more difficult to engineer

And, these devices exist why weren't the remains of any found?

 

[maccy]

Thanks Maccy. Hey, I've a project in your town!

Cool. Is it listed here?

 

[28th Kingdom]

Why don't you explain your "careful analysis" and provide the "scientific fact and evidence" that backs it?

I already have..start with this post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2171782#post2171782

Read from that post forward...and you will see everything laid out. Don't just read that one post and reply..read everything that comes after it before jumping to conclusions.

Thanks.

 

[Horatius]

Oh, the angle cut. It takes less time and acetylene fuel by making an angle cut. The molten slag flows downward and preheats the steel before the torch does, making it easier to cut the beam.

Damn you and yor facts and knowledge! Don't you know we have a conspiracy to prove?!?!

 

[EvilBiker]

What do you see here?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/888644bed1fba333b.jpg[/qimg]

To what is this little animal most closely related to?

Well, Pardalis, seeing as you are not going to get an answer from 28th Try, I'll dig my oar in.

Rock Hyrax - we call them Rock Rabbits or Dassies. Closest relative is the elephant.

OK, now I can relax - not getting an answer from anybody was beginning to get in my nerves.

 

[maccy]

You know, I have this unnerving feeling that 28th Kingdom is my ex boyfriend.

28th - are you in Scotland?

I'm pretty sure that 28th is in Manchester and just gets a thrill out being here and trying out new personalities.

 

[Architect]

Cool. Is it listed here?

Yup. And it's going to look so much better than the gaffers design for a certain wee project on Deansgate, a few miles down the road.

Actually I've just changed office and the new mob have another one on the list too......

 

[apathoid]

*Breathe*

Okay...a torch can cut through steel, yes? What is coming out of a torch? How does a torch concentrate what is coming out of the torch so that it will make straight cuts through steel? Could it be as simple as the slit opening at the end of the torch? So, why can't the molten metal from a therma/ite reaction use a slit opening (in a device) to cut through steel?

One big problem. Suppose you affixed torches to the columns and started cutting. The torch will only get so far on its own, obviously it has to move completly around the column to do its job. So for your "torch" to work, you'll need to pressurize the oozing device so that the Thermite jets out(because if it merely oozed you'd have a hell of a mess and one uncut column). Can you show us a device that does this?

 

[maccy]

Yup. And it's going to look so much better than the gaffers design for a certain wee project on Deansgate, a few miles down the road.

Actually I've just changed office and the new mob have another one on the list too......

I first arrived in Leeds in 1989 when the whole Madchester thing was kicking off. You could buy T-Shirts that said "Leeds, North of Manchester".

Must look like a piddling difference from Scotland.