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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

28th Kingdom said:
I guess some of you have a hard time following simple logic...things are only as complex AS WE MAKE THEM... your left-brained - liner analysis...creates extreme impairment - namely, myopia. You absorb your attention and focus so far down into the calculations that you CAN'T SEE THE FORREST FOR THE TREES!

Diagnosis - An acute case of tunnel vision.

Remedy - STEP OUTSIDE OF THE BOX
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can we cram a few more buzzwords in there? i didnt see "paradigm shift"
 
28th Kingdom said:
I guess some of you have a hard time following simple logic...things are only as complex AS WE MAKE THEM... your left-brained - liner analysis...creates extreme impairment - namely, myopia. You absorb your attention and focus so far down into the calculations that you CAN'T SEE THE FORREST FOR THE TREES!

Diagnosis - An acute case of tunnel vision.

Remedy - STEP OUTSIDE OF THE BOX
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No mate I think the problem is you are looking at the trees and seeing Ents.
You are looking at shadows and seeing ghosts. You hear the wind howl and hear spirits in torment.

You don't seem to understand that it is you who is stuck in the box. In this box of yours the world is being controlled by a small group of evil immortal men invisibly pulling political strings. The world I live in is much more complicated.
 
apathoid said:
Good grief. First of all, you don't know that it was an inside job, you believe it was an inside job. Big difference. If you knew it was, I suppose that would make you a co-conspirator and a whistleblower, instead of a lowly conspiracy theorist.

As far as what you can do about it, here a good start.
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Well...if we CTers can scientifically prove that therma/ite was in the buildings (and we can) than yes...I think we can say that we KNOW it is an inside job. Does that make us co-conspirators?

I am trying to debate the point about the pouring molten metal from WTC 2 showing behavior that can only be explained with heat THAT IS far above anything that was possible on those floors. NIST agrees that the max temp on those floors was around 1000C, FOR A VERY GOOD REASON! NOTHING on those floors can BURN MUCH HOTTER THAN THAT..including the jet fuel - GET IT? It's all based on irrefutable scientific facts...not assumptions or guesses.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Well...if we CTers can scientifically prove that therma/ite was in the buildings (and we can) than yes...I think we can say that we KNOW it is an inside job. Does that make us co-conspirators?

I am trying to debate the point about the pouring molten metal from WTC 2 showing behavior that can only be explained with heat THAT IS far above anything that was possible on those floors. NIST agrees that the max temp on those floors was around 1000C, FOR A VERY GOOD REASON! NOTHING on those floors can BURN MUCH HOTTER THAN THAT..including the jet fuel - GET IT? It's all based on irrefutable scientific facts...not assumptions or guesses.
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you mean the assumption that the glowing bits in the grainy video are molten iron?

and the guess that the molten iron came from thermite?
 
28th Kingdom said:
I am trying to debate the point about the pouring molten metal from WTC 2 showing behavior that can only be explained with heat THAT IS far above anything that was possible on those floors. NIST agrees that the max temp on those floors was around 1000C, FOR A VERY GOOD REASON! NOTHING on those floors can BURN MUCH HOTTER THAN THAT..including the jet fuel - GET IT? It's all based on irrefutable scientific facts...not assumptions or guesses.
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You've never given facts, just your assertions, and imaginary thermite cutting devices that you can't provide any independent evidence of.

So it's not molten iron because as you keep saying the fire's not hot enough, and the thermite only exists in your limited imagination.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Well...if we CTers can scientifically prove that therma/ite was in the buildings (and we can) than yes...I think we can say that we KNOW it is an inside job. Does that make us co-conspirators?

I am trying to debate the point about the pouring molten metal from WTC 2 showing behavior that can only be explained with heat THAT IS far above anything that was possible on those floors. NIST agrees that the max temp on those floors was around 1000C, FOR A VERY GOOD REASON! NOTHING on those floors can BURN MUCH HOTTER THAN THAT..including the jet fuel - GET IT? It's all based on irrefutable scientific facts...not assumptions or guesses.
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If it's provable and scientific start emailing scientists and engineers. Persuade one of them to submit a paper to a peer-reviewed journal. At the very least, get a science journalist interested.

If it's not part of the scientific consensus, it ain't proven science.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Well...if we CTers can scientifically prove that therma/ite was in the buildings (and we can) than yes...I think we can say that we KNOW it is an inside job. Does that make us co-conspirators?
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Wrong, the only people who would know that it was Thermite are the people who installed it on the beams and lit the fuse. There is no way to tell from looking at photos and video what the composition of the molten metal was.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Seeing is believing - isn't that suppose to be the skeptic's motto or something?
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under certain circumstances perhaps, however a grainy video on youtube hardly counts as "seeing" and since there are multiple other explanations for (including aluminum, copper, or exploding electrical equipment) you cant assume its iron
 
And, just so all of you know...this bit about proving the molten metal pouring from WTC 2 can be proven to be therma/ite based upon it's behavior...is something I CAME up with. THAT'S MY OWN ANALYSIS. Have you ever heard it put this way before? SO PLEASE don't say I just take junk from CT websites...and paste it here. I reviewed all of the available data, and then I DREW my own conclusions. I use to side with the governments theory...but after using all of my wits and logic...I can't deny the truth. 9/11 IS AN INSIDE JOB.
 
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28th Kingdom said:
Seeing is believing - isn't that supposed to be the skeptic's motto or something?
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No. And you can't possibly tell whether something is molten iron just by looking at that video, you'll be telling us that the lava from Mount Doom at the end of Lord of the Rings was real, because it looked like lava.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Seeing is believing - isn't that suppose to be the skeptic's motto or something?
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What do you see here?

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To what is this little animal most closely related to?
 
28th Kingdom said:
And, just so all of you know...this bit about proving the molten metal pouring from WTC 2 can be proven to be therma/ite based upon it's behavior...is something I CAME up with. THAT'S MY OWN ANALYSIS. Have you ever heard it put this way before? SO PLEASE don't say I just take junk from CT websites...and paste it here. I reviewed all of the available info, and then I DREW my own conclusions. I use to side with the governments theory...but after using all of my wits and logic...I can't deny the truth. 9/11 IS AN INSIDE JOB.
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so then lets see your analysis, prove that its thermite
 
I know you all think Prof. Jones is a loon, but he claims that they have samples of this black gook seen on the column below:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg

And, he said after thorough analysis...all of the traces that should be there from a therma/ite reaction are THERE. Say what you want about Prof. Jones, but you can't deny his credentials.

Jones said they got the samples from memorial parks to 9/11 that have some of the scrap metal from the buildings.

EDIT: Why would workers cut (with a torch) that core column at a perfect angle instead of horizontally? I already explained why THEY would use therma/ite to cut the columns at an angle...what do you have?
 
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28th Kingdom said:
I know you all think Prof. Jones is a loon, but he claims that they have samples of this black gook seen on the column below:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg

And, he said after thorough analysis...all of the traces that should be there from a therma/ite reaction are THERE. Say what you want about Prof. Jones, but you can't deny his credentials.

Jones said they got the samples from memorial parks to 9/11 that have some of the scrap metal from the buildings.
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and how can you get thermite to cut that cleanly and at that angle?

EDIT: Why would workers cut (with a torch) that core column at a perfect angle instead of horizontally? I already explained why THEY would use therma/ite to cut the columns at an angle...what do you have?
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to make it fall in a certain direction (preferably away from the guy cutting it)
 
28th Kingdom said:
I know you all think Prof. Jones is a loon, but he claims that they have samples of this black gook seen on the column below:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2271/thermiteut7.jpg

And, he said after thorough analysis...all of the traces that should be there from a therma/ite reaction are THERE. Say what you want about Prof. Jones, but you can't deny his credentials.

Jones said they got the samples from memorial parks to 9/11 that have some of the scrap metal from the buildings.
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He's a physicist, involved in dodgy cold fusion research and suspended from teaching before being forced to retire early, because of the lack of validity of his 9/11 work. Damn right I deny his credentials. However, his credentials are irrelevant: until he publishes in a recognised peer-reviewed journal his evidence has not been assessed and must be regarded as dubious at best.
 
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