This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

[HyJinX]

Please..yall...stop referring to NIST...as the SCIENTIFIC WORLD! The NIST is government owned and operated...geez, just go with me on this..if the government did have involvement...do you really think they would just incriminate themselves by releasing a report that implied there were explosives in the buildings? Seriously now...

So the entire NIST organization is in on it? They're all liars and murderers now?

 

[28th Kingdom]

"2. you, and people like, you convince so many people in the US that it's an inside job that there's a spontaneous uprising against the evil government."

It's the 2nd American Revolution! Please, be a part of it. I am promising NO MORE INCOME TAXES! The people ultimately have the power...but ONLY if we can come together...and join forces...50% of the people fighting against the other half of the population only serves to completely disempower us all...because pushing against one another...gets us ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE. We must all band together for a common cause...a common purpose - in a common direction...and thrust our combined energies behind that... This isn't about which religion you believe in, or which political party you associate yourself with, or which race you're a part of...this is about FREEDOM and JUSTICE....and doing the RIGHT THING... for the weak... and those who can't do for themselves...and ultimately for the victims of 9/11 - please, if anything...just remember this one thing...

UNITED WE STAND...and DIVIDED...

 

[boloboffin]

"2. you, and people like, you convince so many people in the US that it's an inside job that there's a spontaneous uprising against the evil government."

It's the 2nd American Revolution! Please, be a part of it. I am promising NO MORE INCOME TAXES! The people ultimately have the power...but ONLY if we can come together...and join forces...50% of the people fighting against the other half of the population only serves to completely disempower us all...because pushing against one another...gets us ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE. We must all band together for a common cause...a common purpose - in a common direction...and thrust our combined energies behind that... This isn't about which religion you believe in, or which political party you associate yourself with, or which race you're a part of...this is about FREEDOM and JUSTICE....and doing the RIGHT THING... for the weak... and those who can't do for themselves...and ultimately for the victims of 9/11 - please, if anything...just remember this one thing...

UNITED WE STAND...and DIVIDED...

NO MORE INCOME TAXES??????

Damn Bush for planning 9/11! No plane, no plane!!

Jesus, get a grip. You may be at the most jingo-resistant site on the internet.

 

[28th Kingdom]

How do we even know who OBL really is? IN the early 80's the US government referred to him and the Taliban as FREEDOM FIGHTERS...hell, even armed them and trained them to fight. How do you go from a freedom fighter to the world's most notorious terrorist?

It would seem to me that the government and/or media...have the ability to completely paint someone/anyone in the light they seem fit...and that light would be...whatever serves their agenda.

 

[Kent1]

So the entire NIST organization is in on it? They're all liars and murderers now?

We have a couple pages at debunking911 on the yellow liquid.
The yellow is aluminum with other materical. Likely Oxidized.
Too much liquid coming out of that side to be thermite. Also, thermite seems more reactive. We also take some fun shots a Prof. Jones.

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

The pages need a bit of updating.
Also I don't know if I completely support Mark Ferrans work although I find it interesting.

Cheers

 

[The Almond]

Please..yall...stop referring to NIST...as the SCIENTIFIC WORLD! The NIST is government owned and operated...geez, just go with me on this..if the government did have involvement...do you really think they would just incriminate themselves by releasing a report that implied there were explosives in the buildings? Seriously now...

Poisoning the well. Just because NIST is government sponsored, that does not mean that:
1) NIST Scientists will lie or fabricate evidence to support a government plot.
2) NIST scientists are held to any lower standard for scientific inquiry than any other member of the scientific community.

Go with me on this, because I find it incredibly offensive that you've chosen to demonize NIST in this way. Why on Earth would the NIST scientists lie and fabricate evidence to support a government collapse theory that they themselves had nothing to do with? Have they all been paid off? How much? What motivation do any of them have to cover up the deaths of 3000 fellow citizens?

NIST scientists represent a wide variety of physicists, chemists, engineers, technicians and computer scientists. In recent years, the physics department at NIST has had 2 Nobel laureates, most recently Jan Olek for the 2005 prize. The NIST NCSTAR1 report also consulted with hundreds of different people including professional engineers, contractors, independent research and the Research Board of Canada. The NIST NCSTAR 1 report and all of the subsequent reports are the result of an enormous, unprecedented collaboration within the scientific community that rivals NASA's moon landing in both complexity and breadth of scientific expertise. This was not just a bunch of NIST scientists getting together and deciding on a theory. They've used evidence, reported that evidence and subjected it to scientific and lay-person scrutiny at every step along the way.

Fact is...the government decided to DESTROY KEY EVIDENCE AT ONE OF THE LARGEST CRIME SCENES IN THE HISTORY OF THE US! DESTROYING evidence is a CRIME NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT!

Evidence of what? NIST has a warehouse full of evidence. What does that mean? Did the government destroy all of the evidence that would prove controlled demolition and keep all of the evidence that supported self-initiated collapse?

What's the reason the government gave as to why they destroyed the evidence? FOR NATIONAL SECURITY PURPOSES. That's the excuse they always hide behind...regardless, if it makes absolutely NO SENSE! Are you starting to see it now?

Who said this?

The government TOLD US Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were responsible...

Actually, OBL and his cronies released a video essentially taking credit for the attack. OBL declared his intention to destroy and commit terrorist attacks against the US in 1998. Why should we assume that he never acted on that threat?

SO WHY THEN...do we bomb Afghanistan for two weeks...

Because Osama was there.

and then invade IRAQ before CATCHING THE CRIMINALS WHO ATTACKED US?

What an excellent point! If the USG wanted an excuse to attack Iraq, they should have made the fake hijackers Iraqi citizens, right? I mean, Saudis are so inconvenient because they were our friends for a while and they helped us out in the Persian Gulf war. Actually, the hijackers should have been Iraqi, Afghani and North Korean citizens. Talk about a smoking gun!

 

[Z]

"2. you, and people like, you convince so many people in the US that it's an inside job that there's a spontaneous uprising against the evil government."

It's the 2nd American Revolution! Please, be a part of it. I am promising NO MORE INCOME TAXES! The people ultimately have the power...but ONLY if we can come together...and join forces...50% of the people fighting against the other half of the population only serves to completely disempower us all...because pushing against one another...gets us ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE. We must all band together for a common cause...a common purpose - in a common direction...and thrust our combined energies behind that... This isn't about which religion you believe in, or which political party you associate yourself with, or which race you're a part of...this is about FREEDOM and JUSTICE....and doing the RIGHT THING... for the weak... and those who can't do for themselves...and ultimately for the victims of 9/11 - please, if anything...just remember this one thing...

UNITED WE STAND...and DIVIDED...

Given the vast ignorance, sheer stupidity, and pig-headed stubbornness of the CT side, combined with the vast factioning within the CT side... I'll stick with the united non-CT side. At least they're educated and well-informed, can read for themselves, and don't rely on crappy video or poorly-made websites for information that's been debunked a hundred times.

From where I sit, the Troofer element consist largely of semi-educated or completely uneducated special ed cases, who cannot be shown any info that runs contrary to their position without causing them to undergo a variety of dissociative traits. Most have little to no integrity, making up evidence as they go along; NONE of them have even a lick of scientific awareness and knowledge. They are parrots, children mimicking the mistakes and errors of their juvenile elders.

I admit, America isn't much better off than this right now; but a 'revolution' with morons like 28 IQ and Chris and Einsteen in charge would be like having the South win the Civil War.

And I don't have a sister to marry. So count me out.

 

[Architect]

Well...if you claim my post has errors...why aren't you correcting my mistakes...instead of asking me for more information to prove these things, which you already know are errors, are true? How can I prove an error to be true? Where is the logic, here?

I find this especially rich given your complete avoidance of the technical questions and papers I put to you.

Still waiting, though. And as promised I will keep dogging you on all these inncauracies. Remember, a ruptured quadricep tendon can take 6 weeks to heal....

 

[stateofgrace]

Do you see the effect that this New Pearl Harbor has had on the psyche of Americans? THEY STOPPED THINKING...their common logic and reason have been completely blocked by FEAR! THEY NEVER QUESTION THE GOVERNMENTS ACTIONS NOW....regardless of how absurd they are....why? Because they are our protectors. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Um...the call is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!

They didn´t frighten you though did they ? Nobody fools you.

Now you just accuse everybody you can of being involved in mass murder.

 

[babazaroni]

How do we even know who OBL really is? IN the early 80's the US government referred to him and the Taliban as FREEDOM FIGHTERS...hell, even armed them and trained them to fight. How do you go from a freedom fighter to the world's most notorious terrorist?

Yes, that is what happens when you interfere in other countries business to promote your own agendas.

We've been bitten many times by our interferance.

Doesn't prove a 9/11 conspiracy though.

 

[uk_dave]

awww come on now, without NIST being a shill for the government these parochial paranoid woowoos would have nothing to cling to.

They want their fema death camps, though they can't fantasise far enough to imagine what such an act would do to foreign investment in the US because the world outside the US DOESN'T exist.

So they can disregard all the media and professional organisations which would be pouncing all over the NIST report should it be considered compromised.

But they don't. Because it isn't compromised after all. Only the narrow minded americocentric truly believe that their (mortgaged to the hilt) all powerful government could pull off and hide a conspiracy.

little americas the lot of them

 

[maccy]

What an excellent point! If the USG wanted an excuse to attack Iraq, they should have made the fake hijackers Iraqi citizens, right? I mean, Saudis are so inconvenient because they were our friends for a while and they helped us out in the Persian Gulf war. Actually, the hijackers should have been Iraqi, Afghani and North Korean citizens. Talk about a smoking gun!

Actually, it should have been Iraqi, Iranian and North Korean citizens, probably in separate plots to make it more convincing and it would have been better if it had involved plutonium smuggling, dirty bombs or chemical weapons. Makes no sense to frame Afghanistan, the US gets nothing but trouble from invading it.

Afghanistan is only a threat if Osama Bin Laden is operating from there. And is wasn't PNAC who decided that OBL was a threat it was the Clinton government.

 

[28th Kingdom]

Hey guys...everything you will ever need to wake up to the truth of 9/11 is contained on the last 6 pages of this thread starting from this post on page 14:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2171782#post2171782

I think I've done enough to clearly illustrate the truth. I'm tired now...and this is obviously a never-ending circle of questions...and, since I have already presented at least two unmistakable smoking guns...I think I should be allowed to rest my case.

Good luck yall...seriously, I hope some of you open up and let the truth in...

Peace.

 

[Horatius]

The therma/ite was probably just placed on one column...that was located probably a block or so just north from the WTC 2 Tower. Of course, I'm just guessing here...but according to my calculations...the therma/ite definitely had to be used at a great distance...in order to preserve the fundamental components structure mass at qualitative intervals ... or something to that effect.

Okay, did someone hack your account? Because this just doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, even less than all you other stuff....

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Hey guys...everything you will ever need to wake up to the truth of 9/11 is contained on the last 6 pages of this thread starting from this post on page 14:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2171782#post2171782

I think I've done enough to clearly illustrate the truth. I'm tired now...and this is obviously a never-ending circle of questions...and, since I have already presented at least two unmistakable smoking guns...I think I should be allowed to rest my case.

Good luck yall...seriously, I hope some of you open up and let the truth in...

Peace.

Good. Rest your case, and don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

 

[Z]

Hey guys...everything you will ever need to wake up to the truth of 9/11 is contained on the last 6 pages of this thread starting from this post on page 14:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2171782#post2171782

I think I've done enough to clearly illustrate the truth. I'm tired now...and this is obviously a never-ending circle of questions...and, since I have already presented at least two unmistakable smoking guns...I think I should be allowed to rest my case.

Good luck yall...seriously, I hope some of you open up and let the truth in...

Peace.

Translation: There's no way in heck I can answer the questions put to me and not reveal myself for a total idiot [too late...?], so I'm running away now and pretending I won this debate.

I'll be back.

 

[uk_dave]

Hey guys...everything you will ever need to wake up to the truth of 9/11 is contained on the last 6 pages of this thread starting from this post on page 14:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2171782#post2171782

I think I've done enough to clearly illustrate the truth. I'm tired now...and this is obviously a never-ending circle of questions...and, since I have already presented at least two unmistakable smoking guns...I think I should be allowed to rest my case.

Good luck yall...seriously, I hope some of you open up and let the truth in...

Peace.

awwwwwww ok

you rest your case on your head.... and hope it doesn't implode from the weight

 

[Alt+F4]

Why on Earth would the NIST scientists lie and fabricate evidence to support a government collapse theory that they themselves had nothing to do with? Have they all been paid off? How much? What motivation do any of them have to cover up the deaths of 3000 fellow citizens?

And what about all the non-government scientists, worldwide, that agreed with the NIST's results?

So if it's so obvious that the NIST is "in on it" why doesn't the mainstream media report it? Oh, I guess they are "in on it" as well

 

[Architect]

I think I should be allowed to rest my case.

Well if you want to use a courtroom analogy, that means you're the prosecution and now us (the defence) get to cross-examine YOU and present our case.

Me first:

Can I have your response to the detailed Sheffield and Edinburgh University papers confirming (contrary to your assertion) that the fire mechanism is a viable form of collapse.

 

[Skibum]

awwwwwww ok

you rest your case on your head.... and hope it doesn't implode from the weight

I was thinking something similar only involving his 2 smoking guns.