Fire, steel, and 911.

[defaultdotxbe]

Hehe....sorry bud, but I don't think it's gonna happen tonight....because I will need everyone on record and agreeing on the same cause of the collapses...before my closing argument will be electrifying. Hopefully tomorrow it will happen.

define "everyone"

there are 68 people viewing the conspiracy theory forum

there are currently 10,333 members of this forum

what about unregistered readers?

what about people that register between now and tomorrow?

how will "everyone" agree to one thing?

why is this even necessary for you to present your evidence?

 

[28th Kingdom]

when the collapse reaches floor 20 or 30 or 40" is most of the material from floors 60 to 40 (or 30 or 20). It didn't just teleport to the ground, you know.

What material? Please explain that...because all I see are floors exploding outward (NOT falling downward) into dust...are you claiming a pancake collapse? Because, actually what you are watching is a piece of magic. The entire collapse does NOT include two whole parts i.e. upper mass bearing down on lower mass....at a certain point - what you have is the upper most point of the crumbling structure exploding downward with absolutely nothing above it...just like real magic.

 

[beachnut]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5kF9ldtgrc

Watch that vid at 4:40 and focus on the front left hand corner...you tell me, is it at all possible that planted explosives are causing that?

Now continue to watch that same video until you see the part where Matt Lauer from the Today show narrates over the collapse of the first tower. (this is the same building collapse as the 4:40 footage) notice how all of those key top floors are NOT falling straight down onto the lower floors...but are actually tilting over and falling AWAY from the lower floors. A simple lesson in inertia will let you know that those upper floors will only continue to move in that direction i.e. to the side or away - from the lower floors...yet EVERY SINGLE lower floor...all 60+ of them fully collapse all the way down...so what is bearing down from above when the collapse reaches floor 20 or 30 or 40 - certainly not those upper floors which were bailing to the side just seconds after the collapse began.

This isn't even the point I'm gonna hit yall with....but I thought I would give you that little nugget to chew on in the meantime.

No, it is not an explosive! The fire would have cooked them off earlier!

Who said the building stopped tipping, did you watch it all the way down?

The building fell on that side; I wonder how the other side was doing holding it from tilting, when did the other side fail, they were hooked all together, why would the other side not stop the tilting until it failed too?

How can you make up stuff with out years of research?

Your video shows the building destroying itself, explosion would push stuff out everywhere and would make an explosion noise! I just see the building falling on itself, no pops, no RDX, no explosion except the over 50,000 tons of stuff falling and releasing the 248 tons of TNT energy stored due to gravity; GRAVITY!

248 tons in each tower stored from gravity, energy released when falling.

Like 1,000 500 pound bombs the building itself is destroy itself, does it look like 1,000 500 pound bombs going off, cause the energy is being released and it has 248 TONS of TNT stored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

or make it 500 1000 pound bombs in each tower stored PE, released as KE

wow, you need some physics! go talk to a teacher and ask them.

 

[Horatius]

Hehe....sorry bud, but I don't think it's gonna happen tonight....because I will need everyone on record and agreeing on the same cause of the collapses...before my closing argument will be electrifying. Hopefully tomorrow it will happen.

Another proof-tease from a twoofer. Colour me surprised.

If you had anything "electrifying", why didn't you start with that in your "thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!"?

I'll just assume it's another piece of already-debunked CT crap that for some reason you think we haven't seen yet. Prove me wrong*.




*This is like a charm. It always causes him to not prove it, I swear! Million bucks, here I come!

 

[defaultdotxbe]

What material? Please explain that...because all I see are floors exploding outward (NOT falling downward) into dust

so you are saying that 100% of the volume of the towers was ejected outside of the footprint?

this is the exact opposite of what CTers have been claiming for years, so maybe this is new crap, lol

 

[Karl Johannes]

i think he has nothing
(so maybe he will try and prove me wrong

 

[beachnut]

What material? Please explain that...because all I see are floors exploding outward (NOT falling downward) into dust...are you claiming a pancake collapse? Because, actually what you are watching is a piece of magic. The entire collapse does NOT include two whole parts i.e. upper mass bearing down on lower mass....at a certain point - what you have is the upper most point of the crumbling structure exploding downward with absolutely nothing above it...just like real magic.

Save your time and take a physics course please.

 

[Horatius]

What material? Please explain that...because all I see are floors exploding outward (NOT falling downward) into dust...are you claiming a pancake collapse? Because, actually what you are watching is a piece of magic. The entire collapse does NOT include two whole parts i.e. upper mass bearing down on lower mass....at a certain point - what you have is the upper most point of the crumbling structure exploding downward with absolutely nothing above it...just like real magic.

Everybody sing along with me now!

Next Verse, same as the First!

Bored now.

 

[Karl Johannes]

cool, we could just turn this into a thread of cat photos, thats a cool kitty, until he gives us something substantial, why not?

 

[28th Kingdom]

OK, I'm gonna burst, or pass out, if you don't post soon, 28K.

Pride be damned, this is me, begging....

Please post your revelation! I shan't sleep tonight if you don't! I'm like a kid at Christmas right now, and you're my Santa Claus...

Awww, man - that's so cute. Now, yer making me feel bad. Trust me, it's not gonna have the same power...unless I set it up properly. Get some rest...and tomorrow we will have our conclusion.

Happy Holidays.

 

[Alt+F4]

I will need everyone on record and agreeing on the same cause of the collapses.

I'm sure that's what you want. I'm also sure you won't answer any of my questions in post #550.

I don't know where you live 28th but I live in a democracy, you should visit us sometime. Until then be glad that you don't live in a city where Islamic terrorists have killed thousands, it's quite sad and depressing...still. Keep believing that they don't exist and won't ever attack where you live, I'm sure it makes you sleep better at night.

 

[Karl Johannes]

now im excited 28, finally we will have some real evidence to argue over, oh boy its a new dawn for the loosers!

 

[beachnut]

more dolt video tomorrow

hurry back

and see videos from

This video is hosted by Halifaxion, so he can expose the criminals behind 9/11, like a NAZI brown-shirt go get-em guy, he is showing everyone how dumb some people are! Halifazion, pushing tripe for the lemmings of 9/11 not so truthful movement of zombies and dolts marching all thinking the party line, without publishing a darn thing! March on liars of 9/11 misleading information guys! March on far away from the rational into history of those before you, flat earth peoples, et al!

 

[volatile]

now im excited 28, finally we will have some real evidence to argue over, oh boy its a new dawn for the loosers!

Suh-weeet.

All these YouTube videos were really getting stale. I can't wait for this either. I might even stay up.

 

[stateofgrace]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5kF9ldtgrc

Watch that vid at 4:40 and focus on the front left hand corner...you tell me, is it at all possible that planted explosives are causing that?

Now continue to watch that same video until you see the part where Matt Lauer from the Today show narrates over the collapse of the first tower. (this is the same building collapse as the 4:40 footage) notice how all of those key top floors are NOT falling straight down onto the lower floors...but are actually tilting over and falling AWAY from the lower floors. A simple lesson in inertia will let you know that those upper floors will only continue to move in that direction i.e. to the side or away - from the lower floors...yet EVERY SINGLE lower floor...all 60+ of them fully collapse all the way down...so what is bearing down from above when the collapse reaches floor 20 or 30 or 40 - certainly not those upper floors which were bailing to the side just seconds after the collapse began.

This isn't even the point I'm gonna hit yall with....but I thought I would give you that little nugget to chew on in the meantime.

You have no point, my friend because like the rest of the you cters you simply have got no idea how these towers were constructed.

You cannot grasp that the cores and the external superstructure took the weight of the floors.

You cannot grasp that the floors braced the core and the external superstructure together.

You cannot grasp that the floor spaces did not hold up the other floors.

You cannot grasp that once a massive dynamic weight is dropped on the floors spaces; there is absolutely nothing that will stop it.

You cannot grasp that the floors will simply fall way from the core under this massive onslaught.

You cannot grasp that the superstructure will simply fall away once the floors that braced them to the core as gone.

You cannot grasp that the core will not stand without the floors which in turn braced it to the external superstructure.

you cannot grasp that the external super structure was irreversibly damaged by the impact of the planes.

You cannot grasp that the internal supports were badly damaged by the planes.

You cannot grasp the static weight above the damaged area was constant.

You cannot grasp that this constant weight had to redistribute onto the remaining supports.

You cannot grasp that the redistribution was not even.

You cannot grasp that the uneven redistribution of the static weight would cause further load bearing supports to fail.

You cannot grasp that the fire did not melt the remaining supports.

You cannot grasp that the fire accelerated the redistribution of the static load.

You cannot grasp that the uneven redistribution of the static load, aided by the fires would eventually lead to a complete failure of the remaining supports.

You cannot grasp that once a massive static weight becomes dynamic and falls on floors that was never designed to take this dynamic weight they will simply collapse.

You cannot grasp that the collapse of the internal floors is not captured on video.

You cannot grasp that your you tube videos show the external superstructure falling away after the floors have collapsed under the onslaught from the massive dynamic weight.

You cannot grasp much at all.

Take some physics lessons, youtube.

 

[28th Kingdom]

28K:

The WTCs were brought down via a combination of the following:

1. Severing of many of the exterior and interior Steel Columns via the plane impacts.

2. Removal of a majority of the "spray on" fireproofing from the steel columns and other steel structures.

3. Fires initiated by Jet fuel, then superheated via other contents within the skyscapers including office furniture, carpets, office equipment...the list goes on. These fires covered 8-10 floors each.

The above factors worked in combination to weaken the floors and the steel columns. the floors sunk, causing inbowing of the remaining steel columns. These steel columns were already bearing more load than they were intended to and tested for. This eventually lead to the collapse of several floors near/within the impact zone. Once Collapse was initiated, the overwhelming dynamic load of the many floors above the impact zones, caused a quick and complete collapse of the entire buildings.

TAM

Everyone who is actively involved in this thread...must write out a summary of their theory just like TAM has so eloquently done here...before I will present my closing statements.

Thanks.

 

[Skibum]

No, I will not jump through hoops just to continue to read your garbage. I guess we can close this thread now since "everyone" will not be bending over backwards to boost your ego.

Basically G.F.Y.

 

[stateofgrace]

Everyone who is actively involved in this thread needs...must write out a summary of their theory just like TAM has so eloquently done here...before I will present my closing statements.

Thanks.

Must ?

Who do you think you are ?

Edited in at a later date................Please behave.

 

[beachnut]

Everyone who is actively involved in this thread needs...must write out a summary of their theory just like TAM has so eloquently done here...before I will present my closing statements.

Thanks.

good,

plane hits building, building burns, building falls

If you have physics and an engineering degree, or just plain read a lot, you can fill in the blanks.

You have never said anything except your explosive theory.

So we expect next your hard evidence of your explosive theory.


your explosive theory.

your explosive theory.

your explosive theory.

When will we see the hard evidence? (never, never, never)

those are the clues for you, repeated for your learning disability if you have one!

 

[beachnut]

No, I will not jump through hoops just to continue to read your garbage. I guess we can close this thread now since "everyone" will not be bending over backwards to boost your ego.

Basically G.F.Y.

Can I change my answer to this?