This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

28th Kingdom said:
One other thing...and - my hand to god. This is the first thread where I have ever discussed 9/11 being an inside job. That's just the honest truth, whether you want to believe it or not. Actually, I don't recall ever discussing 9/11 in any form on any forum. I know you just have to take my word for that...but it's the truth. I have no reason to lie about that...and yes, now that I think about it...it's kinda surprising to me as well, but I really haven't even thought about 9/11 that much until the last couple of years, when I started looking through all the evidence on the internet.
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Have you ever called the fbi's New York office from Sault Ste. Marie?
 
28th Kingdom said:
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13469

I will look up the seismographs for you. One sec, sir.
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It is true, most american beat us official story guys up everyday.

I have to hide my real identity.

I have to keep my views secret or they may kill me and my cats.

I have to hide my computer and disk drive from the truthers who go around killing us.

We are trying to keep the official story alive, but we are failing.

We have facts the truth movement has beam weapons, billiard balls, silent explosives (we tried to keep the secret silent RDX a secret), remote controlled planes, missiles, aircraft shoot downs, and Dr Jones, Judy Wood, Fetzer, and all the experts who are nuts.

How can we win?
 
kookbreaker said:
Kader Toy Factory.

The end.
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You never responded to this an example of a steel frame building collapsing do to fire.
http://www.ilo.org/encyclopedia/?doc&nd=857100058&nh=0&ssect=1


Probably the most notable difference between the Triangle and Kader fires is the effect they had on the structural integrity of the buildings involved. Even though the Triangle fire gutted the top three floors of the ten-storey factory building, the building remained structurally intact. The Kader buildings, on the other hand, collapsed relatively early in the fire because their structural steel supports lacked the fireproofing that would have allowed them to maintain their strength when exposed to high temperatures. A post-fire review of the debris at the Kader site showed no indication that any of the steel members had been fireproofed
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You also never responded to what is the reason for fire codes requiring fireproofing of steel if it was unheard of for steel to weaken and collapse in a building fire.

So it appears your first question has been answered yes by the facts
Question 1: Is it possible to prove whether or not (irrefutably) that in the history of the world...a steel-structured building has collapsed as a direct result of a fire? I know we've all heard that this has never happened before 9/11, but is it possible to prove that statement true or false - without a shadow of doubt? And if we can prove whether or not that statement is true, than please give your answer - yay or nay, and present your evidence.
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28th Kingdom said:
. And the reason they probably haven't presented any actual hard evidence (I'm not talking about an "expert's" commentary or analysis) I'm talking about actual evidence you could present in a court of law that PROVES unequivocally, that demolitions we're NOT used on the WTC buildings
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I am not going to answer your stupid game but I will ask you one question. Why should we (meaning us untruthers) provide evidence backing the official story or a story where there isn't a CD? It is you woowoos that have to prove that and it has been five long years and you haven't. Have any idea why? It wasn't a CD and as you can see with the Fetzer, Jones, Wood, Ryan orgy scary picture), breakup is something you woowoos better get used to.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the posts...but really, I want to try and keep this thread as succinct as possible. Please just try to answer the questions, and I PROMISE this will get somewhere...and that is to the undeniable truth. I just found this forum today...and my hand to god - this is the first time I have ever posted on this board. Also, I will never sink to a name-calling match - even if others choose to - because I'm here to unite NOT divide. Remember, United we Stand...
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You think that we here at JREF are united with you?!?!?!

:bs:
 
A good post from another thread.

zaayrdragon said:
I wanted to talk about structural collapse for a moment, and this seemed a good place to do it.

Several years ago, one of the barracks on Fort Bragg, NC, near where I lived, was declared unsafe, and evacuated. Safety inspectors came because of a complaint of cracks in a wall, and a mirror shattering for no known reason, and concrete debris in the basement.

As it turns out, one of the concrete support beams in the basement had developed fractures. The inspectors said it can happen with concrete if, for some reason, the concrete sets improperly. If there had been any artillery firing near the main base area on one of the days during construction, vibrations could have caused minute cracks to begin forming, and load stress would have increased those cracks.

Under normal circumstances, a single cracking support column wouldn't have been a problem. But the barracks in question had been build a long time ago, when it was one soldier to a room, with a bed and wall locker, no air conditioning, etc. Since then, they estimate that the live load had more than quadrupled - four man rooms, much furniture, tons of personal belongings, and air conditioning units.

The building stood almost a week after evacuation, as the engineer slated to tear it down were out of the state. Then, one evening, it just fell down. Straight down, in an even collapse.

A lot of the guys asked the same exact questions the CTists do here. The answer was simply that, once a column fails to be able to support its load, it increases stress on surrounding columns. In the case of a building where loads were already exceeded - like this one - many of those columns were damaged as well, though not visibly. They, too, were unable to handle the sudden stress, and failed, transferring even more load to neighboring columns.

This transferral takes seconds.

The result is total structural failure.

The same thing happened in a poorly designed bank years ago - I saw it on a documentary on Discover Channel. The building hadn't properly accounted for dead load, and eventually underwent spontaneous structural failure due to a single column cracking.

In this regard, steel is no different. When steel is weakened by fire to half its strength - a temperature of merely 600 degrees - it loses its ability to bear its assigned load, and that load transfers to other supports. If enough supports fail, all of them will fail; meaning that the building will go from standing to not standing, just like that. No slow sag, no gentle lean, no domino-effect collapses.

Just wanted to talk... don't mind me.
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Ahhhhh the pleasure of being in a different time zone to the majority of you here :D
 
28th Kingdom said:
Sir,

Well, actually...I originally thought terrorists we're responsible for the attacks. But, once presented with the overwhelming and irrefutable evidence of the events...I simply cannot deny the truth. The truth is the truth...whether or not it's a painful truth...it is still the truth...and I acknowledge it as such.

Have you ever heard of Operation Northwoods? That is documented proof of America's willingness to use false flag tactics against it's own people in order to build support for a war against another country.

What adds up about the events surrounding 9/11? Does anything? Does any of this country's actions after the fact make sense? Did we go drop a couple bombs on Japan after Pearl Habor, and then go evade Brazil?

If the government so clearly told us who perpetrated the attacks i.e. Bin Laden, than why did we just go after him for a short while...than send all of our attention to Iraq? Bush has been video taped saying, that one of the hardest parts of his job is connecting Iraq to the war on terror. I mean, the guy actually said that on tape. But, I thought we invaded Iraq, because Saddam had ties to Bin Laden and Al Qeada?

Listen, nothing makes sense about how the government has handled 9/11 or the aftermath. NOTHING! Plus all of the physical evidence points to controlled demolitions...we know about Operation Northwoods...that as a FACT, the government would have tried this very same thing i.e. false flag on the American people - if it were not for Kennedy nixing it at the last moment.

In the court of law....we've got motive, we've got opportunity, we've got all the physical evidence i.e. video footage, audio recordings - insider trading, the first privatized ownership of the WTC in it's history finalized just months before the attacks...and insured against terrorist attacks etc.

Um, according to the government...a commercial airliner...flew into the Pentagon. Yep, the most well protected building in the world. And, guess what...our military just let a huge plane fly into it. I mean...what happened to NORAD?

I think I'm starting to see how some might not believe these theories...the evidence is utterly blinding.
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Anybody else laughing? I mean get at least one fact right.
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28th Kingdom said:
One other thing...and - my hand to god. This is the first thread where I have ever discussed 9/11 being an inside job.
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If true, maybe there's hope for you yet.

28th Kingdom said:
That's just the honest truth, whether you want to believe it or not. Actually, I don't recall ever discussing 9/11 in any form on any forum. I know you just have to take my word for that...but it's the truth. I have no reason to lie about that...and yes, now that I think about it...it's kinda surprising to me as well, but I really haven't even thought about 9/11 that much until the last couple of years, when I started looking through all the evidence on the internet.
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How about looking at some of the evidence in reputable scientific, journalistic, or government sources, as opposed to YouTube videos?

But naw, I guess all scientists, journalists, and government employees are in on the conspiracy and part of the NWO. Oops, my bad.
 
"it looked like a controlled demolition"

well, you know what? the sun looks like it revolves around the earth. but we all know it doesnt.

true controlled demolitions, fall completaly into their footprint and do not damage neighboring structures. the wtc collapses, pulverized neighboring structures.

true controlled demolotions, have explosives on almost every floor. we see "squibs" in the wtc towers...on maybe 6 floors.

maybe the 9-11 denial folks should stop calling it a "controlled" demolition. there was nothing "controlled" about it. thats unless they enjoy setting up their own straw men for even amatuers to easily tear apart.
 
Good Goddess Eris, this thread exploded!

And the silly whackjob is still at it?

Dude, read the other threads. Your crap is so old, its grandkids are wearing Depends.
 
The Cters (courtesy of dylan avery) started out with the firm belief that tall steel structures could not be brought down by the imapct damage of aircraft and the subsequent fires.

They cling to that belief now, in the face of evidence that (contrary to their 'common sense' view of the world steel is vulnerable to ordinary fueled fires and buildings are actually more fragile than they might want to believe) and without the ability to explain how CD could be implemented within these burning, damaged buildings.

Very slowly, inch by inch they move away from the "Must have been complete CD" hypothesis and towards a kinda CD Lite version of "Well, the buildings were damaged and were on fire so it only needed a small amount of explosives to finish the job and the result wasn't really controlled but they just wanted to bring the buildings down blah blah blah"

As they continue to move in that direction I predict that it will soon become "Well they crashed passeneger aircraft into the towers at high speed and the damage and fires brought them down, causing significant witnessed damage to wtc7 which also fell, but it was all planned and executed by the government.....and maybe the planes had explosives on board just in case"

Then it will boil down to an arguement about whether it was terrorist hijackers or government evil do'ers and then, when they run out of questions and have no more whacky theories we can all go back to our families who will, by this time, have been released from captivity by the mighty owl and we can sleep sound in our beds once more.... though dreading that midnight telephone call and the hooting of the big fella as we are recalled to fight the fight against the advocates of the anthropogenic global warming theory.

Such is the life of a mid-level NWO agent. Just ask killtown. :D
 
28th Kingdom said:
Sir,
What adds up about the events surrounding 9/11? Does anything? Does any of this country's actions after the fact make sense? Did we go drop a couple bombs on Japan after Pearl Habor, and then go evade Brazil?
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Oh but the history of the USA evading Brazil is well-documented. I think it started when we discovered they had a nut named after their whole friggin' country! Do we have American nuts? Hmm? (Okay I'm not trying to be a wiseacre I mean an actual "nut" that has to be cracked. Again, no pun intended on "cracked". Oh dear).

So we started evading them based on Brazil nuts. Then we kept thinking that Rio was the capital when it's actually Brasilia and that tends to bring party conversations to a dead stop. Everyone goes home, nobody gets lucky. Darned right we evaded them.

Then this energy bit. We Yanks used to be leaders of innovation, ya know? American know-how. Yankee ingenuity. USA Today. So they in Brazil are using these alternative car fuels and we don't like it One Bit. That's a big reason for evasion.

(Wait a minute)

Okay I'm back. I reread your post and maybe you meant - gosh am I embarrassed - INvade Brazil?

Never mind.
 
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