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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

28th Kingdom said:
They had ZERO foreknowledge of the attacks...yet, they knew all 19 hijackers, and that Osama Bin Laden was behind it (DAY OF) without even investigating the scene.
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There was, as far as I know, no foreknowledge they could act upon.
The names of the 19 hijackers were released after two days (I think), implying that the FBI was able to read the 4 flight manifests and cross-check the names with lists of people associated in some way with Al Qaeda. Nothing very amazing about that.
 
28th Kingdom said:
They had ZERO foreknowledge of the attacks...yet, they knew all 19 hijackers, and that Osama Bin Laden was behind it (DAY OF) without even investigating the scene. Um, you wanna talk about firsts...convicting criminals in less than a day without a shred of physical evidence...that's a wow moment right there. You'd think a government this savvy, would stop a commercial airliner from plowing into the Pentagon...considering we have the best defense system in the world.
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Have you any proof that the terrorists accused of the attack did not exist?

If they did exist, have their families come forward with demands to clear their names?

If their families have come forward with those demands, where are those men the US govt accuse of the attack? Do the families have a rational explanation for why they are not walking around as we speak?

The victims of 9/11 were identified by dna. This enabled the authorities to seperate out those remains which were not claimed by families whose relatives were ruled out of the investigation as being the terrorists.

That leaves remains of people who have been identified by cctv and a paper trail as being who the authorities say they are.

If the families of those accused have made no representations to have their dna compared to the remains in order to exclude their missing family members from the investigation, it's reasonable to conclude that the named terrorists have been accurately identified.

If no one in the terrorists country of origin has made any rational claim that these people did not exist, then it is also reasonable to conclude that the correct people have been identified.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Of course, I am working under the false presumption that every one here has been privy to the same evidence that I have. See, I just assume everyone has seen all the video, and audio footage.
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I'm a NYCer and my brother-in-law was FDNY and was there. You're taking your information from conspriacy websites, I'm taking it from a family member.
 
The fact that so many of you believe the official story so wholeheartedly... truly blows me away.
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28th, if you spend some time at this forum, you'll find that the majority of people here are critically-thinking skeptics, and don't assume that anything "official" is true, or that authorities are automatically right. Sometimes, though, "official stories" are right, or at least the best view we have based on the available evidence.

Also, as has been pointed out, you can't prove a negative (that the towers weren't demolished by conspirators). What will convince people here is credible positive evidence. Show us the evidence that the towers were demolished by something other than the planes. But it must be credible, solid evidence.
 
28th Kingdom said:
I had a very tight and well-thought out plan,
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If everyone would have simply answered questions...than, I could have taken you there.
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And your "well-thought out plan" involved us accepting uncritically a large number of unsupported and already debunked assertions. In poker, that's known as stacking the deck, and is generally frowned upon.

Again, if you truly wish an honest discussion, try starting one that doesn't ask us to believe everything already.



28th Kingdom said:
And, please ignore the spiritual talk from me...everyone seemed to be hinting at that...so I just threw that stuff in. As stated in my opening post...I want to reveal the truth via hard evidence and facts, NOT by virtue of faith-based leaping taking.
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See? Here you go again, making things up. Who, other than you, started "hinting" at anything "spiritual"? It's a safe bet that a bunch of nasty old skeptics wouldn't start such talk.
 
Firestone said:
There was, as far as I know, no foreknowledge they could act upon.
The names of the 19 hijackers were released after two days (I think), implying that the FBI was able to read the 4 flight manifests and cross-check the names with lists of people associated in some way with Al Qaeda. Nothing very amazing about that.
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plus the radio transmissions from the "pilot" hijacker on 93, given the heavy middle eastern accent its not to difficult to pick a name off the manifest, then we see 5 other middle eastern men in first class on the other flights, doesnt take a rocket scientist dont you think?

cross reference the names against known terrorists, shows a few links to OBL, now we have our prime suspect
 
If everyone would have simply answered questions...than, I could have taken you there.
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Would you mind sharing the details of the plan? To save yourself and everyone else time, instead of having a plan involving questions and answers and the avoidance of "over-analyzing" etc, why not just concisely spell out the most compelling evidence you have.
 
I don't know why I bothered reading this whole thread, it's the EXACT same discussion that I've read dozens of times before. Each time some theorist pops up stating that they will change everyones mind, and each time they bring absolutely nothing new to the table. The only difference is the name of the person posting it.

Blah blah blah, building 7.
Blah blah blah, pull it.
Blah blah blah, operation Northwoods.
Blah blah blah, controlled demolition.

Sounds like a fracking broken record.
 
28th Kingdom, I have a suggestion for you.

I was once a CTer, and I used to think like you until I actually OPENED my mind to this message board. I'm betting you didn't read the links that are debunking all your claims... of course you'll say otherwise, but hey, so be the conspiracy theorist.

Try to prove yourself wrong. You'll be quite surprised. You seem a much more reasonable 'truther' than some, so I'll throw something else at ya. We don't have to prove the buildings were brought down by the planes and fires, YOU have to prove that it was controlled demolitions, because we have scientists on our side, y'know.

28th K:

Here is a major thing to consider; why are there no scientific journals regarding 9/11 'truth'? These journals are written by academics, then submitted to many other professors, academics and so on and if they all agree with its findings, it becomes an official scientific journal - one you could cite in say, an essay. Where are these journals? Oh yeah, hidden by the government, thats true, how could I forget.

You're a stronger person if you can admit you were wrong about something.

Embrace common sense. Searching for the truth involves coming to conclusions, not just asking questions. "Ask Questions, Seek Answers."
 
28th Kingdom said:
I don't even like Loose Change...I think it does more to hurt it's case than to help.
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Seriously, folks, who else has come onto the forum, reciting the same old same old, insisted that he'd never posted here before, and disparaged LC while parroting all of it's arguments?

D'oh!

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Thanks everyone for replying. I need a breather, but let me just say, that I'm not retreading the same theories as some here say. Read back over the thread...and you will clearly see, that others are bringing these, "old" points up and I am merely replying to them.

If you will notice...it's weird how much feedback I have received so far, considering the fact that I have yet to present any evidence...or even attempt to submit any evidence. The only thing I have really done, is pose my opening question. A couple people opted to reply to it, but most have simply dragged this debate into the same places the other threads have gone.

Please, don't hold me responsible for this. I tried to set guidelines in my opening post to make this thread, different...but what can I do, when no one obeys those guidelines? I admit, I have been sucked into debating too many different things...and most of which are trite and hackneyed subjects.

Please, just give me some time, and the truth will come out. I will address any and all questions. But, you just need to give me a little time. Whoever the person was who summarized all of the open questions from this thread...hey, that's awesome... I love that. Please, continue to keep a running count of the questions I need to answer, and I promise to address them all.

Thanks.
 
here's something. why havent the 19 hijackers come forward to cnn, fox news, msnbc, national geographic, some major american news media, and said "here i am..im still alive"?

im not just talking about people with the same names, im talking about the people in the photos.

if i was one of the 19 hijackers, and was still alive, id be all over the american media.
 
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28th Kingdom said:
Thanks everyone for replying. I need a breather, but let me just say, that I'm not retreading the same theories as some here say. Read back over the thread...and you will clearly see, that others are bringing these, "old" points up and I am merely replying to them.

If you will notice...it's weird how much feedback I have received so far, considering the fact that I have yet to present any evidence...or even attempt to submit any evidence. The only thing I have really done, is pose my opening question. A couple people opted to reply to it, but most have simply dragged this debate into the same places the other threads have gone.

Please, don't hold me responsible for this. I tried to set guidelines in my opening post to make this thread, different...but what can I do, when no one obeys those guidelines? I admit, I have been sucked into debating too many different things...and most of which are trite and hackneyed subjects.

Please, just give me some time, and the truth will come out. I will address any and all questions. But, you just need to give me a little time. Whoever the person was who summarized all of the open questions from this thread...hey, that's awesome... I love that. Please, continue to keep a running count of the questions I need to answer, and I promise to address them all.

Thanks.
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if you dont liek the strawman arguments then please tell us, in detail, with EVIDENCE, exactly what you think happened on 9/11

be thorough
 
parky76 said:
here's something. why havent the 19 hijackers come forward to cnn, fox news, msnbc, national geographic, some major american news media, and said "here i am..im still alive"?

if i was one of the 19 hijackers, and was still alive, id be all over the american media.
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...and sueing the US-government for millions of $$$ !!!
 
Why not just post the evidence first? You post garbage and then moan when people tell you it's garbage. Then you tell us you're going for a "breather" before returning and no doubt posting even more garbage. Utterly bizarre.
 
And please take the time to read Maccy's links.

It will answer all of your questions.
 
guys,

anyone give me a quick link to Gravy/marks WTC7 Guide. Thanks

TAM
 
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