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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

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Hello all,

I KNOW there has been a tremendous debate over the subject of 9/11, and from the few threads I have read it looks like most believe the, "Official Story." Well, here's what I can assure you. If you engage me in this debate, than you will NOT leave this thread without KNOWING that 9/11 was an inside job and brought down by controlled demolitions.

Of course, WTC 7 is and will forever be the smoking gun. I am, of course, referring to 47 story steel-structured building, that dissolved to the ground in mere seconds. I say - DISSOLVED into nothingness, in a mere few seconds. Whether it was 6 or 7 or 8 9 10 seconds...that's not at debate. We've all seen the video, and the fact remains...this 47 story steel-structured building literally DISSOLVED in just the blink of an eye....apparently due to a couple fires that were so LARGE they were virtually invisible from the outside. Remember...there is no official report on the cause of WTC 7's collapse. The 911 commission didn't even address it, and if you know anything about a pancake collapse...WTC 7 was NOT a pancake collapse. All 47 stories simply turned into jello all at once. And magically at that. No wait...I mean because of those small fires that melted the entire infrastructure all at once. Yea, that's what I meant to say.

Now, I think one of the main problems people encounter when analyzing an event like this is that they OVER analyze it. Especially since politics are often brought (kicking and screaming) into this discussion...it's easy for one to loose track of the real issues by dismissing another as a, "Liberal! or NeoCON!" Please, don't be blinded by political bias. In fact, let's just check that at the door. This debate has NOTHING to do with what political party you like to associate yourself with.

In conjunction: We're NOT debating WHO is responsible for 9/11 in this thread. So, regardless if you do decide to open your mind up to THE truth...it doesn't mean that you're saying or agreeing to who is actually responsible for the demolition of the WTC. The only fact about this event that we shall discuss, is whether or not FIRE was the chief cause of the collapse of WTC 1, 2, 7 or if a controlled demolition is to blame.

See, I think the main problem with the, 'Debunkers.' is that they never actually debunk this main issue i.e. the buildings came down via a demolition. And the reason they probably haven't presented any actual hard evidence (I'm not talking about an "expert's" commentary or analysis) I'm talking about actual evidence you could present in a court of law that PROVES unequivocally, that demolitions we're NOT used on the WTC buildings. And, really this is the only point worth discussing. Sorry, but calling someone a, "Nutjob!" isn't gonna work. I'm only looking for something that could be presented as evidence in a court of law. Let's get REAL left-brained and linear about this...oki doki! You know like Skeptics are SUPPOSE to be! :-)

There is really no point in getting distracted with the small side issues and theories...because it only serves to dilute the whole point of this investigation...and that is to irrefutably prove what caused the buildings to collapse.

So if we could...I would like to pose a series of simple questions...and all I want for everyone to do is simply respond to the question at hand. If everyone can follow these simple guidelines, than it shouldn't take too long before you will have to accept the fact that the buildings collapsed because of explosives and NOT a fire that melted steel wherein initiating an improbable pancake collapse.

Question 1: Is it possible to prove whether or not (irrefutably) that in the history of the world...a steel-structured building has collapsed as a direct result of a fire? I know we've all heard that this has never happened before 9/11, but is it possible to prove that statement true or false - without a shadow of doubt? And if we can prove whether or not that statement is true, than please give your answer - yay or nay, and present your evidence.
 
Question 1 - Please explain why building codes all over the world require structural steel members to be protected from fire for a given amount of time
 
Have you guys noticed as of late, the influx of new posters, who suddenly are promoting the CTer's side, and prove that tehy've never done a simple search of this forum to see that all they are claiming with their opening post, that theyv'e been addressed numerous times?
 
Question 2.

Can you please provide a list of very tall buildings that have had planes slammed into them at high speed, suffered massive fires and stood?
 
Question 1: Is it possible to prove whether or not (irrefutably) that in the history of the world...a steel-structured building has collapsed as a direct result of a fire? I know we've all heard that this has never happened before 9/11, but is it possible to prove that statement true or false - without a shadow of doubt? And if we can prove whether or not that statement is true, than please give your answer - yay or nay, and present your evidence.

Yes, it is possible to prove that statement false.

He added: "Intense heat buckled the steel girders holding the roof."
 
Hello all,


Question 1: Is it possible to prove whether or not (irrefutably) that in the history of the world...a steel-structured building has collapsed as a direct result of a fire? I know we've all heard that this has never happened before 9/11, but is it possible to prove that statement true or false - without a shadow of doubt? And if we can prove whether or not that statement is true, than please give your answer - yay or nay, and present your evidence.

Yes the Madrid building in Spain had the steel only portions fail in 2 hours or so. Steel fails to hold strength in fire. Where have you been for 5 years.

You did not research this at all. ( this is just CT junk presented again)

There was zero controlled demolition and zero proof. You have zero. Try some facts.
 
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the posts...but really, I want to try and keep this thread as succinct as possible. Please just try to answer the questions, and I PROMISE this will get somewhere...and that is to the undeniable truth. I just found this forum today...and my hand to god - this is the first time I have ever posted on this board. Also, I will never sink to a name-calling match - even if others choose to - because I'm here to unite NOT divide. Remember, United we Stand...
 
I got a question. If 9/11 was an "inside" job why couldn't the same nefarious cabal plant some WMDs in Iraq?
 
Hey Guys,

Thanks for the posts...but really, I want to try and keep this thread as succinct as possible. Please just try to answer the questions, and I PROMISE this will get somewhere...and that is to the undeniable truth. I just found this forum today...and my hand to god - this is the first time I have ever posted on this board. Also, I will never sink to a name-calling match - even if others choose to - because I'm here to unite NOT divide. Remember, United we Stand...

And thank you for coming to post here.

Now, keeping it as succinct as possible please explain why building codes all over the world require structural steel members to be protected from fire for a given period of time.

Trust me, you will find this thread useful, if you are able to answer our questions.
 
Yes, it is possible to

Sir,

The picture from your story:

(can't post links yet)

Shows what looks like to be a two story building...with severe fire damage. I'm not saying fire can't melt steel - come on now - we all know that's possible. Please read my questions closely. This story does NOT report a steel-structured building that collapsed because of a fire. You can still see the entire outside structure of this building. It just had the insides burned out. Is that what the WTC towers looked like? No.
 
This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

And why is that?

Have you ever seen a building burn all day and still be standing at the end of the day?
 
"I'm talking about actual evidence you could present in a court of law that PROVES unequivocally, that demolitions we're NOT used on the WTC buildings. "

Your standards of evidence are a bit out of whack. You can't prove a negative, especially unequivocally. In a court of law, YOU would have to prove that demolition was used.

In a murder trial, does the alleged murderer have to PROVE that he or she DIDN'T do it?

"Question 1: Is it possible to prove whether or not (irrefutably) that in the history of the world...a steel-structured building has collapsed as a direct result of a fire? I know we've all heard that this has never happened before 9/11, but is it possible to prove that statement true or false - without a shadow of doubt? And if we can prove whether or not that statement is true, than please give your answer - yay or nay, and present your evidence."

Again, your standards are off. NOTHING can be proven "irrefutably" or "without a shadow of a doubt": philosophy 101.

And anyway, I don't understand your question. And what's your point? Just because something has never happened means that it NEVER can happen? Induction can betray you at the drop of a hat.
 
Sir,

The picture from your story:

(can't post links yet)

Shows what looks like to be a two story building...with severe fire damage. I'm not saying fire can't melt steel - come on now - we all know that's possible. Please read my questions closely. This story does NOT report a steel-structured building that collapsed because of a fire. You can still see the entire outside structure of this building. It just had the insides burned out. Is that what the WTC towers looked like? No.

OK, what if there had been another storey on top of the one that collapsed? Or maybe ten storeys....maybe 100?

Think the building would be in good shape?

Can you explain why building codes all over the world require structural steel members to be protected from fire for a given period of time?

Go on, have a guess
 
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Sir,
This story does NOT report a steel-structured building that collapsed because of a fire. You can still see the entire outside structure of this building. It just had the insides burned out. Is that what the WTC towers looked like? No.

The Madrid tower again? You might want ot research just how the tower was built, first. When you do, you'll have the answer to your question.
 
Yes the Madrid building in Spain had the steel only portions fail in 2 hours or so. Steel fails to hold strength in fire. Where have you been for 5 years.

You did not research this at all. ( this is just CT junk presented again)

There was zero controlled demolition and zero proof. You have zero. Try some facts.

Sir,

Again, I know fire can damage steel! That's not the question. The question is, has a steel-structured building ever COLLAPSED due to a fire. NOT has a steel-structured building ever been DAMAGED! The Madrid buildings did NOT collapse like the WTC. It may have been severely damaged, and pieces may have fell off...but all of the floors below the fire DID NOT collapse, nor did the massive fires cause any kind of pancake collapse.
 
Sir,

Again, I know fire can damage steel! That's not the question. The question is, has a steel-structured building ever COLLAPSED due to a fire. NOT has a steel-structured building ever been DAMAGED! The Madrid buildings did NOT collapse like the WTC. It may have been severely damaged, and pieces may have fell off...but all of the floors below the fire DID NOT collapse, nor did the massive fires cause any kind of pancake collapse.

Question 2. Please describe, in your own words, the principle behind the process of controlled demolition of a building.
 
Of course, WTC 7 is and will forever be the smoking gun. I am, of course, referring to 47 story steel-structured building, that dissolved to the ground in mere seconds. I say - DISSOLVED into nothingness, in a mere few seconds. Whether it was 6 or 7 or 8 9 10 seconds...that's not at debate. We've all seen the video, and the fact remains...this 47 story steel-structured building literally DISSOLVED in just the blink of an eye

Here's a photograph of WTC 7 after it's collapse. Have you done ANY research on this topic besides watching Loose Change?

wtc7.jpg
 
You're forgetting that it wasn't just a fire, there was the small matter of two airliners flown into the towers at 500mph plus....
 

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