Discussion of the Pentagon taxi cab driver's impossible account.

Do you believe that the passenger seat was built to look as it does in the photos?
Do you believe that the dashboard was built to look as it does in the photos?
Do you believe that the windshield was built to look as it does in the photos?

Do you believe that Lloyde England was indeed driving his taxi with an unbroken winshield before the incident? Or do you think he was driving with the windshield looking as it appears in the photos? Please answer.

Wrong. The main point is that you have a problem with reality that's so severe it has led you to accuse crime victims of being involved in the crimes. The main point is that you're behaving like a despicable creep whose only argument is "I don't believe it, so it's impossible." Reality says otherwise, Craig.

You have a serious problem. Recognize it. Get help.

I believe all damage to the cab was pre-fabricated and staged.

I have evidence that will prove this HAD to be the case and you will be forced to concede this or call multiple other much more credible witnesses liars.
 
Okay, Lyte, show us the eyewitness accounts of Lloyde England stopping his car, getting out, savagely smashing his windshield, and placing a 250-lb light pole in it.

Right now. Show us the eyewitnesses who saw that happen.

...and afterwards, Lyte, you can you tell us WHY he did it, and how his actions benefited a conspiracy in any way.

Just seems like it would be easier to fly a plane into the Pentagon, but, hey, I'm not a conspiracist...
 
Okay, Lyte, show us the eyewitness accounts of Lloyde England stopping his car, getting out, savagely smashing his windshield, and placing a 250-lb light pole in it.

Right now. Show us the eyewitnesses who saw that happen.

Since I never claimed this is how it was accomplished nor is it what I believe I am at not obliged to do so.
 
I believe all damage to the cab was pre-fabricated and staged.

I have evidence that will prove this HAD to be the case and you will be forced to concede this or call multiple other much more credible witnesses liars.

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I believe all damage to the cab was pre-fabricated and staged.

I have evidence that will prove this HAD to be the case and you will be forced to concede this or call multiple other much more credible witnesses liars.

I will now make a claim that, although unsubstantiated, is far more likely to be correct than your own unsubstantiated claims:

YOU HAVE NO SUCH EVIDENCE.
 
You sure are!

This is exactly why they were able to stage it without people noticing.

As I have pointed out in my journal, it's virtually impossible for them to have staged it. The aluminum was bent, severely. A small-scale explosion does not bend steel. Cutting steel with torches CUTS steel and doesn't bend it. The only thing that could bend the steel would be a direct collision!

Look at the photos again. Look at the light poles where they broke. The aluminum is severely bent. What bent the aluminum, if it wasn't a 757?

And you still haven't answered my question of how Chipmunk's scenario contradicts Lloyd's account. Chipmunk posted the snippet of the conversation where Lloyd talked about where the pole was. The narrow end was sticking out of the window, but the base end was "down lower".

Think about that. His picture shows the base end higher than everything (if you look at it two-dimensionally), but he specifically says that the base end of the pole was "down lower" than something. Down lower than what? Down lower than everything, perhaps? Like sitting on the ground, perhaps?

You're giving too much credibility to Lloyd's picture. That's hardly a Picasso-style image, you know. I'd rather rely on his testimony than his drawing.
 
There is nothing new in this evidence other than the wild spin that people like chipmunk are attempting in order to reconcile Lloyd's impossible account.
Spin is saying that Lloyd "I can't say, I don't know" England made a specific claim about the way the pole protruded from his cab.

The man's words are not going away. You can't run from them.
RUSSELL: So the curved part comes out here
LLOYD: I don't know, I don't know-
RUSSEL: And the base part is out like this? [Gestures up in air]
LLOYD: No, it was down lower, down this way. [Gestures to right and down]. See it's the, it's the car that held it up.
RUSSELL: Okay.
LLOYD: The inside, the interior of the car that held it up.
RUSSELL: The interior blew [still gesturing upwards]
LLOYD: The dashboard held it up.
RUSSELL: Was it resting on the hood or was it up [still gesturing up]
LLOYD: I can't say, I don't know. But it was out here.
RUSSELL: Okay.
 
I believe all damage to the cab was pre-fabricated and staged.
Opinions are not evidence.

I have evidence that will prove this HAD to be the case and you will be forced to concede this or call multiple other much more credible witnesses liars.
Claims of having evidence, are not themselves evidence.

Additionally, stop with the false dichotomy; it has been pointed out numerous times. People that don't even read this subforum are aware of it through osmosis of its intense fallacious nature into other subforums on the JREF website.
 
I have evidence that will prove this HAD to be the case and you will be forced to concede this or call multiple other much more credible witnesses liars.

The only person that's being called a liar here is you...
 
So the center of power of the entire US military complex was in flames, and only TWO PEOPLE turned their attention to the damaged light poles?

Astonishing! You may be onto something!

What's more is that he has no one who can corroborate his theory that the light pole damage was the result of anything other than the aircraft hitting them AND in order to make his theory fit he must discount the testimony of two people who say they did in fact see the aircraft topple the pole.

Furthermore this all revolves about ONE of five poles and the account of ONE person who was within inches of having his head removed from his shoulders.

With such flimsy 'evidence" Mr. Tripp believes he has the smoking gun that the impact of flight 77 into the Pentagon was faked.

It is quite mind boggling that an assummably well person can bring to bear so little logical process to an analysis.
 
This thread and topic are all over this forum, so I apologize if this has already been addressed, but...

Have we seen Lyte's theory as to how the pole DID get into Lloyd's car while accounting for the visible damage (or lack thereof)?

And is this single incident going to be the sole proof that shows 9/11 was an inside jobby-job?
 
You have presented no evidence.

Chipmunk Stew presented a hypothetical scenario whereby the lightpole could impale the car without touching the hood.

You have reading comprehension problems or are being willfully obtuse.

Chimpmunk's hypothetical scenario contradicts Lloyd's claim AND is also impossible considering the car was traveling 40 mph and had to be "wrestled" to a stop.

The hood would still be damaged.

Hopefully the chipmunk will be honest and make an accurate model that depicts Lloyd's claim of the pole being suspended in mid-air.

Otherwise he is ALSO proving the impossibility of Lloyd's account.
 
It's important to remember how close Lloyde England came to dying that day. He was inches away from being another Pentagon attack fatality. That could have been any one of us, or a loved one.

Stop, Craig. Look at your behavior. Remember that your words are recorded here for posterity.

You have a serious problem that has led you to accuse 9/11 victims of being complicit in the attacks.

Stop, Craig. Think about what you are doing.
 
Since I never claimed this is how it was accomplished nor is it what I believe I am at not obliged to do so.

In order for one theory (explanation) to replace another it must explain everything the status quo theory explains, plus explain something that the status quo theory does not explain. If you can prove the status quo theory wrong then you must have another theory.
 
I believe all damage to the cab was pre-fabricated and staged.

Ahh the power of belief...


I have evidence that will prove this HAD to be the case and you will be forced to concede this or call multiple other much more credible witnesses liars.

You do?
Wow.... can I see them?
 

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