Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Regnad Kcin]

...How would I know that if i hadn't seen the doc, how would I know that?

Must. Resist. Impulse.

 

[Arus808]

An epidemic of naivete has struck JREF. Quick, get the proctoscope.

i dont think you understand what naivete means.
what is naive about you filing a lawsuit?

again, if your "evidence" is so "concrete" then you should have no problem in filing that lawsuit

So, please tell us when you plan on doing so and in which jurisdiction.

 

[Peter S.]

Darn, I was hoping to get more than a one liner from you. Not only do you give me one line, but what you say is very wrong; we all want to know the truth.

I think I can speak for most of the people here when I say that any of us, given compelling evidence, would be willing to change our minds.

I really want you to think about this and give me a well thought out answer.

Also, again I ask you not to post any more links, we have seen them all already. Repetition does not make your arguments stronger.

I hope your delay in answering my question is because you are working on a well thought out reply of more than a sentence or two.

 

[tsig]

How would I know that if i hadn't seen the doc, how would I know that?

How did you know what no one else knows, and become wise amoung men and able to dispense this wisdom and how may I become enlighteed.

Wait for it, wait,, here comes the website.

 

[Big Al]

From it I learned that the C4 coating on some of the rebar was exposed to bad weather over the winter months before concrete could be poured.

You mean they left it in plain view? I'd have thought some building workers might have noticed it. Or was every single worker in on the conspiracy?

The concrete contractor poured immediately as soon as it warmed enough for the concrete to cure

Concrete doesn't need a given temperature to set. It's an exothermic reaction, i.e. it gives off heat as it sets.

How would I know that if i hadn't seen the doc, how would I know that?

Complete and utter non sequitur. I could just as easily say I saw a documentary saying the Wicked Witch of the West demolished the towers; and how would I know that if I hadn't seen the documentary?

You cite the documentary as proof of your claims, and then you cite your claims as evidence of the existence of the documentary. Talk about a circular argument!

 

[Big Al]

From it I learned that the C4 coating on some of the rebar was exposed to bad weather over the winter months before concrete could be poured. The concrete contractor poured immediately as soon as it warmed enough for the concrete to cure, before it was determined that the "special plastic, anti vibration, anti corrosion coating" had become non viable.

So the U.S. Government deleted all records of this documentary after 9/11. I'm surprised they didn't think the revelation that the WTC had been lined with C4 plastique was damaging enough. Why did they allow it to air in the first place?

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

So the U.S. Government deleted all records of this documentary after 9/11.

Compared to changing all the books and websites, erasing a documentary would have been easy. Good thing that the Ministry of Truth is so efficient (though they did forget to plant WMDs in Iraq).

 

[delphi_ote]

Compared to changing all the books and websites, erasing a documentary would have been easy. Good thing that the Ministry of Truth is so efficient (though they did forget to plant WMDs in Iraq).

They were too busy erasing all of the information about the WTC from all of the resources all around the world. The only thing they forgot to wipe out was Christopheria's memory.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Christophera, I don't understand how you can life with yourself. 3000 poor victims were murdered by your government. You have ALL the evidence to proof so. It is your PATRIOTIC duty to take the evidence to court. You are failing all the families of those victims. You are denying those families from justice done. Why are you denying them from justice done? Shame on you, Christophera!

Well, Christophera, hypocretera, are you going to have justice done in name of the 3000 poor victims or what? You are sitting on this evidence for atleast half a year. The longer you wait, the more the government is getting away with this conspiracy.

You are providing all of your evidence to have justice done, don't you? You want to persons responsible for killing 3000 poor victims to go to jail? Because if you do, your only option is to go to court with all of your incredible evidence. It would be criminal if you took no such action.

Isn't it a criminal action to have solid evidence about a criminal case but not bring it to the authorities? Christophera, aren't you as guilty in keeping this information from the authorities as those are who perpetuated the acts?

Never mind whether you think the authorities will believe you or not...isn't it your duty to at least try? What have you done?

Suppose you've convinced me. Suppose I agree that the core was concrete, that the official theory can't be right. What next? What am I to do with this information? You rail about how an injustice has been done to 3000 lives, yet you suggest nothing to correct that injustice.

I've skipped a few pages, and don't know whether the "sock solution" is still in play, but if it is, I respectfully request possession of the socks until the above questions are answered.

 

[delphi_ote]

Isn't it a criminal action to have solid evidence about a criminal case but not bring it to the authorities? Christophera, aren't you as guilty in keeping this information from the authorities as those are who perpetuated the acts?

Never mind whether you think the authorities will believe you or not...isn't it your duty to at least try? What have you done?

Suppose you've convinced me. Suppose I agree that the core was concrete, that the official theory can't be right. What next? What am I to do with this information? You rail about how an injustice has been done to 3000 lives, yet you suggest nothing to correct that injustice.

I've skipped a few pages, and don't know whether the "sock solution" is still in play, but if it is, I respectfully request possession of the socks until the above questions are answered.

I think we're on the choirboys' side of the island now...

 

[jsfisher]

I have never produced an opening statement in court.

So, in the transcript posted on your site, page 8: lines 8-12, the Mr. Brown being his opening statement per the judge's request must not be you, then. Is that correct?

THE COURT: Well, what is your case? Tell me what it is -- maybe you better make an opening statement, tell me what that case was about.

MR. BROWN: There's an ancient organization that is controlling the defendant and myself.

No evidence is recognized anywhere if I bring it.

I do not think many, here, would challenge the truth of this statement.

 

[mortimer]

Guess what, Christopher? I lived in Santa Barbara all of 1990 while attending UCSB (well, ok, Isla Vista). I watched PBS religiously. It was the only channel I received clearly with rabbit ears in my dorm room (Santa Rosa, if you must know). That documentary never aired. Sorry. You are wrong.

 

[switchtech]

No, nor do Australians, at least those here. So come up with a realistic explanation for free fall.

I don't believe we need to come up with an explanation for free fall. The. Towers. Did. Not. Free. Fall.

jbs

 

[Christophera]

Guess what, Christopher? I lived in Santa Barbara all of 1990 while attending UCSB (well, ok, Isla Vista). I watched PBS religiously. It was the only channel I received clearly with rabbit ears in my dorm room (Santa Rosa, if you must know). That documentary never aired. Sorry. You are wrong.

My ex wife watched it with me and remebers it, sorry.

Have you any evidence of the steel core columns?

I have lots of evidence for the concrete core. Here is the top of WTC 2 falling onto WTC 3, The concrete core

 

[Christophera]

So, in the transcript posted on your site, page 8: lines 8-12, the Mr. Brown being his opening statement per the judge's request must not be you, then. Is that correct?

Okay, a verbal statement labeled by the judge. He should have known from the pleadings but was just defending the defendant and trying to confuse the issues.

We have had mass murders here since that time becasue the County will not follow laws and the courts will not recognize, follow or uphold them.

Do you approve of lawless government?

 

[switchtech]

We do so care.

Curious how the murders of 3,000 Americans just do not matter and one mans struggle for justice benefitting all people is a real problem for ya.

Perhaps you've heard about a place called Afghanistan? I have a friend serving there right now. You may ask why he'd be in such a place, and I'd have to answer: "To struggle for justice benefitting all people regarding the murder of 3,000 of the world's citizens - many of whom were American, some were not."

Anyone claiming we do not care about the murder of innocents is seriously off their rocker. What we do care about is extracting justice from the appropriate quarters. The American government may be many bad things, but it did not murder the occupants of the World Trade Center, the passengers and crew of those airline jets, nor any of the people in the Pentagon. A group in Afghanistan took credit for the actions, all the credible evidence points to this same group, and a great deal of money has been spent there in an attempt to take care of this problem.

Whether we're in Iraq for the right reasons is another issue, but the actions in Afghanistan, as far as I can tell, were justified.

Your ranting about a concrete column and a government conspiracy to erase all records and references to a seemingly non-existant television show will not bring justice for the deaths on September 11, 2001. Trying to see things that just do not exist in photographs in distant objects, seeing things no one else can and expecting us to fall in line with claims of how the World Trade Center should have fallen and how it seemed to fall too fast and more damage than two five hundred mile an hour aircraft with almoust 70000 pounds of fuel (and probably near full gross weight: well over 200,000 pounds) could have done doesn't serve anyone's justice.

A fantasy world has been created where the United States government is evil beyond all measure and purposely destroyed two of the most important icons in the free world just so they could go to war in a far off land. Once created this world feeds on the lack of evidence to support it. The lack of evidence is proof of the conspiracy to destroy the evidence. This is circular and fatal logic and will not lead to any kind of truth. The truth is out there and the NIST did their best to publish it.

While we may not have all the evidence we would like to support our convictions, we do have real and tangible evidence. Experts called in to investigate the issue wrote a report. The report is available to anyone caring to read it. It was excruciatingly detailed, exhaustive, and careful. Certain aspects that did not offer credible hope for progress were not followed because more and better leads were available.

We get passionate about the truth so that when we prosecute someone it is the right someone. We feel insulted when accused of not caring about the murder of three thousand people just because we don't buy into a fantasy world view. We don't buy into the fantasy world view precisely because it is fantasy. We do care about the fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters that will never come home. We care so much it hurts. But we are not willing to shred reality for some home grown fantasy, with no supporting evidence, no probability it could have happened, and no logical reason any sane person should believe it.

Objectivity and a dispassionate approach are a tool used to filter fiction from truth. No wild eyed tilting at dragons will ever make dragons real, no wild eyed tilting at concrete cores will make them real.

Never, ever, accuse anyone of not caring about the three thousand lives lost that day. Not for not believing your version of the world. It isn't right.

jbs

 

[tsig]

Okay, a verbal statement labeled by the judge. He should have known from the pleadings but was just defending the defendant and trying to confuse the issues.

We have had mass murders here since that time becasue the County will not follow laws and the courts will not recognize, follow or uphold them.

Do you approve of lawless government?

Why do you not file lawsuites?

 

[tsig]

Okay, a verbal statement labeled by the judge. He should have known from the pleadings but was just defending the defendant and trying to confuse the issues.

We have had mass murders here since that time becasue the County will not follow laws and the courts will not recognize, follow or uphold them.

Do you approve of lawless government?

I don't approve af anything.

 

[mortimer]

My ex wife watched it with me and remebers it, sorry.

Have you any evidence of the steel core columns?

I have lots of evidence for the concrete core. Here is the top of WTC 2 falling onto WTC 3, The concrete core

Chris, after asking you numerous times if you have found someone else who saw it, you finally fess up?

May we contact her in a non-intrusive way? Say, by email?

And, yes, I have plenty of evidence of a steel core. The steel you keep saying is "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" and outside the core, is actually "STEEL CORE COLUMNS" and is inside the core. Since it is inside the core, there's no way there could have been a concrete core. Ain't circular logic grand?

 

[Christophera]

Chris, after asking you numerous times if you have found someone else who saw it, you finally fess up?

May we contact her in a non-intrusive way? Say, by email?

She remembers nothing of it only that we watched it.

And, yes, I have plenty of evidence of a steel core. The steel you keep saying is "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" and outside the core, is actually "STEEL CORE COLUMNS" and is inside the core. Since it is inside the core, there's no way there could have been a concrete core. Ain't circular logic grand?

If you were correct those steel core columns would be protruding from the core area of the WTC2 CORE and they are not, so, ......... you are wrong. My claim is corroborated yours is not.

What you see inside the core is steel, it is vertical, but it is not a "core column" because if it was it would be protruding. That steel is elevator guide rail support. The elevators were written into the various contracts. The general contractor had to be sure the elevators went as far up as possible. To do this the contractor gave them a priority. Meaning that all work might wait to get those guide rail support in position and aligned. there was just too many contract dependant on that.

Flat out. You are mistaken. You have no evidence to back your assertions and no rational. I have both because I saw the documentary and understood EVERY word of it. Construction process is my forte. Admitted, I do not build skyscrapers, but when I watch a documentary about the construction of one, I understand the reasoning, I am educated by the process.

As a welder for 35 years, I understand what is meant and entailed in executing 100% fillet welds. As an equipment operator I understand cranes, at least a little. As a surveyor and draftsman for a civil engineer I understand loading on partially completed strcutures.

I'm no expert but I do have experience and work with experts fairly often and they find my abilities adequate and appreciate that I understand the specialties they have and my ability to integrat in the processes they control.