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I agree TAM, but sometimes they flip back into the water.
Is the Truthmovement already dead?
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I agree TAM, but sometimes they flip back into the water.
A customer enters a pet shop.
Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(The owner does not respond.)
Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?
Owner: What do you mean "miss"?
Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
Owner: We're closin' for lunch.
Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this movement what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Truth Movement...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. It's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, it's uh,... it's just asking questions.
Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead movement when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
Owner: No no it's not dead, it's, it's just asking questions! Remarkable movement, the Truth Movement, idn'it, ay? Beautiful videos!
Mr. Praline: The videos don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Owner: Nononono, no, no! It's just asking questions!
Mr. Praline: All right then, if it's just asking questions, I'll wake it up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Truth Movement! I've got a lovely fresh Hollywood Deal for you if you show...
(owner hits the cage)
Owner: There, it moved!
Mr. Praline: No, it didn't, that was you hitting the cage!
Owner: I never!!
Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!
Owner: I never, never did anything...
Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO TRUTHY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!
(Takes movement out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)
Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead movement.
Owner: No, no.....No, it's staw-manned!
Mr. Praline: STRAW-MANNED?!?
Owner: Yeah! You straw-manned it, just as it was wakin' up! Truth Movements straw-man easily, major.
Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That movement is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of progress was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk through a bullhorn.
Owner: Well, it's...it's, ah...probably pining for an enquiry.
Mr. Praline: PININ' for an ENQUIRY?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did it fall flat on its face the moment I got it home?
Owner: The Truth Movement prefers crawlin' on its belly! Remarkable movement, id'nit, squire? Lovely videos!
Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that movement when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its pedestal in the first place was that it had been NAILED there, by errors.
(pause)
Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! The errors were there deliberately! If I hadn't nailed that movement down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, cut through them with thermite , and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this movement wouldn't "voom" if you put four million voters through it! It's bleedin' demised!
Owner: No no! It's pining!
Mr. Praline: It's not pinin'! It's passed on! This movement is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to the pedestal, it'd be pushing up the daisies! Its analytical processes are now 'istory! It's off the agenda! It's kicked the bucket, It's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-MOVEMENT!!
Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.
(The owner does not respond.)
Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?
Owner: What do you mean "miss"?
Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
Owner: We're closin' for lunch.
Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this movement what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Truth Movement...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?
Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. It's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
Owner: No, no, it's uh,... it's just asking questions.
Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead movement when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
Owner: No no it's not dead, it's, it's just asking questions! Remarkable movement, the Truth Movement, idn'it, ay? Beautiful videos!
Mr. Praline: The videos don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
Owner: Nononono, no, no! It's just asking questions!
Mr. Praline: All right then, if it's just asking questions, I'll wake it up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Truth Movement! I've got a lovely fresh Hollywood Deal for you if you show...
(owner hits the cage)
Owner: There, it moved!
Mr. Praline: No, it didn't, that was you hitting the cage!
Owner: I never!!
Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!
Owner: I never, never did anything...
Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO TRUTHY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!
(Takes movement out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)
Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead movement.
Owner: No, no.....No, it's staw-manned!
Mr. Praline: STRAW-MANNED?!?
Owner: Yeah! You straw-manned it, just as it was wakin' up! Truth Movements straw-man easily, major.
Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That movement is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of progress was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk through a bullhorn.
Owner: Well, it's...it's, ah...probably pining for an enquiry.
Mr. Praline: PININ' for an ENQUIRY?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did it fall flat on its face the moment I got it home?
Owner: The Truth Movement prefers crawlin' on its belly! Remarkable movement, id'nit, squire? Lovely videos!
Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that movement when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its pedestal in the first place was that it had been NAILED there, by errors.
(pause)
Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! The errors were there deliberately! If I hadn't nailed that movement down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, cut through them with thermite , and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this movement wouldn't "voom" if you put four million voters through it! It's bleedin' demised!
Owner: No no! It's pining!
Mr. Praline: It's not pinin'! It's passed on! This movement is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to the pedestal, it'd be pushing up the daisies! Its analytical processes are now 'istory! It's off the agenda! It's kicked the bucket, It's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-MOVEMENT!!
Roger_Harris
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No, it's like trying to kill Freddy Krueger.
LashL
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Great pics, Perry and Oliver! 
Hilarious, maccy! "Pining for an enquiry"...
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I agree, beachnut, that the name is too ironic...
Truth Movement: where 'Truth' = 'Bowel'.
I aslo agree with Kent1:
I think I know a few of those.
Yes. And like the Twoofers, what have JFK CTists ever done about proving their theory to the 'sheeple' and seeking justice for the 'crime'? (Alex Joneses and Oliver Stones boosting their own bank balances notwithstanding.)
Hilarious, maccy! "Pining for an enquiry"...
.I agree, beachnut, that the name is too ironic...
Truth Movement: where 'Truth' = 'Bowel'.
I aslo agree with Kent1:
I think I know a few of those.
Yes. And like the Twoofers, what have JFK CTists ever done about proving their theory to the 'sheeple' and seeking justice for the 'crime'? (Alex Joneses and Oliver Stones boosting their own bank balances notwithstanding.)
Unfit4Command
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The Truth Movement isn't dead or dying at all yet. Though almost all of the theories have been debunked, VERY few people are actually willing to do research after seeing a Conspiracy movie like Loose Change. I've been noticing more and more lately that very few CTs actually know what they're talking about, if you was them any questions outside of what Loose Change or some other video says, they don't really have much to say...I wish people would research the other side of the movement before choosing what to believe.
NickUK
Critical Thinker
I don't actually think it will ever die out completely. I think it'll shrink, but not to a tiny, tiny number.
There's quite a simple reasoning behind this:
I think a lot of the younger people who are involved (rather than leading) this movement are doing so for healthy enough reasons - the usual anti-establishment, down with the fascist oppressor government crap that people go through before they find out what's really important to them, ie partner, kids, loving and being loved. I went through it, and I'm sure most of the people on here did as well. The googlisation of kids in school and college means that there's always likely to be a fairly healthy turnover of souls who'll buy in, while at the other end people make babies and drift off. What I'm getting at is that information technology means that rather than rebelling locally (ie getting drunk, hating your parents, buying a motorbike etc) people are doing it nationally and very safely on the internet and it feels more important.
As for the leaders of the m0v3ment. I can't see them ever giving up. One thing a lot of them have in common is that they seem to have so little else going on in their lives. It's kind of tragic, in a way. It's almost Pied Piper Of Hamlyn territory. Paper of the cracks of your professional life, Dr's Jones/Fezter et al? You're making a difference now. People care about what you're saying.
Having said that, I'm tired and it's late, so I might well be talking rubbish
There's quite a simple reasoning behind this:
I think a lot of the younger people who are involved (rather than leading) this movement are doing so for healthy enough reasons - the usual anti-establishment, down with the fascist oppressor government crap that people go through before they find out what's really important to them, ie partner, kids, loving and being loved. I went through it, and I'm sure most of the people on here did as well. The googlisation of kids in school and college means that there's always likely to be a fairly healthy turnover of souls who'll buy in, while at the other end people make babies and drift off. What I'm getting at is that information technology means that rather than rebelling locally (ie getting drunk, hating your parents, buying a motorbike etc) people are doing it nationally and very safely on the internet and it feels more important.
As for the leaders of the m0v3ment. I can't see them ever giving up. One thing a lot of them have in common is that they seem to have so little else going on in their lives. It's kind of tragic, in a way. It's almost Pied Piper Of Hamlyn territory. Paper of the cracks of your professional life, Dr's Jones/Fezter et al? You're making a difference now. People care about what you're saying.
Having said that, I'm tired and it's late, so I might well be talking rubbish
Sword_Of_Truth
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This Black Knight?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQx-ZYwHyA&eurl=
You have won the internet.
That is all.
Brainster
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I voted dead too, but dead like a chicken with its head cut off, so it may still be moving.
Alex Jones (for once) was right. This movement was only growing on the left, because the paranoid left grew after Bush's narrow wins in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. After an election like last Tuesday's the paranoid left is pretty much routed; they are reduced to claiming that the Republicans kept it from being a complete blowout. But that's not compelling enough a story to get people upset, when they won. Nobody remembers the bad calls in football games that their team wins.
And the Democrats, to their credit, seem determined not to pick up the nutty stuff. Pelosi and Conyers have both pledged no impeachment is on the agenda. Let's say a Democrat gets elected president in 2008; not a remote prospect by any means. What are they going to claim then--that the Democrats are in on it? Believe it or not, even Jim Fetzer doesn't believe that. That will have resonance only with the profoundly apolitical folks.
Alex Jones (for once) was right. This movement was only growing on the left, because the paranoid left grew after Bush's narrow wins in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. After an election like last Tuesday's the paranoid left is pretty much routed; they are reduced to claiming that the Republicans kept it from being a complete blowout. But that's not compelling enough a story to get people upset, when they won. Nobody remembers the bad calls in football games that their team wins.
And the Democrats, to their credit, seem determined not to pick up the nutty stuff. Pelosi and Conyers have both pledged no impeachment is on the agenda. Let's say a Democrat gets elected president in 2008; not a remote prospect by any means. What are they going to claim then--that the Democrats are in on it? Believe it or not, even Jim Fetzer doesn't believe that. That will have resonance only with the profoundly apolitical folks.
No conspiracy theory will ever fully die. With that in mind, I think we can declare the 9/11 Denial movement dead, in the sense that it's dead to the world of the sane. Its ranks consist of only those who will be attracted to any conspiracy theory -- mostly lifelong kooks and disillusioned youngsters. If there were any evidence of a coverup that would convince a sane person, it would have come to light by now.
I have to say that it is pretty much dead as far as I'm concerned. It was the trooth movement that lead me here and like Gumboot I should thank it for that, but after several months of watching the CTs ignore all evidence which contradicts their stupid world view I've had enough.
I can't go on posting in this sub-forum. TS1234 has beaten me into submission with his total imbecillity.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that the 9/11 conspiracy theories are a load of bovine rectal ejecta and I can see no point in debating with "people" who can't.
I will probably keep lurking occasionally to see if anything new shows up and I'll always be interested in what happens in the other JREF fora, but 9/11 CT time is over.
Cheers
Andy.
I can't go on posting in this sub-forum. TS1234 has beaten me into submission with his total imbecillity.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that the 9/11 conspiracy theories are a load of bovine rectal ejecta and I can see no point in debating with "people" who can't.
I will probably keep lurking occasionally to see if anything new shows up and I'll always be interested in what happens in the other JREF fora, but 9/11 CT time is over.
Cheers
Andy.
Brainache, Andy, good for you. I've enjoyed your great posts here and you well deserve a rest. I look forward to seeing you in the other sub-forums, and am glad you're not leaving for good.
I'm all for leaving CTists to their crapulence, but it's become an addictive hobby to keep in touch with the latest developments. I had a recent attempt to enlighten Christophera's total eclipse of woo, but I can't be bothered with BS1+2=4's utter stupidity.
I'm debating a few now ex-friends at a woo forum who keep me busy. I did quit debating them at the start of the year, but I started again recently because I felt recharged after my ninja duties here and the significant education I've acquired at this forum. But I do fear they would suffer a major breakdown if they were to face up to the fact that they have been wrong for so long, so I'm not sure how long I'll keep at it.
As long as we know we've done our best, that's the main thing. In the book 'Catcher in the Rye', Holden Caulfield wants to catch all the kids running through a crop and save them from going over a cliff. My blog is called 'Catcher in the Argot' for similar reasons. But unlike Holden, I'm not going to have a nervous breakdown trying to save everyone.
Best wishes, Andy, and thanks for your contribution.
I'm all for leaving CTists to their crapulence, but it's become an addictive hobby to keep in touch with the latest developments. I had a recent attempt to enlighten Christophera's total eclipse of woo, but I can't be bothered with BS1+2=4's utter stupidity.
I'm debating a few now ex-friends at a woo forum who keep me busy. I did quit debating them at the start of the year, but I started again recently because I felt recharged after my ninja duties here and the significant education I've acquired at this forum. But I do fear they would suffer a major breakdown if they were to face up to the fact that they have been wrong for so long, so I'm not sure how long I'll keep at it.
As long as we know we've done our best, that's the main thing. In the book 'Catcher in the Rye', Holden Caulfield wants to catch all the kids running through a crop and save them from going over a cliff. My blog is called 'Catcher in the Argot' for similar reasons. But unlike Holden, I'm not going to have a nervous breakdown trying to save everyone.
Best wishes, Andy, and thanks for your contribution.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=636
But it's already been debunked by themselves
MERC's reply[aka: That One Dude]
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=604&st=30&#last
Oh man, I dont know whether to laugh or cry(laughing).
Lyte Trip said:
I know the laughing dog has already been invoked in this thread, but there is no other emoticon that captures the essence of Lyte Trip's John Nashesque paranoid delusions.
Oh man, I dont know whether to laugh or cry(laughing).
I know the laughing dog has already been invoked in this thread, but there is no other emoticon that captures the essence of Lyte Trip's John Nashesque paranoid delusions.
Why the laughing dog
Don't you believe the NWO is capable of stopping his clock? An NWO assassin is on his way as I type.
Why the laughing dog
Don't you believe the NWO is capable of stopping his clock? An NWO assassin is on his way as I type.
Obviously, my last post was supposed to help lure the subject into a false sense of security before we sent in "The Mechanic" and you blew my cover, thanks a million. Report to your NWO handler for disciplinary action, post haste!
