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Sexual education

HI :)

It is my understand that the argument agains sex ed goes like this:
"if we teach them sex ed in schools, then they will be more like to have sex"
Sometimes this is followed up by this: "before they, the teenagers, are ready". This is usually a substitute for this phrase: "before they are married".

The point is this: Very conservative people don't like their kids having sex before they are married. And so they think that if and when teenagers have sex ed in school, they will storm out of the class, and begin engaging in all kind of [censored] .... ] (well, you get the picture, I hope). I really don't care if they don't want to have sex, or promote this message to their kids. I do care, however, if they try to force me and my kids into the same behaviour.

As one of the posts mentioned, you can't stop teenagers from having sex (if they want to do it). IMHO, it is a force of nature... hormones and stuff.

Gnome's post about conervative (religious?) people worrying about liberals smuggling messages (indoctrination) about homosexuals, sex before marriage etc. etc. is very enlightening. It tells us of what these peple are afraid:

They are afraid that the teacher will tell the students about homosexuality and other things they deem immoral, thus making it seem OK to be a homosexual. (or engage in other activites which they also deem immoral).

My take on this is that sex ed is a good thing. Teenagers DO have sex (anyway), so why not give the kids some real information, and inform and educate them about what to do - not to get pregnant....

Luckily, sex ed is mandatory in my country...
 
The unfortunate think about sex education is they don't teach us to be good at it. I had sex ed in 6th grade as was normal in my county, but they didn't teach us about the clitoris or the g spot. They didn't even teach us about oral sex.
 
slingblade said:
Many feel it will simply entice their kids to experiment; that such education is equivalent to tacit permission. Odd, isn't it, how people seem to forget completely their own adolescence?
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I would expect it to be the other way around. How will you know what male and female parts look like if you've never had sex ed? Well, by playing "doctor" of course. Kids are gonna be curious, might as well satisfy their curiosity with the truth, since they're probably less likely to then go and find out on their own what it is they're not being allowed to know about.

I also don't see the problem with 15 year olds having sex with each other. The only real problem I see with it is the fact that they don't know enough about it to do so safely, which is why people insist on not encouraging it. I'd say that the most logical answer is to make sure they know enough so it's NOT unsafe any more. But that's just my liberal European point of view talking I suppose.

And for what it's worth, knowing how sex works is in no way a guarantee that kids will have sex. After all, to have sex, you need two people, and since they don't teach you how to pick up girls in sex ed, all the knowledge in the world is still totally useless to a nerdy, skinny, shy boy like I was. I didn't get to put any of that into practice until well into college.
 
Dave1001 said:
The unfortunate think about sex education is they don't teach us to be good at it. I had sex ed in 6th grade as was normal in my county, but they didn't teach us about the clitoris or the g spot. They didn't even teach us about oral sex.
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Now that, would be, sexual, education!

Sorry kids we can teach about sex but not sexuality. You'll have to fumble around and discover these things yourself. By the time you are good at it you won't have this beautiful young body anymore. One of life's cruel jokes.
 
exarch said:
After all, to have sex, you need two people, and since they don't teach you how to pick up girls in sex ed, all the knowledge in the world is still totally useless to a nerdy, skinny, shy boy like I was. I didn't get to put any of that into practice until well into college.
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One of life's great ironies: Most males reach their sexual peak (18) before they ever have sex! :dl:
 
Growing up on a farm is the best way to learn. You watch, you listen to the adults talking about the animals, you put 2 and 2 together.:idea:
 
aries said:
They are afraid that the teacher will tell the students about homosexuality and other things they deem immoral, thus making it seem OK to be a homosexual. (or engage in other activites which they also deem immoral).
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I can't emphasise this more from my experience... it's far more literal than this. They are convinced that the sex ed classes are actually advocating homosexuality and other behaviors they deem immoral, instead of just educating and informing.
 
rebecca said:
Correction: you only need one person, and I'd bet people would be better off if they learned that was okay, nice and early.
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Take it from an expert in that area: not the same thing at all.
 
Kaarjuus said:
I guess this news from Ohio is appropriate here:
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Hinton stresses that she doesn't condone teenage sex and that her daughter doesn't fit stereotypes: The Hinton household has two loving parents with a strong relationship who asked the straight-A Raechel ''45 times a week if she was having sex, doing drugs, drinking. We were constantly checking on her."
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Hmm, something fishy about this. Were you "asking" or were you lecturing? i am wondering what Raechel was hearing?
 
Dave1001 said:
The unfortunate think about sex education is they don't teach us to be good at it. I had sex ed in 6th grade as was normal in my county, but they didn't teach us about the clitoris or the g spot. They didn't even teach us about oral sex.
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Didn't you have a kid in the class who had hunted up the info on his own (my class did:) ). Of course, it was by snail mail and the smarts on some of it to make up a girl's name .:rolleyes:
 
rebecca said:
Correction: you only need one person, and I'd bet people would be better off if they learned that was okay, nice and early.
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Sure, but I think exarch implicitly meant the kind of sex that may to pregnancy or disease transmission, which is the thing parents are supposed to get uptight about.
 
Euromutt said:
Sure, but I think exarch implicitly meant the kind of sex that may to pregnancy or disease transmission, which is the thing parents are supposed to get uptight about.
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People are surprisingly uptight about masturbation. Remember Jocelyn Elders?
 
fuelair said:
Didn't you have a kid in the class who had hunted up the info on his own (my class did:) ). Of course, it was by snail mail and the smarts on some of it to make up a girl's name .:rolleyes:
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Not in 6th grade (which was pre-internet for me, too).
 
I don't mean to imply that all of the conservatives who are anti-sex ed are pro-gun, but I would guess that a majority of them are (at least here in the US) so:

Teaching kids about gun safety ISN'T teaching kids that it is okay/encouraging them to shoot people BUT

Teaching kids about safe sex IS teaching kids that it is okay/encouraging them to have sex with people

I don't quite understand.
 
rachaella said:
I don't mean to imply that all of the conservatives who are anti-sex ed are pro-gun, but I would guess that a majority of them are (at least here in the US) so:

Teaching kids about gun safety ISN'T teaching kids that it is okay/encouraging them to shoot people BUT

Teaching kids about safe sex IS teaching kids that it is okay/encouraging them to have sex with people

I don't quite understand.
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Well, apparently, being pro-life also means you wanna see people fry in the electric chair. I never quite figured that one out either ...
 
Planned Parenthood does a great sex education talk. My favorite line from it was "sexual education begins at birth".

If we think of sex education as just about the ACT, and not about all the other things, like sexual identity, roles men and women play, media depictions of sex...

From the day we dress our babies in pink or blue (or both?) we are giving them a sexual education.

The planned parenthood talk about sex education for parents is excellent. It covers stuff like, "what do I do if my child comes to me and says he/she thinks they might be gay?" It's a different answer for different ages!

When are the best times to talk about sex? Believe it or not, car rides are great...no eye contact, the kid can't get away, and studies have shown that kids find it more comfortable than the "now we are going to sit down and do the birds and the bees". And it's always sex education time! See a commercial with a sexy woman picking up a guy in a bar (usually some beer commercial) time to throw in a condom joke! Or mention "bet she's going to be surprised with a STD next doctors visit!" (joking is good).

Helped me a lot. Sex education is an everyday thing.
 
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