LCFC - Coming soon to a cinema near you...

[realitybites]

Read about the outrage of Captain Burlington's family in regards to the USG trying to refuse him and Arlington burial. Then how the USG tried to refuse him a missing man formation. This is after he crashed into his old offices and killed former co-workers.

Do you mean Charles Burlingame, former US Naval officer who was the pilot of flight 11 that flew into the North Tower of the WTC?

 

[Housefly]

Face it. You will watch loose change, you cant wait.

Then when you cannot debunk it you will weep.

I don't like LC but it at least brings people in to see the real info.

Who said that? You did. What don't you like about Loose Change? That it's been redone more times than Star Wars? That it's full of BS, a fact even the creators admit to? That Dylan Avery may become a succesful movie director because he pretended to really believe his lies, while your movie will be seen as an imitation purely because Loose Change was there first? "Loose Change has spawned many copycat movies, such as jessicarabbits I Know The Truth But Refuse To Tell It To You"?

And once again, you treat it like a fight. People who believe in the conspiracy vs. people who do not believe in the conspiracy. First to get the most attention wins. OK... go!
I doubt you really believe it yourself. You saw Loose change getting attention and thought "I can do that!" You don't care that everyone here has been taken in by a lie concerning the deaths of three thousand people. You care only that you are apparently pwning them.

 

[Moving On]

Do you mean Charles Burlingame, former US Naval officer who was the pilot of flight 11 that flew into the North Tower of the WTC?

Pilot of Flight 77 into the Pentagon.

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/103.html

 

[realitybites]

Pilot of Flight 77 into the Pentagon.

My mistake.

ETA: I shoulda' known Flight 11 was John Ogonowski. His wife was staying at the hotel I used to work at that morning. Humble pie tastes like poo.

 

[Moving On]

My mistake.

No problem. I have made many as you know.

 

[milesalpha]

WRONG.

Vanity Fair, USA Today, Popular Mechanics etc. etc. etc..

When we were in DC we were literally stalked by international media crews for interviews etc. - no exaggeration.

Screw Loose Change and JREF are perfect examples of a phenomenon. Your obsession is indicative of one aspect of a phenomenon.

You have actually significantly helped the film. The challenges to it have greatly enhanced the final product and your work is MUCH appreciated!!!!

I have to point out that I don't seem to have an obsession with the video. I rarely bother to even address the points in it. I am observing this from a movie business point of view. Being mentioned in a few articles that essentially debunk an overall theory (I don't believe LC was the central figure in any of the magazines mentioned.) does not represent viability with a film distributor.

 

[beachnut]

My research is about 50 times deeper than that which you or anybody (except for Gravy and Scott) have bothered to perform yourself.

Why aren't you directing this energy to finding out what the USG is hiding about their incompetence?

your research is 100 times shallower than mine:

Example one

9:35 Flight 77 is reported at 7000 feet … .*


· * This statement conflicts with the statement that the transponder was turned off. Primary radar alone does not detect altitude.


Your failure to understand how radars can be used to find an altitude of an aircraft not squawking Mode C. Your research is not very exhaustive. You post your information not to tell the truth but to mislead.

Your web site continues to this moment prove you have not the research capabilities you claim!

Fact is : your own words area " There are factual errors here I am aware of." Proving your research is not up to par.

What are you directing your energy to but mislead?

 

[60hzxtl]

I have to point out that I don't seem to have an obsession with the video. I rarely bother to even address the points in it. I am observing this from a movie business point of view. Being mentioned in a few articles that essentially debunk an overall theory (I don't believe LC was the central figure in any of the magazines mentioned.) does not represent viability with a film distributor.

Neither would the grab bag of "help your self to my footage without payment or acknowledgment," concept work for the errors and omissions clause in your insurance policy.

 

[The Atheist]

Hi there, Russell, et al.

I never bother coming in here, mainly because we're so far from the action over here that we don't really have much interest in the whole deal. I do, however, recognise that lots of the CT surrounding 9/11 is pure bunkum. Despite that, it's clear that many people aren't happy with the official story, to a greater or lesser degree.

The reason I have had a look at this thread is because I was staggered that a thread had moved to 200 posts in around 12 hours.

Also, just for fun, I joined Loose Change Forum last week to see whether the "Loosers" were the rabid maniacs I had been led to believe. Comments like this:

I DID sign up. And I got banned for being a member of this forum, even though nothing I said was contentious. I didn't argue, I didn't disrupt.

made me think that the LC members were obviously just a lunatic fringe.

Lo and behold, the TRUTH about LC forum members is exactly the opposite to what the above would suggest. I told the forum in my first post that I am a member here and nobody banned me, or even cried about it. In fact, most people merely wanted to know why JREF members were so unfailingly rude and obnoxious to anyone who comes in here and mentions LC!

I have found them to be no more than misguided at worst, and strangely, most of them actually don't believe half the bollocks that JREF's "9/11 heroes" would have us think they believed. For instance, not one person I've found so far doubts that WTC 1 and 2 were brought down by anything other than passenger jets crashing into them. Most of them simply don't trust the official story. Many of them doubt the official line on WTC7, and who could blame them? The manner of its collapse was unique and while I'm not suggesting it was anything other than a result of the attacks, its uniqueness does open a can of worms for those who wish to doubt the official story - and let's face it, if 80-odd percent of people have questions about some part of the story, it's as good a place as any to start asking questions. On the whole, the way the affair has been handled begs too many questions for people to be comfortable with, and clearly, they aren't.

Not being one of the "9/11 heroes" gives me, I believe, an ability to look at the whole thing impartially and I have been fascinated by this thread in particular. In Russell, I see a polite, determined man, who is receiving nothing but abuse and biased criticism from people who should know better.

Just a quick recount of a few of the posts from the last two pages reveals these gems, from JREF members who are determined to discredit Russell, but alas, are being outclassed in every respect.

This is an example of the excellent "analysis" attempting to counter Russell:

But at the most, there's a small gov't department somewhere that we pay to be paranoid that is aware of you (along with many other fringe whackjobs) and that wants to make sure that your plans to visit the capitol don't include rifles or explosive devices.

From a "muse":

Care to tell us what they told you, or is it priveleged?

While this is from a "scholar":

More government incompetance.

Or perhaps its now just post traumatic stress.

This, from a "critical thinker" is worth re-quoting almost in its entirety:

please take to heart your true disrespect for those who died on 9/11 by passing on each false statement as they stand this very second on your own web site, just my opinion backed up by your disclaimer, a simple disclaimer, you forgot to add you do not care if it is wrong, but you listened to someone here and left out the reason you have wrong stuff, you do not care, and I am only extending to make that reflect you disrespect for those who died on 9/11. If you cared you would not do such shallow research, would you?


I am sure LCFC will not let me down and totally be in my face with lies and disrespect. You don't care anyway, so why respond on how you feel about fiction being passed as a truth movement instrument? Fraud, a movie made as a fictional farce is the bible of many truth movement people. Fraud?

Good luck fixing your site. (try removing it, just kidding, it is self debunking for humorous to most! But cheer up, those who share you PNAC love will suspend all thought processes and suck it up.)

So will LCFC be the big break for you as you appear on stage at those 75 dollar conferences selling soap?

Yep, that's "thinking" for you!

Another, "critical thinker":

from his 'Trailer" and preivew for lc:fc, its not really a bad guess. it seems right on the money.

This one's a "Ninja", apparently. Better stick to Ninja-ing!

Hmm, what comes to mind. If, and this is a big if, a studio showed interest, LC would be a great tax right off. Put some money into the production and distribution, it bombs (hmm is that a sign of CD?) Studio then rights off the losses and actually makes a profit.

Here's that "scholar" again:

I get FedEx packages everyday telling me your are a fraud and a liar.

And here's the "scholar", again! Some institution you're studying in! (I'd recommend asking for a refund.)

Thats the real tell to how well a website is doing. How long does the average visitor stay?

And, to round it out nicely, some more "critical thinking":

you guys are in the category with the following[/COLOR]

serial killers
pedophiles
OJ

Had Russell posted stuff like this, the screams of "ad hominem" and rushing to report the posts would have blown Darat to Scotland.

To an impartial observer, this thread looks like a lot of spoiled little kids crying, while Russell has preserved his dignity throughout.

It amuses me more and more every day that the JREF forum, championed by its own members as the home of critical analysis, seems to be more a group of immature little wannabes who are scared crapless that someone else might be receiving more attention than they are.

Keep it up, Russell, this is the kind of stuff which will turn ever more people to your way of thinking - flawed, in my opinion, though it may be.

p.s. to Russell, which ISP are you using that lists New Zealand with its alternative name of "Aotearoa" as well?

 

[WildCat]

Here are my suggestions:

1) Talk to FEMA enigneers.
2) Talk to Pentagon rescuers including the officers in charge.
3) Talk to the NTSB agents in charge of the FDR.
4) Attempt to talk with the FBI.
5) Talk to Donald Rumsfeld's personal historian.
6) Talk with eyewitnesses (many).
7) Talk to the Special agents who detained you one day.
8) Talk to the Pentagon police who detained you the other day and deleted your digital photos from your camera.
9) Talk to the Arlington County dispatch center and listen to tapes never released to the public.
10) Talk to various professor level people (non CT) about the videos released.

THEN

Talk with me.

And I'd bet the farm 99% of those people simply think that there was a lot of CYA going on to hide incompetence. It's a long way from that to "the government/NWO/PNAC/Illuminatti/Freemasons/Zionists/Mossad/Globalists/Silverstein did it.

But of course the LTW crew will spin it to appear that they all think it was an "inside job".

 

[WildCat]

Also, just for fun, I joined Loose Change Forum last week to see whether the "Loosers" were the rabid maniacs I had been led to believe. Comments like this: made me think that the LC members were obviously just a lunatic fringe.

Lo and behold, the TRUTH about LC forum members is exactly the opposite to what the above would suggest.

I suggest you look at the forum we're actually talking about, the old LC forum. The one where administrator johndoeX wielded his ban hammer at the slightest suspicion that someone was from the JREF.

You're way more than a day late and a dollar short in this one.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Hi there, Russell, et al.

I never bother coming in here, mainly because we're so far from the action over here that we don't really have much interest in the whole deal. I do, however, recognise that lots of the CT surrounding 9/11 is pure bunkum. Despite that, it's clear that many people aren't happy with the official story, to a greater or lesser degree.

The reason I have had a look at this thread is because I was staggered that a thread had moved to 200 posts in around 12 hours.

Also, just for fun, I joined Loose Change Forum last week to see whether the "Loosers" were the rabid maniacs I had been led to believe. Comments like this: made me think that the LC members were obviously just a lunatic fringe.

Lo and behold, the TRUTH about LC forum members is exactly the opposite to what the above would suggest. I told the forum in my first post that I am a member here and nobody banned me, or even cried about it. In fact, most people merely wanted to know why JREF members were so unfailingly rude and obnoxious to anyone who comes in here and mentions LC!

I have found them to be no more than misguided at worst, and strangely, most of them actually don't believe half the bollocks that JREF's "9/11 heroes" would have us think they believed. For instance, not one person I've found so far doubts that WTC 1 and 2 were brought down by anything other than passenger jets crashing into them. Most of them simply don't trust the official story. Many of them doubt the official line on WTC7, and who could blame them? The manner of its collapse was unique and while I'm not suggesting it was anything other than a result of the attacks, its uniqueness does open a can of worms for those who wish to doubt the official story - and let's face it, if 80-odd percent of people have questions about some part of the story, it's as good a place as any to start asking questions. On the whole, the way the affair has been handled begs too many questions for people to be comfortable with, and clearly, they aren't.

Not being one of the "9/11 heroes" gives me, I believe, an ability to look at the whole thing impartially and I have been fascinated by this thread in particular. In Russell, I see a polite, determined man, who is receiving nothing but abuse and biased criticism from people who should know better.

Just a quick recount of a few of the posts from the last two pages reveals these gems, from JREF members who are determined to discredit Russell, but alas, are being outclassed in every respect.

This is an example of the excellent "analysis" attempting to counter Russell:
From a "muse":While this is from a "scholar":This, from a "critical thinker" is worth re-quoting almost in its entirety:Yep, that's "thinking" for you!

Another, "critical thinker":This one's a "Ninja", apparently. Better stick to Ninja-ing!
Here's that "scholar" again:
And here's the "scholar", again! Some institution you're studying in! (I'd recommend asking for a refund.)
And, to round it out nicely, some more "critical thinking":Had Russell posted stuff like this, the screams of "ad hominem" and rushing to report the posts would have blown Darat to Scotland.

To an impartial observer, this thread looks like a lot of spoiled little kids crying, while Russell has preserved his dignity throughout.

It amuses me more and more every day that the JREF forum, championed by its own members as the home of critical analysis, seems to be more a group of immature little wannabes who are scared crapless that someone else might be receiving more attention than they are.

Keep it up, Russell, this is the kind of stuff which will turn ever more people to your way of thinking - flawed, in my opinion, though it may be.

p.s. to Russell, which ISP are you using that lists New Zealand with its alternative name of "Aotearoa" as well?

 

[delphi_ote]

In Russell, I see a polite, determined man, who is receiving nothing but abuse and biased criticism from people who should know better.

Well, since you just dropped in, you probably missed some of this stuff:

Jessica,

Here are the observations I have made so far.

The government in general is just a lumbering, clumsy conglomeration. It made a few innocent mistakes in regards to 9/11. A little cover up is justified just so they don't look bad. All of the reports are to be trusted 100% even though the president himself refused to testify under oath and tried to prevent a 9/11 Commission. The reports and stuff are just delayed because some of this is just not important. Physics is irrelevant and words can mean anything.

There is NO possibility of a small subversive element within the harmless, friendly giant. Don't suggest it.

They have evidence and we don't. We're just unpatriotic kooks.

Some people here defend the government at all costs and will instead attack you even though you have done nothing wrong and are simply trying to find answers the friendly giant refuses to provide.

Meanwhile 9/11 is used to justify everything from the evisceration of the Constitution to the daily deaths of human beings.

So just relax and get indoctrinated!

Russell

 

[uk_dave]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/75834547cbcad9c02.jpg

Oh that's PERFECT!

 

[WildCat]

From the old LC Forum:

- People like Paul Isaac Jr, who do nothing but cause trouble, will be banned on sight. No questions asked. JREF'ers are not welcome.

The Atheist, you don't have the slightest clue what has gone on over the last 6 months.

 

[beachnut]

Maybe it´s a dumb question but what are inside tips
in context to 9/11?

example would be an email, mailed at 10 times the speed of gravity

RP may become the new Alex Jones upstart with his secret "INSIDE TIPS"

The real CT:

a guy at work at midnight at duty in the Middle East comes across RP's site. He loves the irony of the truth movement. He dispatches the inside tip. About the beam weapon to RP; RP tells Judy Would do anything; Judy exposes the beam weapon at her Janedoe site before she goes on her honeymoon with Johndoe the expert pilot a friend of RP and LC;;

; our Beam Weapon expert in the airforce, a graduate of GA Tech, and a F-117 pilot, is still LOL every night he finds
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam1.html
and shows the rest who are now trying all over the world to see if their ideas can show up. There is a 5,000 dollar purse growing as .mil guys enter the secret pool.

They have selected a date to vote on the best idea that makes it to the CT world as told by an "inside tip"

it is CT world after all

LCFC is the perfect example of CT, the guys at LC, some of them, know it is fiction and use it as their fraud vehicle, like ENRON LC is bilking people, LC may skate if they do not mess up and actually accuse someone, but I think they have, the people can not sue them until they are out of office.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

...And can we really get "irrifutable evidence" and "calculations" from the credentials of a tour guide?? I mean seriously people. The Groovy, Gravy, Grave, Copy and Paste, Not My Own Research, Tour Guide Paper.

Please grow up. Everyone will be happier, including you.

 

[Mince]

Notice how this post went totally ignored.

Correction. Notice how you went totally ignored, leastwise by me. But now I guess the crying baby gets the bottle.

Your (and Avery's) premise is wrong. I would never call anyone a liar without evidence. I may not believe them, they may not have evidence to support their claims/beliefs, but that does not make them a liar. I'm sure Rodriquez did hear explosions in the basement. But what caused those explosions no one can assert with any authority. For this reason, any weight your movement gives his testimony is undue.

As far as the "Jersey Girls," what the heck are you guys talking about? I, and I believe most people, agree with them. I don't know of anyone who has called them a liar. I personally support them fully and hope they get what they seek.

If you unequivocally believe what people say, you are a fool and will be misled many times in your life. You are also a fool if you think someone can actually interpret the sounds of explosions to determine what caused them. And you are also a fool to believe that no one would alter or lie about their perceptions or actions about and on 9/11 to try to gain notoriety.

 

[Moving On]

I have to point out that I don't seem to have an obsession with the video. I rarely bother to even address the points in it. I am observing this from a movie business point of view. Being mentioned in a few articles that essentially debunk an overall theory (I don't believe LC was the central figure in any of the magazines mentioned.) does not represent viability with a film distributor.

USA Today headline - Conspiracy film rewrites Sept. 11

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm

Vanity Fair headline - Click Here for Conspiracy
With $6,000 and a laptop computer, three kids from upstate New York made a documentary about 9/11 that spread across the Internet and threw millions for a loop.

http://www.vanityfair.com/ontheweb/features/2006/08/loosechange200608

Just 2 examples.

 

[WildCat]

USA Today headline - Conspiracy film rewrites Sept. 11

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm

Now there's some good pub!

Most of what the film alleges is refuted by the evidence at hand. Anything not answered definitively by the government is interpreted by the film as proof of a coverup.
Among the assertions in Loose Change is that a missile hit the Pentagon even though eyewitnesses saw the jet, numerous pieces of wreckage were found including the flight recorder, and those on the flight and in its path at the Pentagon are dead.
There is also the claim that because jet fuel burns at up to 1,500 degrees and steel melts at 2,750 degrees, the World Trade Center's infrastructure could not have been brought down by the airliners. However, as reported by the Journal of the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society, steel loses 50% of its strength at 1,200 degrees, enough for a failure.
"The only thing they (the filmmakers) seem to have gotten right about the Sept. 11 attacks is the date when they occurred," says Debra Burlingame, whose brother was the pilot of American Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.
"They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world," she says. "They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars."

Bold emphasis mine.

Guess the Burlingame family isn't exactly on board as you claim, eh Russell?