Randi - You've Been Had! TS1234 Email to Randi

Gravy said:
Welcome to the forums, Roger. [ETA: Oh, I see you've been here since June '05. Don't be such a stranger!]

As for the "squibs," I measured the most prominent one, near the top of the north tower, and calculated its average speed as 35 mph. I'd like to see a high explosive that can accomplish that.
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Suppose a shaped charge was in the core section. How fast would we expect the air to be moving by the time it was at the perimeter? Could thermobarics behave this way?

How else do we explain these tightly focused jets of smoke and debris? Let me see if I have this right. A separate collapse front of falling floor assemblies is proceeding 10-30 floors below the main collapse front. It impacts drywall and crushes it into powder, then expells it out the sideways. It acts like a piston, or the plunger in a syringe.

I'm imagining that I am inside the tower looking across the floor towards the many windows. I'm trying to imagine that if I was a flat floor, how would I focus the dust into a tight jet pattern and get it to go out the center window. I need help with this.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I'm imagining that I am inside the tower looking across the floor towards the many windows. I'm trying to imagine that if I was a flat floor, how would I focus the dust into a tight jet pattern and get it to go out the center window. I need help with this.
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Have you ever heard the adage, "A chain is only as strong as its weakest link"? One of the windows was likely not set as strongly into its frame as the others, and it failed first. After that, the pressure on the other windows would drop, as air is being expelled through the first window. Since the pressure is dropping, the other windows are no longer near their failure point.

Until the rest of the building hits them, of course.
 
hellaeon said:
d o n t f e e d t h e t r o l l s
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I'm not sure that TS1234 really counts as a troll. He's a bit too fixated on his pet theories and estimates, but it doesn't seem like he's posting just to get a rise out of us. I still have hopes that we can bring him around.
 
ahhh I know, im just...uhhh over the style of CTists this morning

post a question, block your ears, post a question, block your ears....repeat indefinately until one day, a dormant brain cell awakes and logic exists.

Carry on :)
 
hellaeon said:
ahhh I know, im just...uhhh over the style of CTists this morning

post a question, block your ears, post a question, block your ears....repeat indefinately until one day, a dormant brain cell awakes and logic exists.

Carry on :)
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Hey, if it was easy, everybody'd be doing it!
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Suppose a shaped charge was in the core section. How fast would we expect the air to be moving by the time it was at the perimeter? Could thermobarics behave this way?

How else do we explain these tightly focused jets of smoke and debris? Let me see if I have this right. A separate collapse front of falling floor assemblies is proceeding 10-30 floors below the main collapse front. It impacts drywall and crushes it into powder, then expells it out the sideways. It acts like a piston, or the plunger in a syringe.

I'm imagining that I am inside the tower looking across the floor towards the many windows. I'm trying to imagine that if I was a flat floor, how would I focus the dust into a tight jet pattern and get it to go out the center window. I need help with this.
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Air pressure. Not seperate collapses.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I'm imagining that I am inside the tower looking across the floor towards the many windows. I'm trying to imagine that if I was a flat floor, how would I focus the dust into a tight jet pattern and get it to go out the center window. I need help with this.
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Yes you do. Repeat your thought experiment, but with the center window open and the others closed. Describe what you would expect to see when the air pressure rapidly rises inside the building as the smoke- and debris-filled upper section falls.

Likewise, imagine that you're a mechanical floor, with vents all around directly to the exterior! Describe what you would expect to see when the air pressure rapidly rises inside the building as the smoke- and debris-filled upper section falls.
 
Truthseeker1-4: You utterly misstate what I was saying. Of course a cinder block dropped will injure your toe, it cannot injure anything on the way down.

Horatius said:
Unless there's something else in the way - like another foot. Or a floor structure.
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Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you for saying that. I screamed and pulled my own hair when I read "...it cannot injure anything on the way down."
:bunpan
 
Horatius said:
I'm not sure that TS1234 really counts as a troll. He's a bit too fixated on his pet theories and estimates, but it doesn't seem like he's posting just to get a rise out of us. I still have hopes that we can bring him around.
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Yes, bring me around. Please. If I could only believe in this ridiculous fairy tale of Osama and the 19 kamakazees, my life would be so much easier. If it was just me, I wouldn't care so much, but I have two kids. They need to grow up in a U.S. without a police state. A growing number of us think that the only way to prevent police state is to expose 9/11 truth and bring the perpetrators to justice.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Yes, bring me around. Please. If I could only believe in this ridiculous fairy tale of Osama and the 19 kamakazees, my life would be so much easier. If it was just me, I wouldn't care so much, but I have two kids. They need to grow up in a U.S. without a police state. A growing number of us think that the only way to prevent police state is to expose 9/11 truth and bring the perpetrators to justice.
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The truth was exposed when Osama confessed. Duh.

And you do realize how ridiculous your theory is right?
 
has there been a return email on this alleged email to of the famous "You've Been Had! TS1234 Email to Randi "

did we miss the reply, or could this be a ct of the missing email?
 
Elizabeth I said:
Truthseeker1-4: You utterly misstate what I was saying. Of course a cinder block dropped will injure your toe, it cannot injure anything on the way down.


:wave1
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you for saying that. I screamed and pulled my own hair when I read "...it cannot injure anything on the way down."
:bunpan
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Maybe if I speak slowly you guys can get this. A falling cinder block can injure any number of things on the way down, but every time it does, it subtracts energy from the equation. Each collision is an energy sink. That energy is spent doing the work of breaking something, thus it is not available for accelerating the falling mass downward, therefore the falling mass will slow down. The more things that are broken, the longer it will take.

Put the other way around, if falling mass arrives to the ground in free-fall time, then it did not injure anything on the way down. If falling mass arrives to the ground in just over free-fall time, then it did not injure very much of anything on the way down.

Thus the scenario you all want to imagine is trying to have it both ways. You're trying to say that falling mass damages everything, so much so that very little is even left of the whole building, yet damaged so little that it was able to arrive in just over free-fall time.

It's just at odds with itself.
 
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TruthSeeker1234 said:
Maybe if I speak slowly you guys can get this. A falling cinder block can injure any number of things on the way down, but every time it does, it subtracts energy from the equation. Each collision is an energy sink. That energy is spent doing the work of breaking something, thus it is not available for accelerating the falling mass downward, therefore the falling mass will slow down. The more things that are broken, the longer it will take.

Put the other way around, if falling mass arrives to the ground in free-fall time, then it did not injure anything on the way down. If falling mass arrives to the ground in just over free-fall time, then it did not injure very much of anything on the way down.

Thus the scenario you all want to imagine is trying to have it both ways. Your are trying to say that falling mass damages everything, so much so that very little is even left of the whole building, yet damaged so little that it was able to arrive in just over free-fall time.

It just at odds with itself.
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Well the fact that you said it fell in freefall time says a lot. It didn't. And yes it did damage everything, but a lot was left of the building. How many times have we told you how big the basement was?

Your explosive theory is on the basis of "too much dust" and a picture of a pile of debris that you say "is all microscopic" yet it isn't.

Lets see how silly your theory is: Our government wanted to go to Iraq by creating this whole 9/11 scheme. Yet the highjackers were from a group called Al Quaida, which has little or no connection with Saddam. We crash a missle into the Pentagon, blow up a plane in Shanksville, and crash two planes into a large building. But no, there is more. We rig up wtc 7 for no reason, and decide to blow up every little thing of the wtc with both silent and invisible explosives that cannot be detected.

What a power our government is...
 
Randi's Reply

Mr. Randi has replied to my letter. Here it is.
[FONT=&quot]You are wrong. It is you who have been “taken,” not I…[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I do not discuss conspiracy theories.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]James Randi.[/FONT]
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