He's an experienced structural engineer and I've heard many times that they all believe building 7 was a simple collapse.
Hae you heard the audio?
Steven Jones debates Leslie Robertson
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He's an experienced structural engineer and I've heard many times that they all believe building 7 was a simple collapse.
Hae you heard the audio?
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Jones is an academic fraud who was kicked out of his job of 21 years for making claims he couldn't substantiate.
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What do you think should happen when two 110 story towers, are hit by two multi-tonnage airplanes, with thousands of gallons of jet fuel, infernos on several floors that were impacted and were burning all that time with no amount of effort to put them out?
ETA: sorry, had to make an correction. my bad on reading the original post.
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You've heard Robertson opine on WTC 7? When?
So let me get this straight.
The radio show you are listening to is Alex Jones, the wingnut radio show host, debating Les Robertson, not Steven Jones.
Ahhh...that changes it a little...Alex knows much less than Steven.
Please post link, or equivelent, so we may listen.
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The radio show you are listening to is Alex Jones, the wingnut radio show host, debating Les Robertson, not Steven Jones.
Ahhh...that changes it a little...Alex knows much less than Steven.
Please post link, or equivelent, so we may listen.
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The reason Robertson is 'reeling' (if indeed he is) is because he is being asked about a bunch of bizarre nonsense that only CTists and debunkers have ever even heard of. He's no doubt being caught off guard by the sheer randomness of the claims.
The collapse times issue is meaningless in the real world. Only crazy CTists would think of timing the collapses in order to detect some kind of anomaly. Only CTists think that the timing of the collapse can somehow prove the existence of secret squads of invisible demolition teams and silent explosives.
And lets not forget the old trick: "How do you explain THIS?!", where 'THIS' is a completely made up 'fact' where the live interviewee has never heard of this 'fact' before (because it was made up), and has no hope of proving that its made up (because you can't prove a negative).
The collapse times issue is meaningless in the real world. Only crazy CTists would think of timing the collapses in order to detect some kind of anomaly. Only CTists think that the timing of the collapse can somehow prove the existence of secret squads of invisible demolition teams and silent explosives.
And lets not forget the old trick: "How do you explain THIS?!", where 'THIS' is a completely made up 'fact' where the live interviewee has never heard of this 'fact' before (because it was made up), and has no hope of proving that its made up (because you can't prove a negative).
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He retired. So your not going to listen to the audio? Ok.
No robertson has just claimed he has never met a person talking about molten steel. I have quotes from academics who inspected ground zero if you would like to see them
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By the time the collapse initiated, there was a multi-floor fire raging within the structure, initiated by an airliner full of jet fuel, and stoked by massive amounts of paper, furniture, and other combustible materials.
When collapse began, the weaking of support structures guaranteed that several floors would be taken down by the force of the falling structure which included the entire mass of the building above the collapse point.
Given the mass and energy which must have been in play by the time this collapse reached lower floors, especially considering the grid structure of the building, it would have been nothing short of miraculous if the collapse had somehow stopped.
No. Steven jones is having a debate with robertson on a colorado radio station. Alex Jones is not involved and I never mentioned him
Could I see your calculations on that? I have searched for some calculations done and even NIST has not done them
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He was retired.
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please provide them now. YOu dont have to ask if we would like to see them. ASSUME we always want proof of what you claim here.
And thes academics are the "scholars" are they; that already blows their credibility.
cold fusion is his game, he has changed from only Thermite to RDX in many of his versions of his paper
his paper use to have the torch cut from clean up as his thermite proof
how do you change a peer reviewed paper over and over
he added RDX with his thermite when he learned CD does not use thermite,
his paper is really his trip on learning CD trying to prove his idea that explosives brought down the WTC towers
Then the real expert, the one and first hand expert said the following i posted back a few
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2043018&postcount=20
Have you read Jones paper? He retired after being on paid leave.
Do you have prove they didn't do them, or are you just unable to find them because (1) they are not widely available, or (2) NIST has not released them.
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