My only brush with the paranormal

Funny becuase I read that and the first thing that popped into my head was

"I can hear the coocoo's calling from the coocooberry tree" from Man of la mancha
 
snagswolf said:
I considered that it would be rude for me to apologize for starting the topic, and then continue to discuss it.
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Nobody expects you to apologize for starting the topic.

We are complaining because you won't finish it - because you will not either a) provide evidence, or b) respond appropriatly to the lack of evidence.

However, to respond to your specific post, I never claimed in this thread that God was responsible.
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You didn't not claim God was responsible; you did mention the presence of a religious figure.

Nonetheless, my post stands, whether it was God or random fate. It remains unfair and destructive of all hope and meaning.

If I do find out anything where I've remembered incorrectly,
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Given the staggering significance of your experience, one would think you would have done so in the first place.

"Ya, I saw Jesus the other day. At least, I think it was Jesus. He had holes in his hands and feet, and was walking on water. But I was late for the opening of "Star Wars," so I didn't stop to check."
 
Yahzi said:
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." ~ George Bernard Shaw.

:)
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That is, of course, presuming accurate observation...:cool:
 
Yahzi said:
"Ya, I saw Jesus the other day. At least, I think it was Jesus. He had holes in his hands and feet, and was walking on water. But I was late for the opening of "Star Wars," so I didn't stop to check."
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Depending on which Episode and Edition of Star Wars we are talking about, I cna see how this person would just have their priorities set straight. They wouldn't get an argument from me.
 
hcmom said:
That is, of course, presuming accurate observation...:cool:
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The truth of this proposition is within our power to test. We need merely observe Snagswolf's responses. Eventually he will reveal his utter contempt for everyone who does not believe his stories without evidence, and then we will know I was right. (Eventually being within two or three pages.)

They always do.

Snagswolf has already declared the impossibility of changing his/her mind over an impossible claim. All that is missing is the contempt for people who do not share his impossible belief. And that will follow, soon enough.
 
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Yahzi said:
Eventually he will reveal his utter contempt for everyone who does not believe his stories without evidence, and then we will know I was right.
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I seem to recall him saying "I wouldn't believe me either", which sounds pretty far from contempt if you ask me.

But like you said, we will see.
 
Yahzi said:
The truth of this proposition is within our power to test. We need merely observe Snagswolf's responses. Eventually he will reveal his utter contempt for everyone who does not believe his stories without evidence, and then we will know I was right. (Eventually being within two or three pages.)

They always do.

Snagswolf has already declared the impossibility of changing his/her mind over an impossible claim. All that is missing is the contempt for people who do not share his impossible belief. And that will follow, soon enough.
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I don't think it will turn out like that. He seems like a somewhat reasonable and nice person, albeit a magical thinker, therefore I wish he would try to participate in the thread, we might actually achieve something.
 
Yahzi said:
The truth of this proposition is within our power to test. We need merely observe Snagswolf's responses. Eventually he will reveal his utter contempt for everyone who does not believe his stories without evidence, and then we will know I was right. (Eventually being within two or three pages.)
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What happens if this thread doesn't make it another two or three pages? I'll confess to an absurd amount of tenaciousness in order to win an argument, but I don't think I have it in me to make sure to post enough here to stretch it out that long by myself.

We'll have to wait and see I guess.

Yahzi said:
Snagswolf has already declared the impossibility of changing his/her mind over an impossible claim. All that is missing is the contempt for people who do not share his impossible belief. And that will follow, soon enough.
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I've now reread all the posts snagswolf has made here, and the closest I can find to him declaring the impossibility of his mind was:
snagswolf said:
Two reasons. I don't need a affidavit to convince me, and I'm not here to convince you.
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which to me says he's convinced, not that it's not possible to change his mind.

To you those might seem like the same thing, but here's an example of the difference --

Right now, I am convinced that snagswolf isn't going to turn out to be a werewolf, (Jekyll and Hyde would be more accurate, but not as punny...) and start spewing distain toward non-believers. However, if in the next two or three pages he does, I will change my mind.
 
snagswolf said:
And to answer some of the other questions, I'll find out more specific information from my sister and give you all an update when I do.
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So, you'll ask your sister to ask her boyfriend to ask his uncle to clarify this supposed miracle that happened to his child 33 years ago? Great! I was beginning to think we would never get to the bottom of this.
 
hcmom said:
What happens if this thread doesn't make it another two or three pages?
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I win by default?

:D

Right now, I am convinced that snagswolf isn't going to turn out to be a werewolf,
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I hope you're right.

But, I'm pretty sure he's happy with his belief. And means we have to be the enemy, so he can keep his belief. So I am guessing we wind up the enemy...
 
Yahzi said:
I win by default?

:D
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Well that's not exactly how I was seeing it...


Yahzi said:
But, I'm pretty sure he's happy with his belief. And means we have to be the enemy, so he can keep his belief.
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Either you have had horrid luck with meeting reasonable people in your life, or you don't even see things in black and white only, you see them in black or white only.
 
hcmom said:
I'll confess to an absurd amount of tenaciousness in order to win an argument...
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It has occurred to me that I could simply send him a PM, and sweet-talk him and tell him I agree with him...:wink:
 
Old man said:
I took it to mean the boyfriend's uncle had an uncle with a young daughter, so I thought there was even more separation than you did.

But, your interpretation makes 'boyfriend' the cousin of 'child', and since many families are very close, the OP may very well have had enough of contact with her.
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I reached that same conclusion the first time I read it, but I looked again and think I have it right. I notice snags hasn't answered that point yet.
 
I really think that was a misplaced comma, but snag will tell us.

For all we know, snagswolf will come back and say, "It was all a dream, my sister has no memory of it and her boyfriend never had a 5 year old cousin".

As a n00b here myself, I'd better explain where I'm coming from. I'm a hard nosed atheistic deterministic skeptic. However, I came into this thread because I too had one brush with what was apparently paranormal. I have been somewhat disappointed by the attitudes shown here. My point is that, I certainly don't have any evidence for what happened to me, since it was inside my head. But I'd hate to think that I would be barred from even posting my story on JREF simply on that basis. It strikes me that even if s/he didn't say so, snagswolf might well welcome a rational explanation for the experience.
Yahzi said:
But, I'm pretty sure he's happy with his belief. And means we have to be the enemy, so he can keep his belief. So I am guessing we wind up the enemy...
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I'm pretty happy with my belief, too. I believe something happened to me for which there is no current scientific explanation (though I have several hypotheses myself). I believe that there may one day be a scientific explanation for what happened to me. I believe that what happened to me really happened. I trust that my personal beliefs in my personal experience does not in and of themselves make me enemies here.
 
Larry Lovage said:
I believe something happened to me for which there is no current scientific explanation (though I have several hypotheses myself). I believe that there may one day be a scientific explanation for what happened to me. I believe that what happened to me really happened. I trust that my personal beliefs in my personal experience does not in and of themselves make me enemies here.
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What exactly does "for which there is no current scientific explanation" mean, anyway?

Linda
 
Larry Lovage said:
I trust that my personal beliefs in my personal experience does not in and of themselves make me enemies here.
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I can't speak for anyone else in particular, although skeptics often think alike on certain issues, but I am nobody's enemy simply because of what they do or don't believe. It boils down to how reasonable and rational a person is; not what their beliefs are per se, but their reasons for having those beliefs.

Even if they have the worst possible reasons, I am not their enemy, I just think less of them and tend not to listen to them.
 
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