Look at this collapse

[alexg]

You still offer no explanation for the bowing. But I am not surprised you avoid this one. What could cause the bowing but sagging floor trusses, trusses made of steel, attached to bowing steel walls. The fire is still raging in that pic and this much has already happened.

If the picture we started with were showing thousands of explosions going off we would have heard explosions THEN. POP POP POP. Delineated. Even if this were rapid fire it would at least sound like a roll of firecrackers going off.

 

[WildCat]

that appears to be a MAPP gas cylinder

That's exactly what it is, great for sweating in copper pipes, melting lead, and loosening bolts. Not so good at melting steel.

$39.95 at Home Depot - w/ the torch head.

 

[Docker]

I got it from a source you use to post on your sig, but now you post how that other guy was right twice, truthful twice and showed how you quibble over little tiny questions and never look up anything

It is a fact, my post is a fact, your posts are questions and the proof is self critiquing

I have found most CT lemmings are debunked by their own sources

Alex Jones! Or was it Denny Crane! Soon to be Docker!

So you have no source, Ok, as long as we know.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

As a technicality D. is right here, but his way of expressing it and the way the formula is written implies (especially since he gave no further data) that he does not have the chemical knowledge but merely quickly looked up enough info to put this together (that is not an accusation, it based purely on the data available to me).

true, my point was more than it was a carbohydrate, not a hydrocarbon, i didnt know the formula offhand

CH2O is generalized hydrocarbon and can be used to represent cellulose, but it is actually any of many long chain molecules that make up wood.

isnt CH2O formaldehyde? but i believe almsot any carbohydrate can be expresses as C(x)H2O (a hydrate of carbon)

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

So you admit oxyacetalyne torches were used in the world trade center. Thankyou

Of course the structure formed a natural Jet burner effect a long chimney with air holes just like in the second picture.
Also you still did not answer what was burning in the first picture.

The oxyacetylene torch would work better don't you think if I actually turned on the Acetylene. There is no Acetylene going to the tip only oxygen and heated steel along with a little aluminum. It is a test to see what happens when you burn steel in proximity inside of Aluminum.
Charcoal was the fuel source the same as first fuel ever used to make steel.

" The combustion of iron and certain other (highly heated) metals in a pure oxygen flow is technically of great importance due to the accompanying huge quantities of heat - huge when compared with the unit volume of the metal, for iron, it is around 12900 cal/l compared with 2½ cal/l for hydrogen. A strongly condensed sharp oxygen jet, meeting a plate made out of malleable iron or steel at a location, which has been heated to about 1 350ºC, combusts the iron there into iron oxide and blows the oxide away. The heat tone of the combustion heats and combusts neighbouring sections; locations in the direction of the gas jet pass through the same process, and since this continues, you can make deep groves in plates and eventually cut them (autogenous). A metal can be cut autogeneously only when its temperature of brisk combustion and oxide melting point lie below its melting temperature. This is the reason, why cast iron, copper, aluminium, et al. cannot be cut, but only melted through. The combustion of aluminium into aluminium oxide (Al2O3) forms the foundation of alumino-thermics (H. Goldschmidt, 1899), which serves generation of high temperatures, especially for welding (rail links, large machine parts), but here the oxygen comes from the interaction of aluminium with iron-oxide. During the conversion of 1 kg thermite mixture, consisting of 3 parts Fe2O3 and one part of Al, there arise about 850 kcal. This enormous heat tone of the reaction is due to its rapid development during a few seconds; the estimated maximum temperature is 3 000ºC."

http://kr.cs.ait.ac.th/~radok/physics/j5.htm

Once you acheive a substainable mass of heated metal steel can burn in air.

You just have to have enough steel to continue the reaction, it is a critical mass relationship between the cooling effect of the air, and the Oxide Combustion reaction of the steel, If you heat the air, you need less mass to keep the steel burning.

 

[Piggy]

So, is that what you're saying, Docker?

Are you saying that the collapse which we see in real time on the video was caused by silent explosions?

And are you saying that these explosions caused the same sort of debris patterns which would be expected from a collapse?

Is that what you're saying?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

that appears to be a MAPP gas cylinder, which burns a bit cooler than acetylene, perhaps thats why you are having troubel working with steel

Mapps gas is acetylene, it is just not as Oxygenated as a forced Oxygenated Acetylene torch, and it is perfect for bending steel without over heating it and ruining the heat treating of carbon steels.
To much heat when you bend steel and the steel becomes brittle and breaks.

 

[gumboot]

I have come to the conclusion that Docker has no expertise in any area whatsoever.

I barely passed 6th form Physics (mainly because I made no effort to pass), and yet I learned enough in 4th form Chemistry to know that neither flesh nor wood are hydrocarbons.

I also know enough to know that hydrocarbon fuels produce some of the hottest fires man can generate.

I also know that any solid substance loses a significant percentage of its strength well before it becomes molten.

One thing I DO know a lot about is photographics, film and video. And, unsurprisingly, Docker's statements regarding photographic interpretation, "fast forwarded footage", and "types of microphone" demonstrate his understanding of these particular subject areas is about has strong as his understanding of basic chemistry.

Docker. With all respect. You have no idea what you are talking about. I humbly respect you listen to more knowledgable people and read the material they provide to you.

You may even learn something.

-Gumboot

 

[Bell]

What was that with the signatures again?

*points at signature*

 

[realitybites]

Would and flesh are indeed hydrocarbons.

"Would" is actually an auxilliary verb. Scientists have been trying to find the maximum temperature at which various parts of speech burn for decades now to no avail.

But it's reassuring to know that your command of science is on par with that of the English language.

ETA: Perhaps Judy Wood's tower trees were made of would.... Those would indeed be indestructible.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

That's exactly what it is, great for sweating in copper pipes, melting lead, and loosening bolts. Not so good at melting steel.

$39.95 at Home Depot - w/ the torch head.

29.95 at walmart with torch, My point is the mapps gas witch is naturally oxygenated hydro carbon will heat steel enough to allow it to bend.
The torch is simply a naturally oxygenated jet burner effect.

Also Iron-steel, and Aluminum are the only fuels burning in the top picture.
The Fuel Gage to the torch is not turned on no Acetylene is going to the torch head.

 

[beachnut]

So you have no source, Ok, as long as we know.

you have no sources,

my source is myself after studing CD for a year and backed up by

Danny Jowenko commenting on his theory of why WTC1 and WTC2

Danny Jowenko commenting on his theory of why WTC1 and WTC2

Danny Jowenko commenting on his theory of why WTC1 and WTC2

and of course I studied it for a year, RDX my thermite minded Alex Jones want to be

and your source of doltish quips

 

[beachnut]

So you have no source, Ok, as long as we know.

Denny Crane!

 

[Docker]

you have no sources,

my source is myself after studing CD for a year and backed up by

Danny Jowenko commenting on his theory of why WTC1 and WTC2

Danny Jowenko commenting on his theory of why WTC1 and WTC2

Danny Jowenko commenting on his theory of why WTC1 and WTC2

and of course I studied it for a year, RDX my thermite minded Alex Jones want to be

and your source of doltish quips

So explain how it would take a year?

 

[Docker]

"Would" is actually an auxilliary verb. Scientists have been trying to find the maximum temperature at which various parts of speech burn for decades now to no avail.

But it's reassuring to know that your command of science is on par with that of the English language.

ETA: Perhaps Judy Wood's tower trees were made of would.... Those would indeed be indestructible.

When a spelling mistake gets you that excited I know your on the ropes.

 

[realitybites]

When a spelling mistake gets you that excited I know your on the ropes.

Y.O.U.apostrophe.R.E. You. Are.

And what the hell would I be on the ropes for? You haven't done anything except post a picture.

 

[beachnut]

So you have no source, Ok, as long as we know.

actually my own study of CD resulted in the fact the WTC would have been taken down piece by piece since the PE in the WTC would overwhelm the local area with the destructive force of 248 tons of TNT as you released all that PE making KE, or something like that

but then most CT guys missed those dull days of Physics class!

or is that a false statement?

Got physics?

 

[Docker]

actually my own study of CD resulted in the fact the WTC would have been taken down piece by piece since the PE in the WTC would overwhelm the local area with the destructive force of 248 tons of TNT as you released all that PE making KE, or something like that

but then most CT guys missed those dull days of Physics class!

or is that a false statement?

Got physics?

They couldn't take it down piece by piece. They wanted something to look like a devastating collapse.

So tell me why would it take a year to place charges?

 

[beachnut]

So explain how it would take a year?

do you ever do your own research?

Question again, what a dolt I would be if all I did was to ask questions, is your only ability?

to ask questions, like a 2 year old?

Docker man, you will have to look this up and get back to us.

Go to CD guys or the library, and look it up, and get back to us please.

It seems you have lost the basic ability to think for yourself and just ask questions.

Why would it not take a year?

 

[beachnut]

They couldn't take it down piece by piece. They wanted something to look like a devastating collapse.

So tell me why would it take a year to place charges?

that is how long it would take.

How long do you think a CD operation would take?