Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[firecoins]

You´re wrong because caramel would have molten during the fires. It does not explain the explosives within the core at all.

caramel melts in your mouth! Not in a fire!

 

[Christophera]

it was just steel and wallboard, 2 pieces of 3/4 inch wall board

Find an image of the towers partially down that show the core colums in the core area. If you cannot find one consider there was a concrete core or, explain why the steel croe columns are not protruding from the top of what ever that is. Oh, explain what that is too.

concrete core​

this is why the guys trapped in an elevator were able to cut and dig through the wall board into a bathroom,

Some elevators were up against concrete on one or two walls, others had no concrete aroundthem at all.

why do you think the core was concrete and steel?

I witnessed the construction of the concrete core by watching a 2 hour documentary that aired on channel 10, KCET in southern California in 1990. Over an hour of it was basically about the concrete core becuase it was the real challenge in the construction, It was called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". I've been a welder for 35 years and worked as a survey for a civil engineer for 20 years often doing layout for concrete contractors. I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting. Also, operated heavy equipment on demo projects.

What is your experience and sources of information?

 

[Bell]

Find an image of the towers partially down that show the core colums in the core area. If you cannot find one consider there was a concrete core or, explain why the steel croe columns are not protruding from the top of what ever that is. Oh, explain what that is too.

concrete core​

Some elevators were up against concrete on one or two walls, others had no concrete aroundthem at all.


I witnessed the construction of the concrete core by watching a 2 hour documentary that aired on channel 10, KCET in southern California in 1990. Over an hour of it was basically about the concrete core becuase it was the real challenge in the construction, It was called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". I've been a welder for 35 years and worked as a survey for a civil engineer for 20 years often doing layout for concrete contractors. I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting. Also, operated heavy equipment on demo projects.

What is your experience and sources of information?

But did you use LSD?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting.

Mr. Brown and friend blowing things up real good!

 

[TjW]

I witnessed the construction of the concrete core by watching a 2 hour documentary that aired on channel 10, KCET in southern California in 1990. Over an hour of it was basically about the concrete core becuase it was the real challenge in the construction, It was called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". I've been a welder for 35 years and worked as a survey for a civil engineer for 20 years often doing layout for concrete contractors. I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting. Also, operated heavy equipment on demo projects.

What is your experience and sources of information?

I have lived in Southern California my entire life. KCET is not now and never has been on channel 10, and certainly was not on channel 10 in 1990.

ETA: There has NEVER been a broadcast station on channel 10 in the LA area.

 

[Christophera]

After years of "research," he doesn't even know which tower was where on the site. It doesn't get much worse than that

I've admitted I do not know which tower this image is from. It doesn't matter.

What matters is that you've tried to show what it is and absolutely blew it.

The below image is your image which you have no explanation for. I have shown with annotations and lines to fit it in with another image of WTC 2 from the east and show it is WTC 2.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3736&stc=1&d=1161654633

 

[TheFeds]

I have shown with annotations and lines to fit it in with another image of WTC 2 from the east and show it is WTC 2.

Restate that sentence so that it makes sense. Precisely what do you mean "fit it in with another image"? Are you proposing to superimpose it into another image? Are you comparing distinguishing marks and concluding that they are common to both images? Describe what you're doing; don't handwave and say that it's already proven.

And as for the image itself, are you seriously implying that each blue line represents a hallway? That means that there are six columns of hallways, not the one depicted in your concrete core picture. Per floor, how many hallways are there, and in which directions do they run?

This diagram does not match what you just attached. What's the explanation?

 

[Christophera]

I have lived in Southern California my entire life. KCET is not now and never has been on channel 10, and certainly was not on channel 10 in 1990.

ETA: There has NEVER been a broadcast station on channel 10 in the LA area.

I quit watching TV 7 years ago. You better too, it is getting to your brain.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Jerome_Al_19651539.aspx
...
Al Jerome, president of KCET (Cox Cable Channel 10), grapples with these issues every day. A former NBC executive, Mr. Jerome has been running Southern California's pre-eminent public television station for the past nine years. Last week, while in Santa Barbara for a board of directors retreat, he took time to discuss the challenges his station is facing, and propose some creative solutions.

 

[Bell]

But did you use LSD?

 

[bonavada]

And I've never said the PA applied the C4 coating, flat our error. The rebar was delivered with the coating on it.

well my my...WTF were you insinuating here then?:-

my bold

At about this time the videographers actually imparted a sense of mystery having to do with the core. Basically the entire documentary was about the core from then on out.

The videographers eventually found the big slow down in the construction to be the butt welds in the 3 inch high tensile steel rebar which arrived in 40 foot long sticks and had to be 100% welded, x-rayed, and recoated with the "special anti corrosion, vibration" plastic coating. The videographers in talking with concrete contractors found out about forced evacuations of the concrete crews pouring floors just prior to running the steel after the corrugated panels were sandblasted. They actually had video of the crews jogging between floors after the PA and the contractor got over the conflict the unplanned or announced stoppage of work was discovered by the contractor who threatened to sue because the stoppages over a few days had cost him about $7k in wages for workers who were sitting around waiting while the PA did some mysterious thing the videographers never did figure out.

I remember the video of the workers jogging showed the PA security guys standing in the adjoining hallway next to a stack of 5 gallon buckets waiting for the workers to clear the floor.

what exactly did those PA security guys have in the buckets? some of your ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊?

BV

 

[Christophera]

And as for the image itself, are you seriously implying that each blue line represents a hallway? That means that there are six columns of hallways, not the one depicted in your concrete core picture. Per floor, how many hallways are there, and in which directions do they run?

You need to read.​

It is stated that the towers had different hallway schemes. My diagram is of WTC 1 and it says so RIGHT IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE the diagram here,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

The fat blue lines are doorways and the thin blue lines are both side of doorways. Compare to the other linked image and you will see that the proportions fit and the light shining through works too.

 

[Christophera]

well my my...WTF were you insinuating here then?:-



what exactly did those PA security guys have in the buckets? some of your ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊?

BV

Okay, I thought you were referring to the core. Yes, it appears they were applying explosives to the floors.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Mr. Brown:

KCET - Los Angeles is on Channel 28.

 

[TjW]

I quit watching TV 7 years ago. You better too, it is getting to your brain.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Jerome_Al_19651539.aspx
...
Al Jerome, president of KCET (Cox Cable Channel 10), grapples with these issues every day. A former NBC executive, Mr. Jerome has been running Southern California's pre-eminent public television station for the past nine years. Last week, while in Santa Barbara for a board of directors retreat, he took time to discuss the challenges his station is facing, and propose some creative solutions.

A cable system can put programming on any channel that suits them. That does not change the fact that KCET identifies itself as channel 28. It does not, and never has, identified itself as channel 10.

 

[TheFeds]

I quit watching TV 7 years ago. You better too, it is getting to your brain.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Jerome_Al_19651539.aspx
...
Al Jerome, president of KCET (Cox Cable Channel 10), grapples with these issues every day. A former NBC executive, Mr. Jerome has been running Southern California's pre-eminent public television station for the past nine years. Last week, while in Santa Barbara for a board of directors retreat, he took time to discuss the challenges his station is facing, and propose some creative solutions.

Go here. Enter KCET. Select detailed output. Get this:

Mon Oct 23 22:25:23 2006 Eastern time

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Previous Record -- Next RecordKCET CA LOS ANGELES USA (Digital) Licensee: COMMUNITY TELEVISION OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Service Designation: DT Digital television station Channel: 59 740 - 746 MHz Licensed File No.: BLEDT-20000626AFV Facility ID number: 13058 CDBS Application ID No.: 506339 34° 13' 26.00" N Latitude Site in Mexican Border Zone
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Site
Elevation
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Above Ground
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Above Mean Sea
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-----------------------------------------------Convert to
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FAA: Obstruction/Airport Airspace searches CDBS: Station Info Application Info Mailing Address Assignments and Transfers Application List CDBS Search Page Ownership Info EEO Call Sign Changes Site: Region Map Area Map Local Map Area: Service Contour Map (41 dBu) Alternate Map Link ULS: Related facilities in ULS
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So, tell us again what channel KCET uses.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Again, for those new to the discussion:

Our friend, Christopher A. Brown, asserts the Twin Towers were originally constructed with explosive materials secretly built into each with the intent for them to be someday demolished.

And the reason you laugh and scoff? As a child you were hypnotized.

 

[TheFeds]

You need to read.​

It is stated that the towers had different hallway schemes. My diagram is of WTC 1 and it says so RIGHT IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE the diagram here,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

I've referenced an external source that says that the towers' floor layouts were largely identical. You have only referenced your own webpage to contradict me. You can't just make things up and call them proof. You need to do research. So, come back when you find an impartial source that tells you that the tower layouts were substantially different.

The fat blue lines are doorways and the thin blue lines are both side of doorways. Compare to the other linked image and you will see that the proportions fit and the light shining through works too.

That is nonsense. The resolution of those pictures is insufficient to positively identify a doorway. It could be something equivalently-coloured, like the paint on the wall, or a troll with a mirror. Unless you can identify a specific detail which is unique to a doorway, and present in the blue regions, you have no evidence to speak of. Identify the details, or retract your claim.

 

[Bell]

Again, for those new to the discussion:

Our friend, Christopher A. Brown, asserts the Twin Towers were originally constructed with explosive materials secretly built into each with the intent for them to be someday demolished.

And the reason you laugh and scoff? As a child you were hypnotized.

Mr. Kcin, as I told you before, your posts are great. Beautiful I will add now. Don't stop.

-Bell

 

[LashL]

Dear Christophera:

There were not and never have been concrete cores in the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York.

Please seek the professional help that you so desperately and so obviously require.

Love,
The Rest of the World.

 

[Christophera]

I've referenced an external source that says that the towers' floor layouts were largely identical. You have only referenced your own webpage to contradict me. You can't just make things up and call them proof. You need to do research. So, come back when you find an impartial source that tells you that the tower layouts were substantially different.

Read the survivors accounts and you will see that each tower had special training for the fire marshalls for each floor. The towers cores were so different that specific training for evacuations was required for the the different towers.

Oh, you have a problem with reading. You may never know the truth.