Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Oliver said:
You´re wrong. It was a jellyfish core.
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you are suppose to keep that a secret!

darn

just when I was going to say 20 to 30 floors start to move and destroy the next layer of support and carry that with the 20 floors mass, now 20 plus junk as it accelerates and hit the next bit of resistance which it over comes with a small percentage of energy which now as part of the 20+mass continues at a speed appropriate for the new mass based on the momentum at the time of the collision and now accelerates with gravity (so to say), and it then stricks the next resistance, and it continues moving at a speed minus the energy lost to kill resistance and base on the new overall mass and momentum at the collision. (most find it hard to think that the collision and failures are instantaneous and the mass continues to move, never stopping on a macro level, albeit with a new velocity based on the new mass associated with the collision)

I found it best to use floor by floor comparison, as to calculate the real mess would take years.

Floor by floor failure would, from my estimate, result in a 10 percent slow down over a straight gravity fall, of course most people do not realize that the mass is one of the keys in falling, and the larger mass has a higher terminal velocity. So the dust took the longest to land, versus the tons of steel which pretty much never reached terminal velocity

but other than the jelly core, I think CT guys missed the fact the collapse was not symmetrical, did not fall on itself, and did not happen in 10 seconds,

the jelly core, kind of fishy
 
beachnut said:
you are suppose to keep that a secret!

darn

just when I was going to say 20 to 30 floors start to move and destroy the next layer of support and carry that with the 20 floors mass, now 20 plus junk as it accelerates and hit the next bit of resistance which it over comes with a small percentage of energy which now as part of the 20+mass continues at a speed appropriate for the new mass based on the momentum at the time of the collision and now accelerates with gravity (so to say), and it then stricks the next resistance, and it continues moving at a speed minus the energy lost to kill resistance and base on the new overall mass and momentum at the collision. (most find it hard to think that the collision and failures are instantaneous and the mass continues to move, never stopping on a macro level, albeit with a new velocity based on the new mass associated with the collision)

I found it best to use floor by floor comparison, as to calculate the real mess would take years.

Floor by floor failure would, from my estimate, result in a 10 percent slow down over a straight gravity fall, of course most people do not realize that the mass is one of the keys in falling, and the larger mass has a higher terminal velocity. So the dust took the longest to land, versus the tons of steel which pretty much never reached terminal velocity

but other than the jelly core, I think CT guys missed the fact the collapse was not symmetrical, did not fall on itself, and did not happen in 10 seconds,

the jelly core, kind of fishy
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It fell in 4.231453 seconds in german time. You´re wrong.
 
Christophera said:
No. as long as it is providing proof that quashes unreasonable denial of facts. Unreasonably denying facts is considered spamming in the most rational circles .

To be reasonable you must post evidence with reason.
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therefore you are spamming, since you have no fact on a concrete core, or the fact you are ignoring the facts of no concrete core that have been presented to you

what does this mean?

There are a lot of false web sites who talk of concrete cores, there are even papers who call the WTC core concrete, but the upper floors have no concrete cores except in the floor, the floor pan was poured concrete

the core of the WTC towers in the upper floors was steel, wallboard, and fire coating, depending on the areas of the core

yes, you have to wade through tons of junk to find how the buildings were made, due to the fact most construction companies that make money do not share ideas with others for free, (opinion on why it is hard to find info on WTC design)
 
beachnut said:
yes, you have to wade through tons of junk to find how the buildings were made, due to the fact most construction companies that make money do not share ideas with others for free, (opinion on why it is hard to find info on WTC design)
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I dont know why he is resorting to online misinformed websites, when there are no less than 5 books* authored about the construction of these Towers, or the towers were one of the subjects about skyscrapers and construction, long before 2001 and 1993. So, is Chris now stating that the authors of these books are "in" on the conspiracy of keeping the entire project a secret?
Give me a break

The fact he refuses to use these books as research material shows that he someone who needs to see serious mental help.



*some books to research:
Twin Towers: The Life of New York City's World Trade Center (Hardcover)
The World Trade Center: Politics and Policies of Skyscraper Development (Hardcover)
Divided We Stand: A Biography of New York City's World Trade Center
City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center
Construction Technology for Tall Buildings
Skyscrapers
Form Follows Finance: Skyscrapers and Skylines in New York and Chicago
 
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Arus808 said:
I dont know why he is resorting to online misinformed websites, when there are no less than 10 books* authored about the construction of these Towers, or the towers were one of the subjects about skyscrapers and construction, long before 2001 and 1993. So, is Chris now stating that the authors of these books are "in" on the conspiracy of keeping the entire project a secret?
Give me a break

The fact he refuses to use these books as research material shows that he someone who needs to see serious mental help.



*some books to research:
http://tinyurl.com/upj9d][/B]Twin Towers: The Life of New York City's World Trade Center (Hardcover)
http://tinyurl.com/ybqqxx]The World Trade Center: Politics and Policies of Skyscraper Development (Hardcover)
http://tinyurl.com/yjpcu9]Divided We Stand: A Biography of New York City's World Trade Center
http://tinyurl.com/ygkelo]City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center
http://tinyurl.com/yahrsd]Construction Technology for Tall Buildings
http://tinyurl.com/yy8fkj]Skyscrapers
http://tinyurl.com/ykg38g]Form Follows Finance: Skyscrapers and Skylines in New York and Chicago
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Does it explain the Jellyfish-Core? If not, you´re wrong.
 
Arus808 said:
I dont know why he is resorting to online misinformed websites, when there are no less than 5 books* authored about the construction of these Towers, or the towers were one of the subjects about skyscrapers and construction, long before 2001 and 1993. So, is Chris now stating that the authors of these books are "in" on the conspiracy of keeping the entire project a secret?
Give me a break

The fact he refuses to use these books as research material shows that he someone who needs to see serious mental help.



*some books to research:
Twin Towers: The Life of New York City's World Trade Center (Hardcover)
The World Trade Center: Politics and Policies of Skyscraper Development (Hardcover)
Divided We Stand: A Biography of New York City's World Trade Center
City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center
Construction Technology for Tall Buildings
Skyscrapers
Form Follows Finance: Skyscrapers and Skylines in New York and Chicago
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It is almost impossible to find real info on the internet, you have to wade thru so much BS,

I have found what I thought were actual descriptoins of WTC core, and never found concrete to be in the core. There may be concrete at lower sections but you have to research real books; real sources, like you say.
 
Garb said:
What fires? I only see termates in the structure....
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The termates came with the planes but they had no effect to the jellyfish-core at all because jellyfishs favorite dish is termates.
 
Hey guys, Ya know, I think I've run my course on this little thread. Yea, I know I said I was through with it acouple a hundred posts back, but I had found better pictures, brushed up on my 3d forensic skills. I presented clear and definitive evidence that the core was steel; that there never was a concrete core. Backed it up I did. Everybody here has. We've presented clear, higher resolution pictures of the core and the supposed concrete wall that Chris keeps posting and pointing to .Yet he continually denies what the pictures shows, he avoids direct requests to point it out; always refering back to his blurry, low resolution pictures because it allows him to continue in his dilusion. Whenever he get pressed against the wall of reality he dreams up yet another insane, self-supporting manic dillusion about mohawk indians, C4 coated rebar, hypmotizim and a non-existant 4 hour PBS documentary. Which proves undeniably that Ole' Chris boy full goose, bats in the ass crazy. I don't think anybody here denies that chis is seriously mentaly ill.
Which brings me to my next point.
I'm reminded of a proverd I made up 10 minutes ago. "Who is more crazy, the gibbering maniac or the guy who argues with the gibbering maniac." Yes I admit I've been guilty of poking a stick the local crazy guy. But what does it say about me? (And look at what happened to poor Oliver, bless his soul.)
I know, what some people have said about sharpening thier debating skills, but how do you sharpen a knife on a wet noodle? Also there's some words about not letting a noobie looking at this train wreck and getting missinformation about the tragedy of 9/11. But I think it is safe to say that Chris's brand of raving lunacy is pretty self-evident.

Anyhoo, I'm done. I'll be poking around out of morbid curiosity. If I find something new I'll post for what it's worth. But I've had my fill of arguing with the gibbering idiot.

Have fun guys!
 
uruk said:
Hey guys, Ya know, I think I've run my course on this little thread. Yea, I know I said I was through with it acouple a hundred posts back, but I had found better pictures, brushed up on my 3d forensic skills. I presented clear and definitive evidence that the core was steel; that there never was a concrete core. Backed it up I did. Everybody here has. We've presented clear, higher resolution pictures of the core and the supposed concrete wall that Chris keeps posting and pointing to .Yet he continually denies what the pictures shows, he avoids direct requests to point it out; always refering back to his blurry, low resolution pictures because it allows him to continue in his dilusion. Whenever he get pressed against the wall of reality he dreams up yet another insane, self-supporting manic dillusion about mohawk indians, C4 coated rebar, hypmotizim and a non-existant 4 hour PBS documentary. Which proves undeniably that Ole' Chris boy full goose, bats in the ass crazy. I don't think anybody here denies that chis is seriously mentaly ill.
Which brings me to my next point.
I'm reminded of a proverd I made up 10 minutes ago. "Who is more crazy, the gibbering maniac or the guy who argues with the gibbering maniac." Yes I admit I've been guilty of poking a stick the local crazy guy. But what does it say about me? (And look at what happened to poor Oliver, bless his soul.)
I know, what some people have said about sharpening thier debating skills, but how do you sharpen a knife on a wet noodle? Also there's some words about not letting a noobie looking at this train wreck and getting missinformation about the tragedy of 9/11. But I think it is safe to say that Chris's brand of raving lunacy is pretty self-evident.

Anyhoo, I'm done. I'll be poking around out of morbid curiosity. If I find something new I'll post for what it's worth. But I've had my fill of arguing with the gibbering idiot.

Have fun guys!
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You know you wanna poke him again...


Come on...
 
uruk said:
Hey guys, Ya know, I think I've run my course on this little thread. Yea, I know I said I was through with it acouple a hundred posts back, but I had found better pictures, brushed up on my 3d forensic skills. I presented clear and definitive evidence that the core was steel; that there never was a concrete core. Backed it up I did. Everybody here has. We've presented clear, higher resolution pictures of the core and the supposed concrete wall that Chris keeps posting and pointing to .Yet he continually denies what the pictures shows, he avoids direct requests to point it out; always refering back to his blurry, low resolution pictures because it allows him to continue in his dilusion. Whenever he get pressed against the wall of reality he dreams up yet another insane, self-supporting manic dillusion about mohawk indians, C4 coated rebar, hypmotizim and a non-existant 4 hour PBS documentary. Which proves undeniably that Ole' Chris boy full goose, bats in the ass crazy. I don't think anybody here denies that chis is seriously mentaly ill.
Which brings me to my next point.
I'm reminded of a proverd I made up 10 minutes ago. "Who is more crazy, the gibbering maniac or the guy who argues with the gibbering maniac." Yes I admit I've been guilty of poking a stick the local crazy guy. But what does it say about me? (And look at what happened to poor Oliver, bless his soul.)
I know, what some people have said about sharpening thier debating skills, but how do you sharpen a knife on a wet noodle? Also there's some words about not letting a noobie looking at this train wreck and getting missinformation about the tragedy of 9/11. But I think it is safe to say that Chris's brand of raving lunacy is pretty self-evident.

Anyhoo, I'm done. I'll be poking around out of morbid curiosity. If I find something new I'll post for what it's worth. But I've had my fill of arguing with the gibbering idiot.

Have fun guys!
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I feel your pain, Uruk. I'm not sure who's head I want to bang to the wall, mine or Chris'... He has a serious mental illness, and needs to seek help.

Thanks for trying, btw.
 
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