Blown to Kingdom Come

Umm. Yeah. That's how they hid the bombs, and the persons running around setting up the bombs. Yeah. That's it.


Let's just ignore the "mostly hid" part of the article :boxedin:
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
On the side nearest us, there is no acceleration downward. THe downward acceleration is on the other side. Since there is no acceleration downward on the near side, there is no force (F=ma).
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Please stop lying. I already told you this was wrong, and referred you to the videos that you've already seen.

If you cannot stop lying, you need professional mental health care. Clear enough?
 
uk_dave said:
(cracks knuckles)

Where was Tom Cruise on 9/11?

Huh?
:confused:
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The Mission Impossible 3 actor has been criticized for suggesting the firefighters suffering the effects of smoke inhalation from the World Trade Center terrorist attacks to give up their medication as part of a 'purification rundown' no-expense-spared by his Church of Scientology elders.
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http://news.softpedia.com/news/Tom-Cruise-s-9-11-Comments-And-The-Scientology-Cure-14989.shtml

Still giving out medical advice.
Support of that quackery at tonight's event will cost you $6,250 – but as you'll also get "face time" with Cruise himself, your particular feelings about the healing properties of cooking oil probably shouldn't have to enter into it.
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http://www.cinematical.com/2005/12/14/tom-cruise-to-rub-oil-on-firefighters-or-something/

Their stupid cure is offered free to the firefighters, but costs way more than their current meds to regular folks, I am sure regular meds are less than four figures, which is what the rubdown reportedly costs. I guess that is why they are charging four figures to go see idiot cruise in support of this treatment towards firefighters.

Frick frick frick frick....

*gnashes teeth*
 
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Enlightenment said:
Is this what you believe Truthseeker?

Secret Conspiracy meeting:
Mr X: I have a plan to give us a reason to start a war in the middle east.
Mr Y: Let's hear it
Mr X: Our intelligence indicates that Osama Bin Ladin is planning to hijack multiple commercial airliners and send them into the Pentagon, the White House, and both WTC buildings.
Mr Y: WHAT THE... When did you...
Mr X: Hear me out. Allowing these events to take place won't be enough to convince the American civilians that we should develop a military response.
Mr Y: really?
Mr X: For effect, we must plant explosives in the WTC buildings and bring them down to ensure more death, because the shock of hijacked commercial jets flying into our government buildings and our financial base won't be enough. We need more.
Mr Y: BRILLIANT!
Mr X: BRILLIANT!
Mr X: Yes sir, I've done the research, and it seems like we'll need that extra punch to sway the public.
Mr Y: Well, let's not allow the plane to hit the pentagon, my friends work there.
Mr X; NO SIR. The pentagon must be targeted and hit. Otherwise, the public wont let us wage war in the middle east.
Mr Y: BRILLIANT!
Mr X: BRILLIANT!
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This is, like a modified LIHOP. No, I find LIHOP ridiculous. Rely on 19 who to do what? Never.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Please explain to me what you think is causing the concrete to become pulverized into fine powder, and then ejected outwards away from the direction of the falling top.
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Stop being such a maroon. Take some concrete building with a steel skeleton, now smash a hole in it with a plane going a bazzillion kms per hour. Then leave a hot hot fire smoldering in the middle of the hole of it for hours from the plane's exploding debris and jet fuel. Now, when the top starts to fall into the bottom because of melting steel, burning bits of building, and continues on down towards the ground as a result of the scenario, do observe the all the concrete smashing to powder on it's way into the lower floors and on to the ground. Do you really expect that some of that pulverized concrete won't fly up with all that force?

I have no idea why your ignorant brain is unable to comprehend why some of the concrete would be smashed to powder in this process, and why it couldn't be ejected outwards into the air with all that going on, but that is not my problem.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
This is, like a modified LIHOP. No, I find LIHOP ridiculous. Rely on 19 who to do what? Never.
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Ok, then what DO you believe? What is the big picture here? Why would we blow up those buildings? What is the goal?

If you're going to accuse the government of being responsible for 9/11, then you need to offer your reasons.

I'm ready.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Seriously, Eos. You posted a picture of the SouthTower. The top 30 floors or so are tipping away from us, toward the south. Large clouds of dense dust and debris are being ejected toward us and to the right, that is, to the north. That is the exact opposite direction from the way the top part of the building is falling.
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Have you never snapped a stick? What happens?

Stop expecting materials to behave the way YOU imagine they should behave.

Concrete shatters very easily. It has great compressive strength but very little tensile strength unless it is reinforced with steel.

Steel has very good tensile strength, but when it fails it does does rapidly....almost explosively

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzJ4YLbMF-Y

If the wtc columns are being pulled in one direction the mechanical fixings will be stressed until they fail rapidly, the rotation of the column causing the lower portion to move in the opposite direction to the upper portion.

Given that the columns were connected at floor level to the floor trusses, this movement of the columns would cause the connection with the floor trusses to fail, at the same time ejecting material in the direction of the column motion.

So, now you have two tasks:

1. Snap a twig
2. Have a sheet of glass dropped on your head

Preferably in that order.
 
uk_dave said:
So, now you have two tasks:

1. Snap a twig
2. Have a sheet of glass dropped on your head

Preferably in that order.
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I vote for the opposite order. Why ruin a perfectly good twig?
 
Enlightenment said:
Ok, then what DO you believe? What is the big picture here? Why would we blow up those buildings? What is the goal?

If you're going to accuse the government of being responsible for 9/11, then you need to offer your reasons.

I'm ready.
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Welcome to the forum, Enlightenment.

And good luck in getting a coherent or meaningful response from Troofy1234 to your legitimate question.

Her only point here is to start BS threads repeatedly so that she can restate all the same old arguments that she made before which were thoroughly demolished (with no pre-planted explosives required) on her prior threads.

She'll also change the subject repeatedly, won't answer straightforward questions with a straightforward answer - let alone a defensible one, will ask BS questions in response to legitimate questions, will never, ever provide any legitimate evidence to back up her claims, and she won't educate herself sufficiently to even begin to try to understand the facts and evidence.

She just spouts CT nonsense like so much projectile vomit.

Over and over and over and over and over again, without ever demonstrating even the slightest capacity to comprehend facts, evidence, or science.
 
So, that wold be no "destroying" for poor little old me?

For someone who keeps begging for proof and expanations, you're sure doing a great job of ignoring mine.

Has it occurred to you that this is why no one else will bother to jump when you command it?

Maybe if you showed some willingness to actually address a real argument in a real manner, other people would be more forthcoming.

But I won't hold my breath.
 
Gravy said:
As a reminder of how divorced from reality this troll is, this is the photo he uses to show "no piles."

Nope, no pile here. Nosiree. Move on. Nothing to see here, especially no "nonmetallic" material.

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Correct, no significant pile in the second picture. There is no macroscopic concrete, just a pile of powder. There is shredded steel. This represents, what, 1/10,000 of the material in the towers? Something like that. Observe the picture in the top link. THe twin towers were 7 times bigger than the black banker's trust building in the foreground. You cannot tell me that if these two towers simply "fell down" that they would leave this type of debris.

No, visible from the arial shot would be two buildings. There would be floors stacked up. Core columns would stick up. Even with zero air, all the material compacted together would be on the order of 8 stories tall, by 200 ft x 200 ft, times two towers.

There would be desks, and file cabinets.

We don't see anything like that.Even if the concrete somehow disintegrated, the steel floor pans would be stacked up. THere is simply no mechanism in your gravity collapse to explain the disintegration of the towers. So you rely on closeups of the mounds of dust, which only further confirm that the buildings were blown to kingdom come.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
There would be desks, and file cabinets.
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So, Mr Collapsing Buildings Expert, would the surviving desks be the ones that fell 110 storeys or the ones that had 110 storeys falling onto them? Or maybe the ones that had 55 storeys falling onto them, then fell 55 storeys, then had the 55 stories hitting them again?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
You cannot tell me that if these two towers simply "fell down" that they would leave this type of debris.
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Why not? All you are doing is looking at pictures and speculating with no knowledge of construction, engineering, or demolition. How are your assertions based on insufficient evidence any better or worse than anybody else's assertions based on the same insufficient evidence?
 
Shrinker said:
So, Mr Collapsing Buildings Expert, would the surviving desks be the ones that fell 110 storeys or the ones that had 110 storeys falling onto them? Or maybe the ones that had 55 storeys falling onto them, then fell 55 storeys, then had the 55 stories hitting them again?
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Uhhhh..... "C"!

No, wait. "B". Yeah, definately "B".

Of course maybe it's "A"....

Ya' know what, they say to always go with you're gut if you're not sure, so I'm going back to "C".
 
realitybites said:
Uhhhh..... "C"!

No, wait. "B". Yeah, definately "B".

Of course maybe it's "A"....

Ya' know what, they say to always go with you're gut if you're not sure, so I'm going back to "C".
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Besides, cookies start with "C"...
 
Belz... said:
I've seen a lot of pictures with big chunks of concrete in the debris pile. Might want to change your story, here.
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He won't until you show him those pictures. And none of that math stuff, he doesn't like it, and will just ingore you. And then he still won't change his story. Except to make the percentge of surviving material even smaller.

I know from personal experience.
 
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