Blown to Kingdom Come

[Horatius]

Hi Elizabeth nice link. All I see is obliteration, no sign of floor assemblies anywhere, and nowhere near 100% of the steel either.

I stand by my claim that about 99% of the non-metallic contents of both towers were rendered into fine powder.

Thank you for the excellent photos.

So, weren't you the guy who said he could destroy any arguments in favour of the official story of the collapse?

This will be one area where I destroy the chosen official theorist.

You can't even (or won't even) destroy my quite simple analysis of the dust, and yet you expect us to believe you can destroy the entire theory of the collapse? Come on, I'm waiting.

And while we're at it, how's the Great Debate going? R.Mackey and I still have a bet on, you know. I'm just wondering if it's time for me to concede or not.....

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Good Ed, no! Nobody could ever confuse TS1234 with the original Truthseeker!

Yeah, no kidding. I'm cheezed this cheesy cheeser would take on such a name and then say the towers were "blown up".

Yeah, like the planes never hit the towers, and I didn't watch them fall down on live TV on 9/11 with my own eyes, and neither did the people who were there watching them on the site with their own eyes. And all that amateur video didn't capture the towers coming down one after the other on 9/11.


There is a shot of a tower falling here:http://cnparm.home.texas.net/911/911/SouthTowerCollapse.jpg
http://cnparm.home.texas.net/911/911/911.htm

And Jihad hasn't been called for decades now,

==1966.Aug.--- > [•X] In Egypt, Nasser executes Sayyid Qutb for sedition. A leader of the conservative Muslim Brotherhood, Qutb had promoted the idea that true Muslims must conduct a jihad against all un-Islamic institutions and influences, including secular Arab regimes. This outlook will form the basis of the Islamist movement. Qutb wrote: “What should be our verdict on this synthetic (Western) civilization? What should be done about America and the West, given their overwhelming danger to humanity…? Should we not issue a sentence of death? Is it not the verdict most appropriate to the crime?” Qutb’s brother will later be one of Osama bin Laden’s college professors. [hiro1 / berg]

http://cnparm.home.texas.net/911/Backg/Backg1.htm


and the tower wasn't bombed years before in 1993 either.

==Feb.26 > [•XX] The first major Islamist terrorist attack within the US: the original World Trade Center bombing is carried out by Ramzi Yousef and associates from the Alkhifa Center in Brooklyn. Hoping to kill thousands by toppling the North Tower onto the South, the group detonates a 1500-pound bomb concealed in a rental van in a parking garage beneath the towers. The blast and the smoke from the resulting fires kill six people and injure about 1000. The $5000 terrorist operation does $300 million worth of damage, but the towers remain standing.

http://cnparm.home.texas.net/911/Backg/Backg3.htm

Seriously, the bomb couldn't create the fires and heat that the crashed planes did.

I'm just glad our TS would never be like this ridiculous imposer.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

All you have is claims. Care to show EVIDENCE for a change?

I have repeatedly shown evidence. THe photo at the top of this thread is prime evidence. Clearly, there is nothing left of either tower. There are no piles. There is a crater where 1 was. Come on. 99% of the non-metallic material is obliterated. There is no explanation for this except for strong explosives of some kind. Do you need to see the mushroom cloud again?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

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There is a shot of a tower falling here:http://cnparm.home.texas.net/911/911/SouthTowerCollapse.jpg

Eos, you have shown us a picture of the south tower blowing up. If you don't think so, please explain how all that dust and debris is being forced out of the near side. Clearly, the top 30 stories are tipping away from the camera. There can be no force pushing down on the near side.

Also, notice that the top is already shattered, as evidenced by the corner.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Yes, ignore the fact that a plane hit it, and the top is now FALLING due to the fact that there is no longer any support from the part that was smacked by the plane and completely obliterated by the resulting fire and destruction.

You must find this fun. It's like telling a kid that a horse is a cow. Well, we're not kids, and a horse is a horse.

Nice try, but this is not funny. It's offensive. I'm disgusted.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

You, sir, have come to the absolute best place in the universe to prove that contention! Just email Randi, explain your position about 9/11, and post his reply here.

That is my challenge to you. Agreed? If not, why?

OK. What's Randi's email address?

 

[Bell]

OK. What's Randi's email address?

James Randi's email address: randi@randi.org

http://www.randi.org/contact.html

ETA: $1,000,000 Challenge
Please direct ALL Challenge-related inquiries to the following email address:

challenge@randi.org



Jeezzz, do we have to do all homework for you? Took me 10 seconds.

 

[Brainache]

I have repeatedly shown evidence. THe photo at the top of this thread is prime evidence. Clearly, there is nothing left of either tower. There are no piles. There is a crater where 1 was. Come on. 99% of the non-metallic material is obliterated. There is no explanation for this except for strong explosives of some kind. Do you need to see the mushroom cloud again?

Since when is a six storey high pile of mashed up concrete and steel a crater?

The concrete wasn't obliterated it was smashed to small pieces by the effects of gravity. Do yourself and everyone else a favour and get a clue.

You really have no idea what shape the cloud of dust and smoke should have been if you think it would have been any different to the one which actually formed that day.

I have to ask you why you cling so tightly to your theory of explosives.

Why is it so compelling for you?

What does it mean?

Why do you try so hard to distort reality to make it fit your idiotic premise?

How is it even remotely possible to plant these explosives in the WTC without thousands of people being aware of it?

 

[Gravy]

I have repeatedly shown evidence. THe photo at the top of this thread is prime evidence. Clearly, there is nothing left of either tower. There are no piles. There is a crater where 1 was. Come on. 99% of the non-metallic material is obliterated. There is no explanation for this except for strong explosives of some kind. Do you need to see the mushroom cloud again?

As a reminder of how divorced from reality this troll is, this is the photo he uses to show "no piles."

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Nope, no pile here. Nosiree. Move on. Nothing to see here, especially no "nonmetallic" material.

Mr. Randi's email address is randi@randi.org.
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[Gravy]

http://cnparm.home.texas.net/911/911...erCollapse.jpg

Eos, you have shown us a picture of the south tower blowing up. If you don't think so, please explain how all that dust and debris is being forced out of the near side. Clearly, the top 30 stories are tipping away from the camera. There can be no force pushing down on the near side.

You are lying, TS. The ENTIRE top has fallen DOWN a good distance at that point, which you well know, since you say you've watched many videos of the event. Don't lie.

 

[Enlightenment]

Is this what you believe Truthseeker?

Secret Conspiracy meeting:
Mr X: I have a plan to give us a reason to start a war in the middle east.
Mr Y: Let's hear it
Mr X: Our intelligence indicates that Osama Bin Ladin is planning to hijack multiple commercial airliners and send them into the Pentagon, the White House, and both WTC buildings.
Mr Y: WHAT THE... When did you...
Mr X: Hear me out. Allowing these events to take place won't be enough to convince the American civilians that we should develop a military response.
Mr Y: really?
Mr X: For effect, we must plant explosives in the WTC buildings and bring them down to ensure more death, because the shock of hijacked commercial jets flying into our government buildings and our financial base won't be enough. We need more.
Mr Y: BRILLIANT!
Mr X: BRILLIANT!
Mr X: Yes sir, I've done the research, and it seems like we'll need that extra punch to sway the public.
Mr Y: Well, let's not allow the plane to hit the pentagon, my friends work there.
Mr X; NO SIR. The pentagon must be targeted and hit. Otherwise, the public wont let us wage war in the middle east.
Mr Y: BRILLIANT!
Mr X: BRILLIANT!

 

[gumboot]

Is it just me, or are the CT claims actually getting more stupid over time? I mean, sure they bring back the same old arguments over and over, but I remember a time when CTers actually made an attempt to justify their ridiculous arguments.

Where has that sense of logic and reason gone?

-Gumboot

 

[LashL]

Is it just me, or are the CT claims actually getting more stupid over time? I mean, sure they bring back the same old arguments over and over, but I remember a time when CTers actually made an attempt to justify their ridiculous arguments.

Where has that sense of logic and reason gone?

-Gumboot

It's not just you, Gumboot. Some of the CT claims are getting more stupid over time, as are some of the CTers.

And there's a certain "special" breed of CTers, such as TS1234, who are wholly incapable of rational thought, logic, or reason. You know, the kind who post a particular photograph and claim that it "proves" their unfounded assertions, even though it does nothing of the sort, and ignore all photographs (and a myriad of other objective evidence) that proves their unfounded assertions to be incorrect. Then, they post the same photograph over and over and over and over and over again, and make the same unfounded assertions, on as many threads as necessary, while continuing to ignore all other photographs and the myriad of other objective evidence that proves their unfounded assertions false.

And so on.

 

[Enlightenment]

There are so many other ways that our government could have justified everything they are doing in the middle east.

But no, our government decided on the 9/11 plan.

It's so obsurd that I don't even understand why you people waste energy arguing with people like truthseeker. It's like watching Mike Tyson argue physics with Stephen Hawking.

 

[uk_dave]

I'm wondering how long it will be before the CT'ers manage to spin this story into their fantasies:

Experts create invisibility cloak

A US-British team of scientists has successfully tested a cloak of invisibility in the laboratory.

The device mostly hid a small copper cylinder from microwaves in tests at Duke University, North Carolina.

It works by deflecting the microwaves around the object and restoring them on the other side, as if they had passed through empty space.

But making an object vanish before a person's eyes is still the stuff of science fiction - for now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6064620.stm

 

[Brainache]

I'm wondering how long it will be before the CT'ers manage to spin this story into their fantasies:

Experts create invisibility cloak

A US-British team of scientists has successfully tested a cloak of invisibility in the laboratory.

The device mostly hid a small copper cylinder from microwaves in tests at Duke University, North Carolina.

It works by deflecting the microwaves around the object and restoring them on the other side, as if they had passed through empty space.

But making an object vanish before a person's eyes is still the stuff of science fiction - for now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6064620.stm

Sorry Dave too late:

http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?t=61944&highlight=klingons

 

[uk_dave]

Sorry Dave too late:

http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?t=61944&highlight=klingons

Oh good grief.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Sorry Dave too late:

http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?t=61944&highlight=klingons

something im not sure was ever mentioned in that thread:

the romulans never referred to their ship as a "bird of prey" sulu simply commented that it was painted like a bird pf prey, and the name stuck

i dont believe we ever knew the romulan designation of that class of ship

i stand by my conclusions in that thread, it must have been a klingon bird of prey, specifically one that can fire while cloaked

 

[Brainache]

I'd like to see anyone invent a 9/11 ct that hasn't already been seriously proposed by some nutter somewhere. I don't think it can be done.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Yes, ignore the fact that a plane hit it, and the top is now FALLING due to the fact that there is no longer any support from the part that was smacked by the plane and completely obliterated by the resulting fire and destruction.

You must find this fun. It's like telling a kid that a horse is a cow. Well, we're not kids, and a horse is a horse.

Nice try, but this is not funny. It's offensive. I'm disgusted.

Seriously, Eos. You posted a picture of the SouthTower. The top 30 floors or so are tipping away from us, toward the south. Large clouds of dense dust and debris are being ejected toward us and to the right, that is, to the north. That is the exact opposite direction from the way the top part of the building is falling. On the side nearest us, there is no acceleration downward. THe downward acceleration is on the other side. Since there is no acceleration downward on the near side, there is no force (F=ma).

Please explain to me what you think is causing the concrete to become pulverized into fine powder, and then ejected outwards away from the direction of the falling top.