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Application Proposal - Mental Telepathy

I have been coming to this site for a long time now. It is only today that I joined. It is because of things that I thought people must understand when it comes to this kind of claims.

I suffer from schizoprenia which I hope you would understand.

Some sufferers experience what is called thought broadcasting. It means that you believe you can read peoples mind and vice versa. Let me tell you now that it is a terrifying experience. I used to sit in a dark corner of my room afraid that people might know that I am reading their mind.

The same is true with claims about telekenesis or power to inflict harm to others using witchcraft. Why would you like others to konw you have such a power. Isn't it more logical just to control the results of the lottery? And of course, if such a power exists, then you would not want the knowleged to be known as mankind is not ready for it. He'll just use it to terrorize others.

I had my first episode way back 1988 but it wasn't until 1998 that it was properly diagnosed. Let me remind you that the experience was terrifying.

Thanks very much for this post.
We need to be reminded that it is very likely that some of the people who make claims on this board are not always targets for ridicule, and we should be aware that there are many mental illnesses that manifest themselves as psychic claims, or paranormal experiences.
 
I have been coming to this site for a long time now. It is only today that I joined. It is because of things that I thought people must understand when it comes to this kind of claims.

I suffer from schizoprenia which I hope you would understand.

Some sufferers experience what is called thought broadcasting. It means that you believe you can read peoples mind and vice versa. Let me tell you now that it is a terrifying experience. I used to sit in a dark corner of my room afraid that people might know that I am reading their mind.

The same is true with claims about telekenesis or power to inflict harm to others using witchcraft. Why would you like others to konw you have such a power. Isn't it more logical just to control the results of the lottery? And of course, if such a power exists, then you would not want the knowleged to be known as mankind is not ready for it. He'll just use it to terrorize others.

I had my first episode way back 1988 but it wasn't until 1998 that it was properly diagnosed. Let me remind you that the experience was terrifying.

What do you think we should tell these people?
 
case sensitive said:
What do you think we should tell these people?

For people who makes these claims. They should be aware that schizoprenia also has that kind of symptoms. If they really believe it and they want to pursue to prove that they have such a power, then the first thing they should do is to demonstrate that to a psychiatrist.

To believe that you have such a power is fun a the start. If it is caused by mental illness, then it will get worse finally leading to paranoia.

People with mental illness thinks that they can read people's mind because they think there is a connection in things that the other person said and what they are thinking of at the time. For example, if the other person said "boat", the person with the illness would say, "yea, that's what I thought" when in fact he was thinking of a plane. That would not make sence to us but it would for the person with the illness.


As I said, I used to stay in my room for days as I was afraid of people. I would hit my head againts the wall so that pain instead of thoughts that I believed that can be read by others will be replaced by pain.

Also, the stigma associated with the illness should stop. I know that like blond jokes, it should not be taken personally. In any case, we should educate people about mental illness. A lot of people with the illness ends up living in the streets.

And for people with the illness, there is nothing to be ashamed of. You are in good company. A lot of people we admire has the illness or comes from families with the illness. There is Van Goh, John Nash and even the son of Einstien has schizoprenia.
 
Schizophrenia

People with mental illness thinks that they can read people's mind because they think there is a connection in things that the other person said and what they are thinking of at the time.

My understanding of schizophrenia is that it is arises from an inability to distinguish the relevant from the irrelevant. Therefore the sufferer experiences "significance" where there really is none, and comes to believe s/he is receiving messages s/he is not actually receiving. Is this accurate?

Mental illness runs in my family also, I totally empathize with you. And I agree, there is too much ridicule being doled out on this forum to people who quite likely suffer terribly at the hands of something they cannot control.

(although I must admit it is pretty funny sometimes)
 
timokay said:
Thanks very much for this post.
We need to be reminded that it is very likely that some of the people who make claims on this board are not always targets for ridicule, and we should be aware that there are many mental illnesses that manifest themselves as psychic claims, or paranormal experiences.

Thank you

osmosis said:
My understanding of schizophrenia is that it is arises from an inability to distinguish the relevant from the irrelevant. Therefore the sufferer experiences "significance" where there really is none, and comes to believe s/he is receiving messages s/he is not actually receiving. Is this accurate?

Yes, you are right. There is actually a psychiatric term for it but I cannot remember it now.

(although I must admit it is pretty funny sometimes)
I can take a joke. Even in the hospital, we make jokes about the illness. This joke was told to me a long time ago when I was first confined in the hospital.

How do you catch a squirell. Turn into a nut.
 
Filter theory of Broadbent.

osmosis said:
My understanding of schizophrenia is that it is arises from an inability to distinguish the relevant from the irrelevant. Therefore the sufferer experiences "significance" where there really is none

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Filter theory of Broadbent.

Those suffering from schizophrenia cannot filter out irrelevant information and thus processing mechanisms are overwhelmed.

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I've read the FAQ section but I can't find any mention of exactly what the preliminary tests are.

Does anyone know?

Dargo, have you finished reading the FAQ and the Application Form?

Have you had a chance to perform a self-test along the lines I described earlier?
 
Yes I have. Had a doctor witness the telepathy and he's signed on the dotted line with the words, "Telepathy seems to be very real with this couple".
 
Yes I have. Had a doctor witness the telepathy and he's signed on the dotted line with the words, "Telepathy seems to be very real with this couple".

Dargo
This is unbelievable! It would be the first time anyone here can give independent evidence that what they have is real. If you can scan this document into your computer and post it like a picture then that would be great.

You may send some of us blind. Our eyes will pop out when we read it.:D
 
What kind of doctor

Yes I have. Had a doctor witness the telepathy and he's signed on the dotted line with the words, "Telepathy seems to be very real with this couple".

You might want to shop around for another doctor. This one appears to have descended from ducks.


quack quack
 
[larsen mode] Evidence? [/larsen mode]

If Dargo posts the form we can see what was signed. My money though is that we will never see anything of interest.

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osmosis said:
You might want to shop around for another doctor.

Were you reading my mind? I just went out for a cup of coffee and suddenly, you posted exactly what was in my mind. :)

Anyway,

Dargo, as requested, please post the document from your doctor. I would suggest though that you request a refferal from your GP to be examined by qualified mental health professional. Be honest with them and tell the psyc doctor the reason why you want to be tested. Matey, it is very important that if you have a problem, then it should get arrested before it gets worse.

I believe we have the best mental health service here in Oz.
 
Yes I have. Had a doctor witness the telepathy and he's signed on the dotted line with the words, "Telepathy seems to be very real with this couple".

Concerning your application, how do you intend to proceed from this point on?

Can you propose a protocol for a preliminary test, Dargo?
 
We talk continually via thought. A protocol for a preliminary test is very easy to come up with. The question is, do I make the choice of how we find the words we'll be transmitting difficult or easy. It seems from previous post, making it difficult makes the testing worthwhile.
 
We talk continually via thought. A protocol for a preliminary test is very easy to come up with. The question is, do I make the choice of how we find the words we'll be transmitting difficult or easy. It seems from previous post, making it difficult makes the testing worthwhile.
I'll repeat my question, because it is important, even though you are probably trolling now:

How do you KNOW for CERTAIN that you and your friend are sending and receiving your thoughts ACCURATELY?
 
It isn't a question of being difficult, but of being random. You do understand that if you came in with a prepared list, that would be unacceptable because clearly your partner could have memorized the list.

Therefore, the choice of the words on the list should be randomized and the words should be selected only after your partner is isoated and has no physical means of learning what the word choices are. And once the list of words, however many you choose, has been determined, the list should be further randomized. The randomization is not meant to make telepathy difficult, but rather to eliminate the possibility of chance in your partner's detection of what you are sending. The more random the list, the better the test of psychic ability.
 
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We talk continually via thought. A protocol for a preliminary test is very easy to come up with. The question is, do I make the choice of how we find the words we'll be transmitting difficult or easy. It seems from previous post, making it difficult makes the testing worthwhile.

The question is: Since it seems very easy to you, will you come up with a protocol?

Have you considered posting the affidavit from your doctor?
You'd be entering new terrain in the history of the Challenge, because no one has yet come up with a valid affidavit.

Your hesitation does not really compute with a mil at stake, does it? No offense intended, Dargo, but I do not yet really buy your claim that a medical professionnal has witnessed your "telepathy" and signed a written confirmation.
 
Word Choice and the Gulliver Tests

We talk continually via thought. A protocol for a preliminary test is very easy to come up with. The question is, do I make the choice of how we find the words we'll be transmitting difficult or easy. It seems from previous post, making it difficult makes the testing worthwhile.

The answer is simple words. If the two of you can send and receive any 10 reasonably randomly selected words accurately, you'll win my respect. Please understand that JREF will provide the words and only under seal to the transmitter once the controlled test begins. The word list cannot be part of the written protocol. Below you’ll find how I’d phrase the word selection (in Test One).

That answered, it's time though to face the test more realistically. Let's set up two tests to convince some of us here in the forum that you indeed have abilities that JREF should test. Let's agree to
-Simple controls.
-Clear results.
-Very limited expenses.

Here's the concept. I'll produce a numbered list of 10 simple words. These words will be in common usage. I will cull the words carefully to prevent confusion. Words that have one or more homonyms (for example, “eye” and "I") will not be used. Words whose pronunciations vary such as "aluminum" will not be used.

In Test One, I’ll call both of you at a pre-arranged time on separate lines. I’ll ask each of you permission to record the calls. I’ll then ask both of you a couple of questions, including verifying that you believe that your special communications are currently working. I’ll the receiving person’s line on hold and read the list one word at a time, one every 10 seconds. I’ll ask the transmitting person to read back the list. If correct, then the test will proceed. If incorrect, the test restarts with a new list. (I’ll have ten lists at hand at the start of the call.) Next, I will place the transmitter’s line on mute and pick up the receiver’s line from hold. I will tell the receiver that I’m ready to hear the list. If I hear the same ten words in the correct order within two minutes, Test One will be considered successful.

The purpose of Test One is to convince the two of you that you should continue to Test Two.

In test two, we’ll introduce some controls to convince others. At least one of you will have to travel to a secure location. I’ll do my best to keep the expense and inconvenience to a minimum. I anticipate a travel distance of less than 20 kilometers. Otherwise, Test Two will use the same protocol.

Let’s agree that any of the following conditions constitute a failure: failure to answer the call, unexplained disconnections, failure to respond, and unintelligible responses.

I also will post the recorded audio here.

I invite your (and indeed every forum member’s) critique.

I look forward to your participation.

Encouragingly,
Gulliver
 
The answer is simple words. If the two of you can send and receive any 10 reasonably randomly selected words accurately, you'll win my respect. Please understand that JREF will provide the words and only under seal to the transmitter once the controlled test begins. The word list cannot be part of the written protocol. Below you’ll find how I’d phrase the word selection (in Test One).

That answered, it's time though to face the test more realistically. Let's set up two tests to convince some of us here in the forum that you indeed have abilities that JREF should test. Let's agree to
-Simple controls.
-Clear results.
-Very limited expenses.

Here's the concept. I'll produce a numbered list of 10 simple words. These words will be in common usage. I will cull the words carefully to prevent confusion. Words that have one or more homonyms (for example, “eye” and "I") will not be used. Words whose pronunciations vary such as "aluminum" will not be used.

In Test One, I’ll call both of you at a pre-arranged time on separate lines. I’ll ask each of you permission to record the calls. I’ll then ask both of you a couple of questions, including verifying that you believe that your special communications are currently working. I’ll the receiving person’s line on hold and read the list one word at a time, one every 10 seconds. I’ll ask the transmitting person to read back the list. If correct, then the test will proceed. If incorrect, the test restarts with a new list. (I’ll have ten lists at hand at the start of the call.) Next, I will place the transmitter’s line on mute and pick up the receiver’s line from hold. I will tell the receiver that I’m ready to hear the list. If I hear the same ten words in the correct order within two minutes, Test One will be considered successful.

The purpose of Test One is to convince the two of you that you should continue to Test Two.

In test two, we’ll introduce some controls to convince others. At least one of you will have to travel to a secure location. I’ll do my best to keep the expense and inconvenience to a minimum. I anticipate a travel distance of less than 20 kilometers. Otherwise, Test Two will use the same protocol.

Let’s agree that any of the following conditions constitute a failure: failure to answer the call, unexplained disconnections, failure to respond, and unintelligible responses.

I also will post the recorded audio here.

I invite your (and indeed every forum member’s) critique.

I look forward to your participation.

Encouragingly,
Gulliver

Here are the documented results of the most recent previous test of a similar claim. I see no reason why the exact same test cannot be used in this instance.

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/nguyen.html
 
Re-using Nguyen Protocol

Here are the documented results of the most recent previous test of a similar claim. I see no reason why the exact same test cannot be used in this instance.

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/nguyen.html

May I assume that you mean to suggest that potential applicant agree to use the "Nguyen" protocol for the JREF preliminary and not these two "Gulliver" tests? If not, may I point out that I'm not in the same hemisphere (in both senses) as the potential applicant and that while I love the culture of the Lucky Country I'm not keen to travel there for these two simple tests?

Jovially,
Gulliver
 

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