Be careful for what you wish!
FBI Complicity in '93 WTC Bombing- Debunk needed
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Be careful for what you wish!
pdoherty76
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such as?
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False. He said he would hold the government responsible if something like the 1993 World Trade Center bombing happened again.
Are you ever going to get your facts straight, pdoherty? Ever?
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ur wrong as usual. he called it an emergency and asked people to ring the whitehouse and get them to call it off. he was spookily accurate with his prediction
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More from Alex "Sylvia" Jones, courtesy Perry Logan:
"Within 2 years I'm predicting...that you're going to see a suitcase nuke in this country. You're probably going to see a release in a few years of something communicable. & I am predicting that you will see a lot of conventional bombings...in the next year or so." (10/18/01)
"I'm telling you now...there's a very good chance there gonna blow something up overseas or here." "The evidence is all tilting toward...blowing up a building. They're really setting us up for a smallpox attack." Chemical attacks are "almost a guarantee in the next six months or so." (9/26/02)
"Within 2 years I'm predicting...that you're going to see a suitcase nuke in this country. You're probably going to see a release in a few years of something communicable. & I am predicting that you will see a lot of conventional bombings...in the next year or so." (10/18/01)
"I'm telling you now...there's a very good chance there gonna blow something up overseas or here." "The evidence is all tilting toward...blowing up a building. They're really setting us up for a smallpox attack." Chemical attacks are "almost a guarantee in the next six months or so." (9/26/02)
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that is not predicting it. and the fact he believe the government is behind it shows why he is not an american hero.
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[edited, gravy beat me to it]
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You know what my mom said to me last night? She said; "You know, this pdoherty76 character is such a doofus." Since you have not countered her claim in the first 12 hours after it was made, as required by our family law, the statement is now true.
And quit worshipping other people.
pdoherty76
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maybe his warnings got the attacks called off
anyway, hes allowed to be wrong
gravy im waiting for an answer. WHY DOESNT GUILIANI, PORT AUTHORITY, FDNY AND OTHERS SUE ALEX JONES?
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He appears to like to cite AFP articles, and Stormfront seems to like him:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&q="alex+jones"+afp
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THATS PRECISELY WHY HE IS AN AMERICAN HERO, HE BELIEVES IN THE CONSTITUTION NOT THE MARTIAL LAW THESE IDIOTS ARE TRYING TO CREATE
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You have already had the requirements for libel/slander cases in the US explained to you.
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WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE, AFP ARTICLES ARENT AUTOMATICALLY WRONG
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I was not making a statement as to the accuracy of AFP articles. I was making the statement of Alex Jones' apparent fondness for citing the largest neo-fascist publication in the US as an information source.
More digging into neo-nazi involvement in the 9/11 "Truth" movement
Another high profile website that is often cited as a source of information for the 9/11 "Truth" movement is Alex Jones' website, prisonplanet.com Given what I have recently been enlightened to with regards to americanfreepress.net I decided to do some digging into Jones and see what skeletons might be in his closet.
First question up is, does Jones' have any high visibility interaction with AFP? Meaning, does he reference AFP or its affiliates. Let's do some digging:
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF...=prisonplanet.com&sitesearch=prisonplanet.com
This is a google search of the prisonplanet.com website for "american free press"
Here is the first page of hits:
National Geographic Channel and 9/11 PropagandaThe uncanny similarities between the Murdoch film and the subsequent events of 9/11 is a subject American Free Press has investigated, but one which has ...
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/240306Propaganda.htm - 54k - Cached - Similar pages
Bilderberg Exposed In Europe; Exclusive Reports ConfirmedTony Gosling, a European Bilderberg-hound-in-training, promptly faxed the documents to American Free Press. Gosling is one of many in Europe who have ...
www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg_exposed_in_europe.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
UExclusive to American Free Press. By Christopher Bollyn. CHANTILLY, Va. ... Both Miller and Smith were aware of Bilderberg from reading American Free Press. ...
www.prisonplanet.com/us_media_blackout_protects_conspirators.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages
Bilderberg Group Meeting 2004: Stresa, Italy, June 3-6American Free Press http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2004/061104silentmedia. htm. Cyprus represented for first time at secret Bilderberg meeting: ...
www.prisonplanet.com/archives/bilderberg/bilderberg_2004.htm - 39k - Cached - Similar pages
Who Is Bilderberg?By the Staff of American Free Press. The Bilderberg Group takes its name from the hotel in Holland where the group met in 1954, during the earliest period ...
www.prisonplanet.com/who_is_bilderberg.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
BILDERBERG PLOTTINGExclusive to American Free Press. By James P. Tucker Jr. When Bilderberg luminaries seal themselves off behind armed guards at the Westfields hotel in ...
www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg_plotting_to_bushwack_iraq.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Unexplained 9-11Exclusive to American Free Press. By Christopher Bollyn. A massive explosion, witnessed by millions of television viewers on CNN, evidently devastated World ...
www.prisonplanet.com/unexplained_911_explosion_at_wtc_complex.htm - 23k - Cached - Similar pages
Berg Lawsuit Filed On Behalf Of Another WTC Bombs WitnessAmerican Free Press/Greg Szymanski | May 24 2005. Philadelphia lawyer Phil Berg has never tried to climb Mt. Everest. In the past, he’s always attempted ...
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2005/240505bombswitness.htm - 43k - Cached - Similar pages
Ansar al-Islam leader threatens to document his links to US"I had a meeting with a CIA representative and someone from the American army in the town of Sulaymaniya (Iraqi Kurdistan) at the end of 2000. ...
www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_020403_general1.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages
Bilderberg Pushing World TaxExclusive to American Free Press. By James P. Tucker Jr. High on the Bilderberg agenda this year is the creation of a United Nations “Financial Action Task ...
www.prisonplanet.com/bilderberg_pushing_world_tax.html - 9k -Cached - Similar pages
Okay, so it appears he does at least reference their articles. Let's dig deeper. What about Liberty Lobby, AFP's parent publisher?
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF...=prisonplanet.com&sitesearch=prisonplanet.com
Hrm, sure enough. Not as many hits, but they are there.
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pdoherty76
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jones is not anti-semitic
he quotes those sources because they are independent
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I'm wrong "as usual?" Please show an example of me being "wrong."
I'm wrong in this case? Here's Jones' "prediction of 9/11." He is referring to the 1993 bombing, which as has been stated, Jones believes was allowed by the US government: "If you let some terrorist group do it, like the World Trade Center, we know who to blame."
Will you call for Jones to retract his accusations against the FDNY and Silverstein? Isn't that the least you can to do help people who have been so maliciously maligned by him?
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"Those of you who've seen Loose Change or read my critique of it are aware that one of its main sources of disinformation is the American Free Press. The AFP is relatively new, and lists its predecessor as a publication called the Spotlight. I did some Googling on the Spotlight but didn't turn up much in my brief search. A reader has just emailed me with some very interesting (and not surprising) information, reprinted with permission:
"Anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools."
-August Bebel
I just finished reading your excellent rebuttals to Loose Change and Loose Change 2, posted on 911Myths.com. I wanted to congratulate you on a job well done. I'd like to point out one thing, if I may, regarding your description of The American Free Press (AFP), which you correctly note is an "anti-Zionist", conspiracy-obsessed online publication. What you failed to note and what I think is of great importance in demonstrating the lengths to which Avery et al are willing to go to force the square pegs of history into the round holes of their claim, is that The AFP is not simply anti-Zionist(which I, personally, do not object to in and of itself) in orientation but is, in fact, the spin-off publication of the now defunct domestic neo-fascist organization, The Liberty Lobby, founded by American quasi-Nazi and conspiracist, Willis Carto. Formerly known as The Spotlight, The AFP is a perfect example of the "old wine in new skins" PR campaigns that many neo fascists and Third Positionist organizations have undertaken over the last few decades (perhaps best embodied by the current suit-and-tie public face of former (?) Klansmen and American Nazi, David Duke). While the pages of The AFP do not openly endorse things like Nazi-skinheads, Aryan Nations summerfests, Holocaust denial books and organizations, or sell Third Reich marching music CD's and Tapes, (unlike its former incarnation, The Spotlight) the fact that they proudly announce that their publication is "brought to you by the former staff of The Spotlight, who are now the publishers." should be more than enough reason for any serious researcher to keep a light year's distance between themselves and such a crackpot publication. Well, that and the piss-poor journalism advanced by its roster of rambling, reactionary, closeted and not-so-closeted Swastika-saluting scribes. Again, can someone tell me why Avery and his pals are relying so heavily on the neo-fascist AFP as a main source for LC2E? Could it be that they themselves, along with a growing number of so-called "alternative" researchers are, in some way, anti-Semites, or simply just fools? Is there a difference?
"Pope" Ralph Hernandez"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1794153#post1794085
AFP is probably as heavily referenced by 9/11 CT'ers as S. Jones' paper (http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html) (1)
Now, not wanting to commit the same errors in thinking that the 9/11 CT'ers commit, I did not want to take this at face value and decided to do some investigation. Here's what I have uncovered so far.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...l_meeting.html
In 2000, when yours truly was with the now defunct Spotlight, it was positively determined that Bilderberg would meet in the area of Brussels, Belgium, June 1-3. But the precise location was unclear.
http://64.233.167.104/custom?q=cache...29003121141183
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Liberty_Supplement.pdf
Final Notes . . .
American Free Press newspaper (and before it
The Spotlight) were the only newspapers in America
we know of to expose the facts about this brutal and
wanton attack before the truth was aired on the
Discovery Channel more than 30 years after the
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...rs_strike.html
The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Washington July 19, under auspices of the We the People Foundation, by Mark Lane, longtime general counsel to the now-defunct Spotlight and its publisher, Liberty Lobby.
So, there is a conclusive, and short, trail from AFP back to Liberty Lobby who is one of the biggest neo-nazi/Holocause-denier movements to have blighted the US landscape. (for a good summation of their antics I suggest reading Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things, or at least pick it up from the library and check out the chapters on Holocause deniers.
My concerns about this connection are twofold:
1) The neo-nazi/neo-fascist movement in the US is, unfortunetely, reletively strong due to our protection of speech (no matter how stupid or irrational). With this backing the 9/11 "Truth" movement will be able to reach a sizeable audience.
2) If people become involved in the 9/11 "Truth" movement and begin looking at AFP as a source of credible, "unbiased", and independent information this would provide the neo-nazi/fascist movement with exposure and opportunity to indoctrinate new people into their movement.
"Anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools."
-August Bebel
I just finished reading your excellent rebuttals to Loose Change and Loose Change 2, posted on 911Myths.com. I wanted to congratulate you on a job well done. I'd like to point out one thing, if I may, regarding your description of The American Free Press (AFP), which you correctly note is an "anti-Zionist", conspiracy-obsessed online publication. What you failed to note and what I think is of great importance in demonstrating the lengths to which Avery et al are willing to go to force the square pegs of history into the round holes of their claim, is that The AFP is not simply anti-Zionist(which I, personally, do not object to in and of itself) in orientation but is, in fact, the spin-off publication of the now defunct domestic neo-fascist organization, The Liberty Lobby, founded by American quasi-Nazi and conspiracist, Willis Carto. Formerly known as The Spotlight, The AFP is a perfect example of the "old wine in new skins" PR campaigns that many neo fascists and Third Positionist organizations have undertaken over the last few decades (perhaps best embodied by the current suit-and-tie public face of former (?) Klansmen and American Nazi, David Duke). While the pages of The AFP do not openly endorse things like Nazi-skinheads, Aryan Nations summerfests, Holocaust denial books and organizations, or sell Third Reich marching music CD's and Tapes, (unlike its former incarnation, The Spotlight) the fact that they proudly announce that their publication is "brought to you by the former staff of The Spotlight, who are now the publishers." should be more than enough reason for any serious researcher to keep a light year's distance between themselves and such a crackpot publication. Well, that and the piss-poor journalism advanced by its roster of rambling, reactionary, closeted and not-so-closeted Swastika-saluting scribes. Again, can someone tell me why Avery and his pals are relying so heavily on the neo-fascist AFP as a main source for LC2E? Could it be that they themselves, along with a growing number of so-called "alternative" researchers are, in some way, anti-Semites, or simply just fools? Is there a difference?
"Pope" Ralph Hernandez"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1794153#post1794085
AFP is probably as heavily referenced by 9/11 CT'ers as S. Jones' paper (http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html) (1)
Now, not wanting to commit the same errors in thinking that the 9/11 CT'ers commit, I did not want to take this at face value and decided to do some investigation. Here's what I have uncovered so far.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...l_meeting.html
In 2000, when yours truly was with the now defunct Spotlight, it was positively determined that Bilderberg would meet in the area of Brussels, Belgium, June 1-3. But the precise location was unclear.
http://64.233.167.104/custom?q=cache...29003121141183
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Liberty_Supplement.pdf
Final Notes . . .
American Free Press newspaper (and before it
The Spotlight) were the only newspapers in America
we know of to expose the facts about this brutal and
wanton attack before the truth was aired on the
Discovery Channel more than 30 years after the
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...rs_strike.html
The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Washington July 19, under auspices of the We the People Foundation, by Mark Lane, longtime general counsel to the now-defunct Spotlight and its publisher, Liberty Lobby.
So, there is a conclusive, and short, trail from AFP back to Liberty Lobby who is one of the biggest neo-nazi/Holocause-denier movements to have blighted the US landscape. (for a good summation of their antics I suggest reading Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things, or at least pick it up from the library and check out the chapters on Holocause deniers.
My concerns about this connection are twofold:
1) The neo-nazi/neo-fascist movement in the US is, unfortunetely, reletively strong due to our protection of speech (no matter how stupid or irrational). With this backing the 9/11 "Truth" movement will be able to reach a sizeable audience.
2) If people become involved in the 9/11 "Truth" movement and begin looking at AFP as a source of credible, "unbiased", and independent information this would provide the neo-nazi/fascist movement with exposure and opportunity to indoctrinate new people into their movement.
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There's also a martyrdom in persecuting and suing conspiracy theorists. That's why the US Government doesn't do it that often: because the CT can just say that they were being silenced because they're right, and the only one that wins is the CT's ego.
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Seriously, Pd'oh, you're a long, drawn-out joke with no punchline.
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...from thought.
Seriously, Pd'oh, you're a long, drawn-out joke with no punchline.
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