Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Oliver]

Please answer this, Chris:

If the Towers fell because a controlled demolition,
why is the "concrete core" still visible shortly after
the collapse?

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[defaultdotxbe]

Remembering is remembering. I never thought about how the concrete got up there, he told me and didn't know it.

being the master of hypnosis that you are im sure youve heard of hypnotic regression, i bet the folks here have lots of opinions ont he validity of that, suffice to say, no, remembering is not remembering

and according to your own words:

He said, "Is that where the concrete went?"

After a second I knew they were pumping and asked him, "So they were pumping concrete up?"

"Yes." he said.

he didnt tell you how the concrete got up there, you suggested it it was pumped and he agreed, whether its true or not, this is still a leading question, and my point still stands

why havent you addressed the 1983 documentary?

 

[Christophera]

and according to your own words:


he didnt tell you how the concrete got up there, you suggested it it was pumped and he agreed, whether its true or not, this is still a leading question, and my point still stands

why havent you addressed the 1983 documentary?

being the master of hypnosis that you are im sure youve heard of hypnotic regression, i bet the folks here have lots of opinions ont he validity of that, suffice to say, no, remembering is not remembering

and according to your own words:


he didnt tell you how the concrete got up there, you suggested it it was pumped and he agreed, whether its true or not, this is still a leading question, and my point still stands

why havent you addressed the 1983 documentary?

My question was based on his knowledge of what the concrete was doing there.

You would be the last person that would remember about remembering. Psychology even forgot.

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[uruk]

Those columns are not in the center of the core. They surround the outside of the core and were fastened to it.

"MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS"

After the area is cleaned a little, the remaining block of undetonated core wall stands adjacent to the MASSIVE interior BOX COLUMNS is easily seen.

Well there's acouple of huge columns there. Where's the concrete that's supposed to be there according to your "assesment"?
You pointed it out in your picture. It the same core. Where's the concrete?

 

[uruk]

My question was based on his knowledge of what the concrete was doing there.

You would be the last person that would remember about remembering. Psychology even forgot.

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You do know that the floors were concrete on corregated metal panels. Don't you think that the concrete was going up there for the floors?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

My question was based on his knowledge of what the concrete was doing there.

You would be the last person that would remember about remembering. Psychology even forgot.

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[Christophera]

Please answer this, Chris:

If the Towers fell because a controlled demolition,
why is the "concrete core" still visible shortly after
the collapse?

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Nice format job, can't miss that.

The towers had 2 delay systems at least. One for the core and one for the floors. Actually there was probably a third that worked with a vibration detector or a radio proximity trigger with a transmitter on the plane that initiated the explosions in the basement.

The system for the floors went ahead of the initial detonations that got the tops of the towers going by taking out the core at a high elevations, then the core went while the steel was near bottom and the thermite had gone off, but there was another type that was used low in the core because detonators set there must have been set months before and electric caps are too unstable to leave in. That extended delay was not very predicatable as to timing leaving the bottom of the concrete core momentarily.

 

[Christophera]

You do know that the floors were concrete on corregated metal panels. Don't you think that the concrete was going up there for the floors?

Oh yes, and the core too. But nobody saw much of that because it was being formed or it was below the major level of activity.

 

[Bell]

Oh yes, and the core too. But nobody saw much of that because it was being formed or it was below the major level of activity.

Jezus Christ, Cristophera. Get a hobby. Buy a Lionel train set or something. It would be more fun for all of us to see a F7 going round and around, instead of your thread going round and around.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Oh yes, and the core too. But nobody saw much of that because it was being formed or it was below the major level of activity.

i dont think you ever gave a good answer as to what the floors above the core were attached to untilt he core came up to meet them, or how the floors were securely fixed into wet concrete as it set

 

[Christophera]

Well there's acouple of huge columns there. Where's the concrete that's supposed to be there according to your "assesment"?
You pointed it out in your picture. It the same core. Where's the concrete?

Almost all the concrete got blowed up homer. Don't cry.

 

[Christophera]

i dont think you ever gave a good answer as to what the floors above the core were attached to untilt he core came up to meet them, or how the floors were securely fixed into wet concrete as it set

The floor panels were fastened to their hangers and the floor beams running out from the interior box columns and between them along the concrete core face. The floors wer'nt poured untill the core concrete pour was advanced and cured.

The documentary mentioned that they never did find any images of the filling in the last corners around the interior box columns prior to pouring the floors. That is when the tight fitting steel plates around the interior box columns were found.

 

[Oliver]

Nice format job, can't miss that.

The towers had 2 delay systems at least. One for the core and one for the floors. Actually there was probably a third that worked with a vibration detector or a radio proximity trigger with a transmitter on the plane that initiated the explosions in the basement.

The system for the floors went ahead of the initial detonations that got the tops of the towers going by taking out the core at a high elevations, then the core went while the steel was near bottom and the thermite had gone off, but there was another type that was used low in the core because detonators set there must have been set months before and electric caps are too unstable to leave in. That extended delay was not very predicatable as to timing leaving the bottom of the concrete core momentarily.​

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[Blue Mountain]

Jezus Christ, Cristophera. Get a hobby. Buy a Lionel train set or something. It would be more fun for all of us to see a F7 going round and around, instead of your thread going round and around.

He has a hobby. He winds up JREFers and watches us go round and round

 

[TheFeds]

The floor panels were fastened to their hangers and the floor beams running out from the interior box columns and between them along the concrete core face. The floors wer'nt poured untill the core concrete pour was advanced and cured.

So there were no concrete floors in place on the top few levels of the building, while the core was curing on those floors? Was this standard practice which was maintained for all of the floors?

And just for our education, can you accurately describe the structure of the floors? What type of concrete? What type and shape of steel? Who assembled them, and when?

The documentary mentioned that they never did find any images of the filling in the last corners around the interior box columns prior to pouring the floors. That is when the tight fitting steel plates around the interior box columns were found.

Also, ask yourself, why would a documentary produced around fifteen years ago need to mention that they never found these images? Doesn't that seem like a trivial thing to be spending time on, in a documentary? Of all the things they could cram into an hour or two, they chose the fact that they were unable to find some pictures? What was the significance of this?

 

[Christophera]

So there were no concrete floors in place on the top few levels of the building, while the core was curing on those floors? Was this standard practice which was maintained for all of the floors?

Yes, for both towers I believe.

And just for our education, can you accurately describe the structure of the floors? What type of concrete? What type and shape of steel? Who assembled them, and when?

Here is the WTC concrete schedule for floors. The 43rd floor and 75th were all structural stone concrete. About ten floors were for structural reasons. The lightweight concrete used in floors was batched on-site as was the core concrete. Steel for the floors was a fairly widespaced rebar with a heavy steel mesh. The steel and concrete was assembled and poured by large crews.

The architect, Robertson, did not handle the engineering for the concrete core. Yamasaki had done the original then handed it over to the PA who had thier own engineers make refinements or changes to Yamasakis basic plan. Meaning Roberston never had the concrete specs for the core.

Also, ask yourself, why would a documentary produced around fifteen years ago need to mention that they never found these images? Doesn't that seem like a trivial thing to be spending time on, in a documentary? Of all the things they could cram into an hour or two, they chose the fact that they were unable to find some pictures? What was the significance of this?

Actually I remember the documentary explaining that factor. And it was in the same passages that had the info on the steel plates with super tight tolerences around the interior box columns at the end. They said that they considered it a main aspect of their documentary and integrity to their grant to actually document all the relevant elements of the structure and that they had failed in that when it came to the floors but otherwise had succeeded in documenting as well as they had hoped, the rest of the towers.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

The floor panels were fastened to their hangers and the floor beams running out from the interior box columns and between them along the concrete core face. The floors wer'nt poured untill the core concrete pour was advanced and cured.

The documentary mentioned that they never did find any images of the filling in the last corners around the interior box columns prior to pouring the floors. That is when the tight fitting steel plates around the interior box columns were found.

heres a picture of them pouring the concrete floor:

on the right you can see a few core columns, obviously the floor was poured before the advancement of the "concrete" core

 

[bonavada]

heres a picture of them pouring the concrete floor: on the right you can see a few core columns, obviously the floor was poured before the advancement of the "concrete" core

OMG i think that man there in the foreground has a memory inhibiting hypnolaser!! maybe he's going to shoot the mohawks with it....!!!!

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[Belz...]

You cannot think that is a broken weld?????

A broken weld is about the most ragged edge you can find. Utterly clueless.

You still maintain that it couldn't just have been cut by the cleanup crew ?

Yes, by fall of 2002 I had remembered the basic structure from the 1990 documentary titled "The Construction of the Twin Towers? and most of the other details.

You mean you didn't remember before ? That's disconcerting.

The worker was a steel worker who did not remember the core material but rememberd that they were only allowed to build steel 7 floors over it.

Did not remember the core material ? Could be steel, then.

They have never even posted a picture from the demo of a steel core column sticking out the top of the tower.

Chris, we know you think all those steel columns were box columns. Of course, you're wrong.

They did not bucket the concrete. It was pumped up large temporary pipe up the core.

Huh ? Pump the concrete UP ? Dozens of floors ? This ain't water, boy. As Zaary said, if they're going to move the pump up with the building, why not simply use the regular technique ? Or was it really that important that no one knew that they were building a concrete core ?

Those columns are not in the center of the core. They surround the outside of the core and were fastened to it.

Prove it.

The towers had 2 delay systems at least. One for the core and one for the floors. Actually there was probably a third that worked with a vibration detector or a radio proximity trigger with a transmitter on the plane that initiated the explosions in the basement.

But WHY ? Why not just blow the core structure ONCE and let everything else fall by itself ? And why blow the basement ? It came down from the TOP !

 

[uruk]

Oh yes, and the core too. But nobody saw much of that because it was being formed or it was below the major level of activity.

Then the floors could not have been attached to a "concrete core".
If the core was the main structural support for the building, the core would have to be formed first, then the other structures attached to it.
In fact that is what you see here in the construction of this building.:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1993049&postcount=5114

If the concrete core was the main structural support, then it had to be formed first. The workers would have notice a concrete core whaile they were attaching steel to it.