The Admin-Tragedy "over there"...

[Oliver]

*LOL* What an unbelievable night ...

But i still wonder:

Was it a controlled demolition or not?
I mean the Forum was pulverized in a volcanic cloud of dust, no question...

 

[VBU2C5]

I'm gonna miss those guys, especially Mr. "you don't get the truth with answers, you get it by asking questions" you truly cannot make this kind of drivel up.

 

[Zep]

Wonder when Vince McMahon is going to strut out of the pyrotechnics and sign them all up...

 

[Brainache]

Wonder when Vince McMahon is going to strut out of the pyrotechnics and sign them all up...

Could you imagine Wrestlers for Trooth?
Maybe someone should set up a parody of the pilots forum...

Secret data reveals that the Pentagon was the victim of a forearm jolt from the top rope.

The Sleeper hold and a figure four leg lock brought down the towers...


Sorry I'm getting carried away.

 

[SwissSkeptic]

I like this post:

Russ is an agent?

Are you serious????

Why would Dylan Suspend Sanders for banning an agent?

How do you know Russ was an Agent??

... Reeaaally?

 

[Dazed]

Those agents are tricky! Unless you're Neo.

 

[Zep]

Troof, meet reality. Reality, troof. I don't think you've been introduced until now...

 

[LashL]

The thread that D'oh Boy posted as his last hurrah on a thread that has since been deleted was here before it was also deleted:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16600

And this is the thread in its entirety:

EDIT: The secondary thread that D'oh Boy linked to in the other deleted thread seems to have re-appeared as the link works again, after all of this (or maybe they just moved it??) ... but I'll leave it up for those who can't read the site, just the same. The thread that he linked it from appears to be still among the missing, though.

I am gravely concerned at the direction this forum is going. We were making significant progress...but there always seems to be a cancer out there that draws our focus away. In this case it appears to be RP.

I recommend the Grovers huddle YET AGAIN to resolve these issues. This playing with titles and board privilidges is FOR THE BIRDS and resembles nothing but a kiddie game. Let me give everyone a reminder on a few points.

1. This is a movement that is not about 1 person, site, documentary, etc

2. The people who are staff here.. DO IT FOR FREE, because they believe we should pursue all of the gapping holes in the official story and try to get resolve in them....WHEREEVER THE PATH LEADS.

3. The people who are members of this board to post.... BOTH TRUE SKEPTIC and Truther alike, come to this board for the same reasons mentioned above.

I say all of that (AGAIN) to say...it is unacceptable for anyone to threaten other members or staff on this board...ON ANY FRONT!!!! It is especially unfair for a member of staff to act this way. For RP to threaten to reveal JDX's identity is ridiculous and should not be tolerated.

Ladies and Gents... I am 35 years old...married...with 2 children and I do NOT have time for games. I come here to help this movement go forward. I do not care if people know things about me, but that is MY CHOICE. Matt has my telephone number and can get in contact with me at anytime. Anyone else want access fine by me. HOWEVER, it is also my choice if i wanted to remain anonymous. As JDX (Rob) does not want his personal details spilled over the NET...that is his choice.

So there is my 2 cents...we need to huddle on the RP issue ASAP. This will hopefully include a discussion with RP and Dylan. If not, this forum will continue to go in circles with the same BS that has plagued it since the days of Gypsy, KT, DJ, jackchit and every other troubling matter that has bogged down our energies and focus. Matt made a plea last week...now I am making one last plea.

Because Cary is our senior stateman and seemingly one of the more level headed HOMBRES here (and also someone who I am certain has no time for games) I would nominate him to coordinate a HUDDLE to get this latest fiasco resolved, which has resulted in the de-admining of two people (Merc and JDX) who have been very dedicated to this movement and to the progress of this site. I hope Cary you do not mind me throwing your name in the ring for this task. If you didn't accept I would understand and would not be offended because to be honest we all have seen this ACT before and its getting real old....

Nathan

Oct 12 2006, 12:21 PM

I'm with you Nathan


RP = Russell Pickering?

I agree DemolitionCrew. It's probably a good idea to work this little problem out before it get's out of hand.

I agree. Get Dylan in here, though. There is no point in us wasting time discussing this if he's just going to overrule whatever consensus we may get to. If you can't reach him directly, try through Quezinox and TheQuest.

Also, if there is something specific you can link to, that would be a good thing so we can all look at it.(I see JDX has provided that below.)

Russ Pickering Threats...


QUOTE
I am going to spend the money to find out every single thing I can about you, your credentials, your resume, your real name and age and whatever else comes up and publish it here, on the JREF forum and every opportunity I get. And if you are not who you say you are I will go even further than that.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7464532




Russ Pickering trying to stalk my personal info out of me on a public forum..



QUOTE
Who are you?
What is your real age?
What planes have you flown for employment?
When did you get your first FAA certificate?
Have you ever been a commercial pilot on a passenger airline?



QUOTE
Mine was not a threat. It was a promise. If my contact reports harassment to me I will keep my word no matter what the consequences. Period


More threads of Russ trying to stalk my personal info out of me on a public forum..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=15197

Almost every thread i have engaged Russ he has tried to provoke an emotional response based on my public anonymity. Yet has to be told time and time again i am not anonymous to people i know. I am anonymous to strangers.

LashL, a JREFer tried the same tactic for almost 15 pages at colbertnation when i repeatedly told him to debate the facts. I let it go for 15 pages to prove a point that a stalker will continue to stalk until personal information is released instead of debating the facts. I reported it to the admins and LashL: was banned immediately.
http://www.colboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=5059&start=240

If this gets reported to Invision TOS while showing favoritism for the offender, it will not look good for this board. I will protect my own interests.


Let me add... Russ has apologized for the first offense of threats, but he continues to this day to try and provoke an emotional response trying to stalk my personal information out of me on a public forum. He is unstable, and vindictive. I dont trust him.. period. At any time he can resort to the same threats once cornered.

My addition here: I was not banned from that board at all. He's wrong, as usual.

I wouldn't drop a single tear if Russel was banned forever or suspended for 30 days.

I can't for the life of me understand his level of effort vs. objectives, and how they in any way help uncover the Truth.

He obsufactes, ommits, ignores, and generally uses the spam technique to support the official story.

I understand the need to create a dossier of his actions, but I'm afraid that would only take more time and end up being something so huge and confusing that it would not be helpful.

Admins should concur that at the least, his actions and behaviour warrant a 30day suspension ban. Or at the VERY LEAST, require moderator approval for posting.

There are several methods of controll and punishment. You must think about the outcome and anticipate the reactions before taking any action however.

If you ban him, where will he go, what will he say.

I see no benefit to having him around.

Also keep in mind.. Glen Stanish, Co-Founder of Pilots for Truth is starting to be harrassed at his home. I spoke to him last night.

QUOTE (johndoeX @ Oct 12 2006, 01:43 PM)
Russ Pickering Threats...

QUOTE I am going to spend the money to find out every single thing I can about you, your credentials, your resume, your real name and age and whatever else comes up and publish it here, on the JREF forum and every opportunity I get. And if you are not who you say you are I will go even further than that.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7464532


WOW. Who the hell does this guy think he is? Threatening to find and post your personal information. That's a direct threat on your personal well being as far as I'm concerned. So let me get this straight.....1) He publicly invites JREFer's over here to debate and he's welcomed with open arms over at there forums? and 2)He threatens to find and post an individuals personal information on this forum?


How is this guy not banned? It's just ridiculous for me to even believe that this guy is still allowed to continually come to this forum and commit these acts of complete and utter ********.

This is definately something that needs to be worked out. I think the best way to do it would be in some sort of live chat where everyone can share their thoughts in real-time.

RP should have been immediately and PERMANENTLY removed as soon as his threats were made, and solely on the basis of those threats. WHY that did not occur is beyond me. EVERYONE should be treated equally and i see no reason whatsoever for this guy to be above the rules of this board. He should, rightfully, be perma-banned yesterday.

And RP is going to take this action up with JREF'rs before going to Dylan/LC team or admins/mods?

I have to admit I am not familiar with his work and haven't followed the situation but the above threat is reckless to the movement and that he can't see it tells me something is wrong with him.

I say suspend him indefinitely until we can determine what to do in the long run.

ANyone else?

there must be some legal action for his threats, i would think,

so whats the deal with him?...is he a truther? or a disinfo?.....hes yet to address that pentagon research site i found and posted..

EXCELLENT post DC.

He was already being discussed here.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...pic=15859&st=60

Pretty much everyone in the Grove and admin team wants RP out. The only person keeping him around is Dylan. So someone needs to call Dylan so he can put his .02 in. If he doesn’t, RP should be banned and removed from the forum immediately.

other then his threats to JDX... whats the deal with him?...

is he saying it was flight 77 that hit the pentagon? not that i am 100% sure one way or the other....im not dead set that it didnt....i mean if it can be proven then so be it...

but is russ distorting facts to put flt77 in the pentagon?

TD, the theory he is maintaining and trying to prove is that the Boeing was remote controlled into the pentagon. It’s a theory that is impossible to prove. And like Merc said, you get suckered into believing the official theory.

This post has been edited by MichaelMR on Oct 12 2006, 01:21 PM

IMHO, his only opinion, is that everything about the pentagon happened as the Official Story states, the only exception being Remote Control.

He totally ommits the Flight Data Recorder, and imo probably wishes it never saw the light of day.

I don't know, but even beyond that, he actions (threats/jref links) fully warrant punishment.

i have to admit i have turned away from his work once he started calling out merc and JDX.... wich is odd....why not compare notes instead of trying to say "it happened this way....end of story!"........

i dont wanna get anymore off topic, so ill just say i agree he needs to go....his refusal to compare notes is a huge red flag, in my book..

SIDENOTE:

we all need to understand he will most likely retaliate.

This post has been edited by on Oct 12 2006, 01:28 PM

Demolition Crew, and fellow Grovers,

Lot's of **** going down and everybody's up in arms. So let's see if we can lay out a plan that will involve everyone involved and get this handled. The Russell Pickering (RP) situation is rolling way out of hand.

DC, thanks for the nod on heading this up. I accept, and I'd like it to include Painter and Sanders as the admin group to head this up. Why Painter and Sanders? Because of the time zones covered with three of us - I'm CDT, Painter is PDT and Sanders is in Japan. That should cover pretty much 24/7 on the issue. Also, I respect these two guys wisdom and insight very much. This does not mean that I don't respect other admins or mods. I do very much. And we can't have everyone "heading this up." Also I think these two guys show the most "levelheadedness" and willingness to get things worked out for the benefit of the forum and the movement. I'll stop here on that. Sorry for not contacting Painter and Sanders ahead of time on this, and I hope you two gentlemen are willing to pitch in here.

I was thinking that we could start a pinned thread on this that Dylan could respond to. We could have that thread in the Grove, a Staff only thread or an Admin only thread. I'm under the impression that Korey Rowe and Jason Bermas are also admins here, but I don't know what their member names are. However Dylan and those in charge want to handle this, I'm fine with. I'll refer to Dylan and whomever else (Jason and Korey, I'm guessing) as "Dylan et al" in the rest of this post. It all depends on how many people's input Dylan et al want in this issue. If it's the entire Grove, or just staff or just admins is fine with me. My personal preference is for the entire Grove to participate, but I'm not attached to that venue. However Dylan et al want to handle this is fine by me.

This RP issue is divisive to the forum and damaging to the 9/11 truth movement IMO. It needs to be addressed ASAP so we can get back to more pressing and positive issues. The de-admining of volunteer admins who have demonstrated a consistent commitment to the 9/11 truth movement without explanation or warning is unjustified, unwarrented and reactionary at best IMO.

So Dylan et al, the ball is in your court. Where do you want to go from here? I hope we can move forward on this very shortly. You can reply here, email me or send a PM to me with your wishes. Thank you for your kind consideration.

Adding to all of that, he endorses a forum that is dedicated to harming the truth movement. If that isn't a hazard alarm, I have no idea what is. The mere fact that the JREFer’s support someone who is “a part” of the truth movement is beyond me.

It’s so painfully obvious.

I've gotten some threatening emails before. Posting people's personal info in hopes that other people will join in the stalknig is pretty freaking ridiculous. I don't know anything about RP or what he does/believes but that is BULL.

Lyte Trip and Merc will tell you more about RP's behavior.

He constantly omits/spins/ignores/threatens/provokes emotion/plays dumb/asks the same thing over and over.... while touting the official story of a 757 hitting the pentagon.

All you need to do is look in the pentagon forum and see the thread starters at the top. Click on a few of them to see what it contains.

Russ has been expending tremendous amounts of energy to "fit" a 757 into the pentagon. .and that is fine. But each time he tries.. he says it fits "perfectly". Then we point out all his errors.. he tries again. .and again.. it fits "perfectly". This has gone on for about a month. Every since we started releasing the FDR info and DC eyewitnesses.

Russ constantly argues and spins the FDR and eyewitnessess and has been caught in flat out lies. Lyte and Merc will tell you about his lies regarding witnessess.

He invites JREFers over here. They email each other and the JREFers praise Russ on their site.

When Russ is cornered, he resorts to trying to provoke an emotional response based on my public anonymity... of which.. when i used to talk with him on the phone, he has ALL that info. He is playing games to distract the reader. Its plain as day if you work closely with this guy.

Im sure when he is confronted with this, he will apologize up and down preying on the "judges" ignorance of the issues. He will basically play the innocent little kid/old man and say he wont do it again. He is manipulative and vindictive. You have to read all his stuff and exchanges to get a good grasp of his tactics.

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 12 2006, 01:59 PM

The Russell issue was just discussed in another thread, the jist being, the plan being, over the next day while I am sleeping and working someone (anyone) is going to PM links to posts where Russell is showing his colors.

Then I will peruse the threads, compile a dossier, ban him, and PM Dylan with a carefully worded explanation and examples of his demeanor. I elected myself to do it because I don't have any history with Russell, have never gotten in to it with him over anything, and Dylan doesn't know me from adam, and I don't mind taking the flak. I think it's time.

That's the plan, I think.

Sanders. .the most offending links are above.

The rest of his spin and tactics you are going to have to read through his threads to see what is going on... there isnt any one single set of posts we can offer (except for the offending links above). Its all in the progression of the threads. Click on any of his topic starters and read. You will see.

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 12 2006, 02:02 PM

Then it is done. Thank you Sanders. Good luck.

Regardless of Dylan et all's decision/reaction, life will go on and I could care less what Russ does. We have eyes on him in the Pentagon Section, and I've never seen him step outside it, so at least, it will just be more work for us to counter/contain whatever he's really doing.

Whatever happens to him as a meber of this forum or beyond, no hair off my head.

I am glad we were able to get at least a "next step" quickly to resolve this matter. Thank you to all. Of course we will have to wait for the response from Dylan but I think we have a consensus on this matter (perhaps unanimous).

It's time.

I have one more day on this job, them I'm totally free. I'll read through those links and put together a case representative of the facts, and take care of it. No worries.

THanks Sanders.

I'm really glad to see that there is such a consensus amongst admins about this.

It may be a hard sell to Dylan though.

My feeling is that RP should be permanently banned.

Mostly because I don't trust his motives anymore.

He is very smooth and pretty much comes off as professional and thorough for the most part so this may be part of why Dylan supports him so much.

But when you are in discussion with him his tactics become evident.

He literally mocks the notion that the damage at the pentagon could have been simulated and some witnesses planted and consistently frames me as a conspiracy theorist for asserting such a thing.

The irony is that he goes this far to make me look ridiculous while at the same time suggesting that he believes in controlled demolition of the towers!

But he doesn't research the towers. Or any other aspect but the pentagon.

And at the pentagon he insists on accepting every bit of evidence provided by the government (security videos & pictures of damage) as being 100% valid!


He flat out ridicules people that insinuate that evidence was likely planted or staged.

This runs completely counter-intuitive to someone who is supposedly investigating a world wide psyops plan of this magnitude. We KNOW that the collapse of the towers was staged and we know that something quite odd happened in Shanksville.

Ridiculing others that suggest they followed suit at the pentagon is no way for a 9/11 truther to behave and shouldn't be tolerated in this forum imo.


Furthermore I believe Merc and JDX should be reinstated as admins. Any issues with their "behavior" will disappear if RP is banned.

Thanks for the post, Lyte Trip, you said it all so clearly that I think it should go in the dossier, with your permission, and without your name attached, but rather just as a trusted Grover.

Again, no worries.

I just want to add that this issue was never resolved back at the end of September:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=15388

I assume this is a piece of "unfinished business" carried over from before the New Grove was created. As I recall at that time RP and JDX were removed from admin status. I believe JDX went back to admin and now apparently is not? -- Haven't been keeping up with this so I don't know the full storry w/ that.

The point is RP made threats against another member of this forum. Apparently that issue was never completely resolved. Why not?

QUOTE (Sanders @ Oct 12 2006, 09:50 PM)
Thanks for the post, Lyte Trip, you said it all so clearly that I think it should go in the dossier, with your permission, and without your name attached, but rather just as a trusted Grover.

Again, no worries.

Please do.

yes sir, we should hault all new grovers for a while, i think we have enough.

Let's be clear... We are having this dialogue based on RP's threat towards members of this board. There is no place for that here (if anyone suggests otherwise please DELETE MY ACCOUNT IMMEDIATELY).

Whatever he believes happened at the Pentagon, I personally could give less than a f@ck about, ESPECIALLY if it is based on conjecture and not evidence. Unless you have evidence all you are doing is providing equivalant the same lip service which was provided to us in the official story. So if you debate in the forums....GREAT!

But once that line is crossed we enter into a whole other realm which is offlimits. RP did that and susequently used the poorest of judgement. Where Sanders, painter and Cary take it from there I support. I am confident they will be able to find a just resolution to this matter. You never know the reaction you will get from a person. Had this been me vs JDX perhaps the problem would have been taken to RP's front door....you never know how literal one's online threat may be taken. This is precisely why the threats can not be tolerated! I look forward to getting closure on this matter.

This post has been edited by DemolitionCrew on Oct 12 2006, 08:14 PM

Looking for a response from Dylan et al.

Time is running out before i will be forced to protect my own interests.

I do not want to report this and put this board in jeopardy, but if the owners of this board condone threats of posting personal information on the web and this site, constant stalking of personal information to provoke an emotional response, I feel Invision should know that their free service is being used as a platform for these types of threats and behavior.

If these threats and behavior are condoned on this board, it can happen to any one of you. The material being exchanged here, the subject matter involved and the fact that people do get harrassed and sometimes "dissappear" regarding the topics discussed, it seems the owner of this board needs a rude awakening and this board might be better off shut down for the safety and privacy of its members.

Pilots For Truth is in its infancy. The only pilot who is public with his personal information who is a Co-Founder is already being harrassed in his home. We dont expect for it to get better. We are prepared for the worst.

You only get flak when you are over the target.
This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 12 2006, 11:46 PM

Don't do anything just yet, JDX. I think if Dylan doesn't have his say in the matter by tonight or tomorrow, RP should be banned with a detailed explanation emailed to him listing the rules he has violated. It doesn't make sense to wait on Dylan either, I doubt that he knows to the full extent of what has happened and why. The active admins who are knowledgeable on the issue should act on their judgment if Dylan doesn't make his.

That's how I see it.

QUOTE (johndoeX @ Oct 13 2006, 12:42 PM)

Time is running out before i will be forced to protect my own interests.

I do not want to report this and put this board in jeopardy, but if the owners of this board condone threats of posting personal information on the web and this site, constant stalking of personal information to provoke an emotional response, I feel Invision should know that their free service is being used as a platform for these types of threats and behavior.

If these threats and behavior are condoned on this board, it can happen to any one of you. The material being exchanged here, the subject matter involved and the fact that people do get harrassed and sometimes "dissappear" regarding the topics discussed, it seems the owner of this board needs a rude awakening and this board might be better off shut down for the safety and privacy of its members.

Pilots For Truth is in its infancy. The only pilot who is public with his personal information who is a Co-Founder is already being harrassed in his home. We dont expect for it to get better. We are prepared for the worst.

You only get flak when you are over the target.


WHOA !! Steady on there jdx mah man!! Shut down the board!! WTF?

I hope that they are the words of an exasperated and partly deranged man, because they are exceedingly damaging.

The PERPS want the board shut down. The AGENTS want the board shut down. The TROLLS want the board shut down. WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU WANT THE BOARD SHUT DOWN?!?

Yes, we want Russ banned because we believe that he is nothing but an agent. But please don't harm the Truth movement in the process.

Anywayz, these are my posts from the other thread about this situation:

QUOTE (Daniels @ Oct 12 2006, 02:27 PM)

I've had my suspicions about Russ for ages.

Recently I followed a link that a skeptic posted to prove his point about a plane hitting the Pentagon. After perusing the site I formed the conclusion that it was clever disinfor, and I told the poster that and warned him.

It wasn't until later that I realized it was Russ's site!

All the confirmation I needed.

QUOTE (Daniels Oct 12 2006, 08:47 PM)

in my view, every minute he stays on this forum he carries great weight with genuine skeptics and inquiring bystanders.

He can almost legitimately claim to be a truther, and one with strong ties to Dylan, and that his theories are very much accepted by a great number of "genuine truthers". Of course that would be bs but that is the kind of credence he can muster by being a member of the forum.

No Boeing at the Pentagon is one of the fundamentals of 9/11 Truth. If we entertain this guy any longer we are one step closer to oblivion.

The next articulate and eloquent agent will have many of us believing that there were no Controlled Demolition charges in the WTC. After that, 9/11 Truth is dead, apart from a few fringies that can be classified into the general category of no-hopers, and the perps get away with mass murder.

Really, the problem is, it is causing problems.

Here it's about 5 PM, I'll be working late, tomorrow when I get up I'll read as much as I can of what Russell has posted. I already started writing a letter to Dylan, it's very positive in tone regarding the forum lately as a whole and all the people here that who's good energy has made it that.

I wouldnt be shutting down the board. I dont have that power. I would be reporting an unstable member that you have on your boards to Invision in order to protect the safety and privacy of other members. Its up to Invision of what they want to do.

The safety and privacy of the the individuals on this board is more important than this board. It seems the owner of this board has blind trust in one of its members thereby condoning his actions. The Truth Movement and the individuals involved are bigger than any free message forum and will continue. Trust me, many things are in the works.

This board is a complete and utter disaster area due to the fact that the owner of the board doesnt take the time to inform himself of the facts surrounding this board. It is getting to the point of causing harm to members through threats when descisions in the best interest of the board are made and then reversed by the owner out of blind trust.

On that note.. The Producers of 9/11 Mysteries will be starting a new forum very soon. It will be a professionally run forum with excellent communication to share ideas and research. Sofia has asked me to manage her forum for her. She may pay an admin staff to do just that. We are currently in the design stage and more information will be forthcoming. Sofia is an excellent communicator and will let us manage the board as we see fit. She will not reverse anything without proper communication first. I am in direct contact with the person developing the forum. It will not be on a free server. We hope members that enjoy stress free sharing of information and research without the trolls or spin will find it enjoyable.

QUOTE (johndoeX @ Oct 13 2006, 04:20 PM)
I wouldnt be shutting down the board. I dont have that power. I would be reporting an unstable member that you have on your boards to Invision in order to protect the safety and privacy of other members. Its up to Invision of what they want to do.

The safety and privacy of the the individuals on this board is more important than this board. It seems the owner of this board has blind trust in one of its members thereby condoning his actions. The Truth Movement and the individuals involved are bigger than any free message forum and will continue. Trust me, many things are in the works.

This board is a complete and utter disaster area due to the fact that the owner of the board doesnt take the time to inform himself of the facts surrounding this board. It is getting to the point of causing harm to members through threats when descisions in the best interest of the board are made and then reversed by the owner out of blind trust.

On that note.. The Producers of 9/11 Mysteries will be starting a new forum very soon. It will be a professionally run forum with excellent communication to share ideas and research. Sofia has asked me to manage her forum for her. She may pay an admin staff to do just that. We are currently in the design stage and more information will be forthcoming. Sofia is an excellent communicator and will let us manage the board as we see fit. She will not reverse anything without proper communication first. I am in direct contact with the person developing the forum. It will not be on a free server. We hope members that enjoy stress free sharing of information and research without the trolls or spin will find it enjoyable.


JDX, i understand that this is a tough time for you and that you have been under attack by Russ for some time now.

But I have to jump in to the defence of Dylan.

That man is probably under more stress than all the rest of us put together.

He's on his own in this world. Who can he trust? Who can he take into his confidence when the full force of the technology, the resources, the psychology of the US secret services is at the disposal of the perps and is aimed squarely at him?

Gypsy: ingratiates herself to him as a dynamic and active truther. When we kick her off the board he has to somehow make sense of all that's being thrown at him from both sides and try to determine who is the agent, who is sincere, and who is just acting like a preschooler. Hell, I still don't know what Gypsy was all about and I don't have a shred of stress in my life (beyond getting pissed at some low-life troll from time to time).

Russel Pickering: again, ingratiates himself with Dylan as an active, capable truther but tries to turn the Truth movement around with his Boeing at the Pentagon BS.

Dylan is going to make mistakes because we all do. But more than that, he has no way of knowing if the person with the warm smile, the video evidence of their "attack" on the perps, and the firm handshake is in fact a disgusting, low down agent not worth spitting on.

I would encourage you to persue the forum with 9/11 Mysteries. The more Truth forums we have the better. And a more capable truther I could not imagine.

But I think we need to cut Dylan some slack in our judgement of him. My guess is that he is under a lot more scrutiny by the scummy perps and their scummy minions than we imagine.

I dont "blame" Dylan as a person and i feel Dylan has done some good work...

I blame his lack of communication, his knee jerk reactions based on lack of communication, and his reversal of decsions made in the best interest of this forum, again, due to lack of communication.

Dylan has alot on his plate. We have informed Dylan how to handle it. He hasnt taken that advice yet. His lack of interest in the forum will eventually lead to a member being harmed in one way or another. That I have no doubt. That is something I dont want to be a part of and I would feel irresponsible if i didnt warn others.

The information exchanged on this forum creates intense passion and emotion. It does pour over into real life. If anyone here believes criminal elements within our govt executed 9/11, you would be naive to think the same type of deception isnt right here on this very forum in order to do harm. Dylan needs to understand that actions performed on this forum can have a direct effect outside of the "virtual world". Im sure he has already has seen it in his own life in one form or another.

Dylan is a good person and im not attacking him. He just doesnt have his priorities in order and it will eventually turn around to bite him in the ass. Older members here will be able to relate. We all been there, and we all go through it in one way or another. Lets just hope Dylans neglect doesnt lead to another persons harm in order for Dylan to start paying attention and realize people are doing things in his best interest.

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 13 2006, 04:16 AM

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65964

Looks like the JREFers might also have access to this new Grove section as well.. The only people who know who de-adminned me are people from here...

QUOTE

Yesterday, 08:04 PM #71
mrfreeze
Thinker

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 234 JDX is no longer an admin by the way. Apparently Dylan removed him.

Either that or Russ told them via email. Considering they now have a thread over there addressed to and inviting Russ, i wouldnt be surprised.

QUOTE (johndoeX @ Oct 13 2006, 06:40 PM)
Looks like the JREFers might also have access to this new Grove section as well.. The only people who know who de-adminned me are people from here...

QUOTE

Yesterday, 08:04 PM #71
mrfreeze
Thinker

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 234 JDX is no longer an admin by the way. Apparently Dylan removed him.

Either that or Russ told them via email. Considering they now have a thread over there addressed to and inviting Russ, i wouldnt be surprised.

We should always remember that any one of us could be an agent. We have no way of knowing apart from the work that others do.

If trusted truther x starts spouting BS, it's time trusted truther x was shown the door -- he's been compromised.

Other than spouting BS, any admin can be a well-disguised agent, feeding info out to others, and we wouldn't know.

But that's okay. They can feed all the info they want. We don't have anything to hide.

QUOTE (Daniels @ Oct 13 2006, 11:58 AM)
We should always remember that any one of us could be an agent. We have no way of knowing apart from the work that others do.

The ones who refuse to acknowledge some facts in an attempt to steer our research in one direction or another should be scrutinized.

I've already expressed my views of RP. I truly don't like him. He tries too hard. You shouldn't have to try when conducting research. The research will uncover the facts and all you have to do is connect the dots. He intentionally avoids dots or tries to make them be what they are not. If JDX has no use for him, then he has exhibited classic, though sophisticated, troll/mole/agent behavior and should be dealt with accordingly.

Whoa JDX, the new Grove has not been compromised. Because these magets we call JREF'ers troll our board constantly they can go to any of your old posts and see that you are not an admin. When we do anything to our accounts (including signature, avatar etc) it refects throughout any post we have ever made.
I ask for calm at least until we hear from Dylan et all.
The older members of this board can appreciate the fact that were were once in our early twenties like he and the rest of the LC Crew. ME - I was .... let's just say I was not trying to solve a crime of mass murder and possible treason. When you are that age, you are truly entering adulthood with responsiblity starting to be thrust at you in many different directions. Most of us were chasing our life mate(s) (or at least some intimate action that best suited you), getting our first real job and what its like to be out from under mommy & daddy and having to fend for yourself.
Dylan et all have taken on additional responsibility to say the least. So be patient with and continue to support Dylan et al. However the older members of this board will appreciate this as well. When you were that age people were reluctant to hand you overwhelming responsibility and when they did they kept you on a short leash so you COULDN'T really mess up beyond repair.
That said you must be firm with Dylan et all.

If measures have to be taken with RP prior to hearing from Dylan et all...then TAKE THEM. Dylan et all will respond accordingly, there will be further discussion and we WILL get resolution. There are learnings with everyone. KT is a perfect example of this (I won't rehash). The RP situation will be no different but his threats will NOT BE TOLERATED! So let the clock tick some more, if we do not hear anything take action. I guarantee we will hear something soon after.

Is ANYONE going to address this issue? Its still happening and my patience is running VERY THIN. I have screenshots all ready to go for a nice package to Invision.


Its not Russell this time, but its starting to pour over from Russell because an example has been made that this is OK to do..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7695467

Please dont force me into something i do not want to do.

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 13 2006, 07:01 PM

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JDX, chill bud. RP ain't done **** yet. He steps on the cracks, burn his ass. Until then, you're just reacting. Thanks for your kind consideration.

JDX, this may help:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=14244

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Without sufficient B vitamins we become overly sensitive to slights and criticisms, retaliating inappropriately with anger and rage.

If you don’t eat red meat you will already know to take B group supplements. For the rest of us, we need to take our B group supplements daily as well.

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Reading for a minimum of 30 minutes each day is a sure way to reduce stress. It is so effective that it’s like taking a tranquilizer.

I'm serious. Don't let it get to you.

Ive been saying for a while that its a bad idea to stick with a free host.
This post has been edited by slick on Oct 13 2006, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (Cary @ Oct 13 2006, 09:32 PM)
JDX, chill bud. RP ain't done **** yet. He steps on the cracks, burn his ass. Until then, you're just reacting. Thanks for your kind consideration.

lol.. has everyone forgotten page one of this thread?

Russ has already made his threats. It hasnt never been handled.

Read your own post from page one... including al lthe links presented, the other thread up in the stickies, the numerous threads of threats from Russ. I feel like i have just entered into the twilight zone...

Here, i'll make this easy for all of you.

You have an unstable member on this board that has made numerous threats of invading the privacy of other members combined with numerous posts trying to provoke and emotional response to expose personal information. I have warned the owner of the forum numerous times as an admin of this forum as well as fellow administrators and then subsequntally de-adminned in what appears to be in favor of condoning these types of threats/actions. If these issues are not resolved within 24 hours I will ber forced to inform Invision as a responsibility to the remainder of the members of this forum.

This is not out of sour grapes, nor out of spite. This is about the safety of the members of this forum and many of you agreed at first. Now as time slips by, you are letting it slide it seems. I will feel irresponsible if i didnt at least warn the appropriate people prior to another episode of threats. Nothing may come of it, or it may be combined with other reports in the past and this board may be shut down. At this point its out of my hands. You have the violations, the links and the offending member.

As a reminder from page 1 which is still not addressed.

QUOTE
I am going to spend the money to find out every single thing I can about you, your credentials, your resume, your real name and age and whatever else comes up and publish it here, on the JREF forum and every opportunity I get. And if you are not who you say you are I will go even further than that.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7464532

QUOTE
Who are you?
What is your real age?
What planes have you flown for employment?
When did you get your first FAA certificate?
Have you ever been a commercial pilot on a passenger airline?

QUOTE
Mine was not a threat. It was a promise. If my contact reports harassment to me I will keep my word no matter what the consequences. Period

More threads of Russ trying to stalk my personal info out of me on a public forum..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=15197

Almost every thread i have engaged Russ he has tried to provoke an emotional response based on my public anonymity. Yet has to be told time and time again i am not anonymous to people i know. I am anonymous to strangers.

links will not work in this post due to direct copy and paste. Go to first page of this thread for the direct links.

24 hours.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7698340

JDX, what that will do is get this board shut down and he will STILL be able to get you on the JREF boards. It wouldn't be welcomed here anyway if he tried to "expose you."

Do you see what I'm saying? This won't benefit you, the truth movement (To the latter, it will greatly hurt it.) or Pilots for 9/11. All it will accomplish is get this board shut down.

I am on your side 100% and I want RP banned, but getting this board shut down isn’t something I or anyone here wants. Everything is being discussed on RP, EVERYONE wants him banned. It’s not just you. But if you really do this and you take the board out, I don’t anyone here will forgive it. You have every right to be doing what you’re doing, but shutting this forum down isn’t the way to go.

Please reconsider and wait before doing anything rash.

I dont want this board shut down in any way. And i understand where you're coming from.

But if i were still an admin and this happened to any one of you, it would have been handled by now.

No one here has the balls to stand up to Dylan and try to wake him the hell up...lol

Im not "shutting the board down". I am reporting a violation to the admin and owner here that is VERY serious. A member for Pilots For Truth is already being harrassed at his home. It doesnt seem like the admin here is taking these threats very seriously (well. .they did yesterday.. and now not today). So the next step is Invision. Invision may do nothing and it may just go on the pile of other reports and Russ can stick around here till the next threat on someone else.

Bottom line, an example needs to be set to show that this behavior is not welcome. If Russ does go to JREF and post personal information, I already have that covered.

Again, im looking out for the safety and privacy of members of this board. Everyone agrees. No one is taking action. The more time goes by, the more people get caught up in other issues. Yesterday this was very serious as per Cary himself (as well as everyone else..read page one), Today its "Chill out man.. ".

Well.. no.. it doesnt work like that.

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 13 2006, 11:19 PM

I agree, JDX man, there's better ways of doing this that will work for everyone. The consequences of breaking invisionfree's rules isnt a member getting banned or suspended, its the entire forum being shut down.. Is that really what you want?

Edit: Looks like you posted at the same time as I did, so ignore the question since you already answered it

I think instead of threatening to take it to invisionfree, we should think of other ways of solving this problem.

This post has been edited by slick on Oct 13 2006, 11:22 PM

Looks like its being handled now.

Again.. i dont want this forum shut down. You all agree he should be banned. You all have to grow some freakin balls.

Ok JDX, I can suspend RP's posting rights right now and leave it to the admins to determine whether or not he's going to be banned. There is more than enough reason to do so, is that what you want?

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7464532

What;s amazing here is nobody has stepped up to the plate and suspended Rp's membership over this post, which is clearly an over the top rules violation, and of the worst kind, one that violates invision;s rules.

Why are we waiting for dylan avery to give input before we ban or suspend RP? That;s outlandish, RP should be suspended immediately (actually days ago) and then we canw ait for dylan avery's input. Is that really such a frightening action to undertake? No. SO that;s what i am doing, right now. Flat out permanent suspension to the fullest extent i can provide with my limited powers. No posting or PMing for RP, since having either ability would allow him to use this forum to act on his threats.

lol! we warned him at the exact same time.

Now, if anyone here questions my identity or credentials.. i pretty much trust all of you to not spread it around the net..

Just ask me.. i am fully transparent and you can have any information you want.. right down to taking pictures of my certificate with todays newspaper next to it along with electric bills, my verizon phone.. whatever...

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 13 2006, 11:31 PM

Well JDX, I have no reason to not believe you, so Ill just take your word for it.

Well.. im sure Russ will try to poison the well somehow... so if ANY of you have doubts.. please come to me. You may have whatever you wish.

I do not want my name out on the net publicly yet.. it will get out there ewventually. that is inevitable. But im tired of the threats from those who cant debate the facts.. not to mention those threats should never be tolerated on any forum...

and they arent.

colbertnation banned LashL immediately for the same offense.. link on page one.

(edit: actually it was a lesser offense.. LashL was just trying to stalk me for personal information.. he didnt threaten to post it all over the net.. Russ stalks me almost everyday for personal info in almost every thread)

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 13 2006, 11:35 PM

My addition: wrong again - I was not banned from that site, contrary to his assertion. He does seem a tad obsessed with me, though.

Here.. i'll make it easy so people dont have to search...

http://www.colboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=50...3d775270348f6f3

That is the way stalkers should be treated.

Threats of spreading personal info and invasion of privacy should be an immediate ban.

edit: By the way.. LashL is one of the JREFers that praise Russ over at JREF.

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 13 2006, 11:39 PM

My addition: wrong again. I wasn't banned. I've posted there subsequently, as has been pointed out here weeks ago. Just more of D'oh Boy's selective and utterly untrue "reality".

And thank you HDB... i really didnt want to go to Invision for this.. and you saved me from having to... This board is too valuable to lose.. more valuable than the owner or any single one of us.

Guess who's back...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7699439

you people need to ban this guy.. IP ban him.. and change his name. This guy obviously called Dylan and cried over the phone to him. Blind Trust from Dylan will force me to send the Russ threats to Invision.. Im sorry guys.. but if Dylan reinstated this guy without talking to you guys.. Dylan is completely flaked out.

QUOTE (johndoeX @ Oct 14 2006, 12:47 AM)
Guess who's back...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7699439

you people need to ban this guy.. IP ban him.. and change his name. This guy obviously called Dylan and cried over the phone to him. Blind Trust from Dylan will force me to send the Russ threats to Invision.. Im sorry guys.. but if Dylan reinstated this guy without talking to you guys.. Dylan is completely flaked out.

That's why I was recommending calm yesterday JDX. We ban him, Dylan unbans him. I want the guy banned as much as you do. And we need Dylan to back that up. His lack of response to requests from the mods and admins is a concern to me. I don't know if he's that busy, but I have seen him on the forum pretty much everyday.

So here's another attempt on my part.

DYLAN ET AL, WILL YOU PLEASE FREAKIN' RESPOND TO THE RUSSELL PICKERING ISSUE BY EITHER

1) POSTING IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD,

2) PM ME, PAINTER OR SANDERS, OR

3) EMAIL ME, PAINTER OR SANDERS.

Thank you for you kind consideration and prompt response to the repreated requests of the mods and admins.

This is how its done.. admins and mods take note...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...dpost&p=7699680

Everyone just keep your skirts on. I am writing a letter to Dylan as we speak, I spent the last few hours compiling some posts to illustrate the situation. I will send Dylan a PM informing him of our collective decision and then ban Russell. Not before.

Yesterday I worked a 23 hour shift. Then I slept. I woke up a few hours ago and started on this right away. Give me another hour at least. Nothing is going to happen during that time, HTB didn't know any better and suspended Russell (thanks HDB, it was probably a blessing that you did that).

I've been reading though Pentagon posts (and Grove and JREF threads as well) for three hours now, can no one direct me to anything specific?

I've grabbed the threatening posts, but I would like some clarity on his theories and allegations that he ignores contrary evidence.

You can say that the evidence against Russell is all over the Pentagon forum, but it's not - I've been reading for hours. Its just Russell and JDX arguing about tedious stuff, I want to know what was said to get to this point.

This has transcended the ridiculous and become almost completely laughable. According to another Admin, last night (or this morning) dylan avery demodded me. I logged in today to see i am no longer a mod. That kind of made me laugh, since i knew right away what had happened. Then i went to check the grove to see if this had been the subject of any discussion, or even announcement, and HOLY **** dylan avery had also kicked me out of the grove also! That really pisses me off. I've been here for awhile and i have always, always, always tried to do what is best for this forum and encouraged people to do likewise.

Apparently Dylan Avery has ZERO respect for the people who have prevented this forum from becoming a wasteland of infighting, trolls, and spam.

This post has been edited by HotDogBun on Oct 14 2006, 01:24 PM

If you have been reading for 3 hours and you dont know if Russ believes AA77 hit the pentagon. .you are not reading in the pentagon forum...lol

Its all over the place.. look at his thread starters.. looks at Lyte Trip and Mercs exchanges with him. They both call him a flat out liar based on eyewitnesses. You'd have to ask them to help you with that... but im not sure if Merc has access to the grove anymore.

Chjeck the Citgo Video Thread... The Citgo Witness threads.. Lloyd England Threads.. stickies at top on witnessess. His flight path threads.. all of em.. showing how each flight path lines up "perfectly", then after i show him all his errors.. he makes another one that lines up "perfectly". Etc etc...

I really dont want to go start reading through that crap again as it will just piss me off. But its all there.. .

Again.. if you been reading for 3 hours and you havent figured out Russ believes AA77 hit the pentagon. .you are not in the right area... its all over the place in that forum...

QUOTE (HotDogBun @ Oct 14 2006, 02:21 PM)
This has transcended the ridiculous and become almost completely laughable. According to another Admin, last night (or this morning) dylan avery demodded me. I logged in today to see i am no longer a mod. That kind of made me laugh, since i knew right away what had happened. Then i went to check the grove to see if this had been the subject of any discussion, or even announcement, and HOLY **** dylan avery had also kicked me out of the grove also! That really pisses me off. I've been here for awhile and i have always, always, always tried to do what is best for this forum and encouraged people to do likewise.

Blind trust.. its gonna be the fall of Dylan...

If Russ comes back.. the package goes to Invision.. period..

Im tired of Dylans lack of communication and blind trust in others.

Not only has Dylan condoned the actions of Russ Pickering and the threats of invasion of privacy. .but he has de-admined 2 people and de-modded another in favor of those threats fro mthat person. Im sure Invision would really love to hear that...

Dylan .. you better wake the hell up before you destroy your forum. Perhaps thats what he wants?

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 14 2006, 01:30 PM

HDB. .your links, posts.. are screenshot and saved that you tried to handle the problem.. and the result. It will be added to the package.

This whole thread is saved.. all 3 pages.

It's done.

Sorry about HotDogBun.

Someone should de-admin Dylan... just for his own good...lol

kidding of course, i dont think the owner can be de-adminned. But if he doesnt wake up and see what is gonig on.. he will be ruining this forum..

This post has been edited by johndoeX on Oct 14 2006, 02:38 PM

Sheesh - that was frigging long for a copy and paste job! And talk about paranoia running deep. Wow.

 

[Blackadder_no]

I loved this one:

They must think we're all crazy highschool drama queens with no interest in spreading the truth.

Really?

 

[Oliver]

Sanders = Status: Unregistered

Killtown = Status: Banned

DemolitionCrew: Ex-Admin

BoneZ: Ex-Mod

Painter: Ex-Admin

HotDogBun: Ex-Admin

Anyone else?

 

[qarnos]

Sanders = Status: Unregistered

Killtown = Status: Banned

DemolitionCrew: Ex-Admin

BoneZ: Ex-Mod

Painter: Ex-Admin

HotDogBun: Ex-Admin

Anyone else?

What was Killtown banned for? Was he an "agent", too?

 

[SwissSkeptic]

What was Killtown banned for? Was he an "agent", too?

I think he was suspected of wanting to fill the administrative gap after everybody left.

 

[uk_dave]

WOW!

Now if I was a believer in conspiracies I would be thinking that this d'oh boy character is looking to usurp avery and get famous in the CT world with his own fan base of nutt.... I mean, 'truthers'.

But I don't, so I won't.

 

[celestrin]

As JDX (Rob) does not want his personal details spilled over the NET

Is this really JDX's name, or have I lost something, by just skimming over the original post over at the LC?

If that is the real name, this is bound to break some more ironymeters.

 

[Brainache]

Anyone else want access fine by me. HOWEVER, it is also my choice if i wanted to remain anonymous. As JDX (Rob) does not want his personal details spilled over the NET...that is his choice.

So now we know JDX's name is Rob. Good one Demolition Crew!

 

[weedwacker]

Is this really JDX's name, or have I lost something, by just skimming over the original post over at the LC?

If that is the real name, this is bound to break some more ironymeters.

lol... you people need to get lives. Wasting your every waking hour on people you think are nuts. I dont know whats more sad.. the nuts. .or the people that live to watch the nuts...


idiots...lol

 

[Oliver]

What was Killtown banned for? Was he an "agent", too?

I don´t know ... I can barely see within all the dustclouds...
But do they have plausible reasons to ban someone since their revolution?

 

[Brainache]

lol... you people need to get lives. Wasting your every waking hour on people you think are nuts. I dont know whats more sad.. the nuts. .or the people that live to watch the nuts...


idiots...lol

It's more entertaining than the crap on TV. No scriptwriter could come up with such a bizarre plot as has been shown today.

The dramatic irony is just incredible.

 

[Oliver]

lol... you people need to get lives. Wasting your every waking hour on people you think are nuts. I dont know whats more sad.. the nuts. .or the people that live to watch the nuts...


idiots...lol

Hey, it´s like "Dallas", "Startrek", "Seinfeld", "King of Queens" or whatever - but much more fun to watch...

 

[weedwacker]

You have run from my question enough. You claim this whole thing to have begun on Flight info's forum. I would like the link to that post. I have talked to a few posters there. None of them recall anything like what you state. Should be easy, if you are telling the "truth"!

Go fuk yourself.. spend the 10 bucks and go look... its there and its usually on top of the forum section.

Get a life jackass.. i cant believe you are willing to spend money to find out and idenetity of someone you think is nuts... freakin loser.

PM and reply to loser DogTown... what a jackass..lol