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Looking for challenge

webfusion said:
The Atheist ignores the previous efforts I have made already in this case:
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And that, I feel is the crux of your issue - that your attempts to become involved have amounted to nought. Come on, webfusion, harden up a little. I will note, however, that I have not disparaged your efforts at any stage. I don't include that as part of pandering to them, because you were going to ensure that Chris actually did something. But see it how you like.

Hey, feel free to question my credibility as well, but don't actually try and check for yourself - that's how sceptics go don't they; doubt, doubt, doubt. Hang on, what happened to question? Ask me anytime, but I repeat [for about the 100th time] that I have no responsibility to you or anyone else in these forums and I will not post personal information to suit a few narrow-minded people who can't be bothered to actually find out by engaging me in sensible discussion.

And one other thing, I don't class myself as a "sceptic" particularly. The meaning of sceptic is one who doubts paranormal and supernatural claims. I don't doubt them at all, I'm very confident that they're crap.

Why you're again trying to link the $25M thread, I have no idea, but feel free to keep trying that as well.
 
webfusion said:
On what basis will you accept claims to test? Will you really accept any? I think not.
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One final point is in answer to these questions. I will accept any claim of paranormal ability and develop a suitable testing protocol for any individual stupid deluded enough to think they have a paranormal ability. James likes to be seen as impartial; I don't. I like "paranormalists" to know they're up against someone who will humiliate them publicly.

I'm pretty confident that there won't be any challengers either. JREF is quite happy to arrange private preliminary tests to enable candidates to quietly melt away without public embarrassment. Not EA!
 
Hang on, what happened to question? Ask me anytime, but I repeat [for about the 100th time] that I have no responsibility to you or anyone else in these forums and I will not post personal information to suit a few narrow-minded people who can't be bothered to actually find out by engaging me in sensible discussion.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but, you sir, come across as a garden-variety ass. You know perfectly well that I wrote to you directly & offered to send $7500 as you requested, and your reply was :
"I'm going to have a private message chat to Thinktoomuch and if he wants to carry on, I'll remind him to contact you."

Whatever that means, yet nobody has contacted me.
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As of this minute, I am withdrawing that generous offer. I no longer wish to be associated in any way with EA, thank you.
Best of luck in your "Challenges" in future.
Of course, you don't expect there will be any ---- since there can only be "stupid deluded" people who apply. Great approach, dude (mate). :hit:
 
webfusion said:
Not to put too fine a point on it, but, you sir, come across as a garden-variety ass. You know perfectly well that I wrote to you directly & offered to send $7500 as you requested, and your reply was :
"I'm going to have a private message chat to Thinktoomuch and if he wants to carry on, I'll remind him to contact you."
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Well, since the $7500 was mentioned as part of the suggested $25M challenge and Thinktoomuch took the reins over, that's what I was referring to and let the matter drop. I mentioned several times that your offer was appreciated.
webfusion said:
As of this minute, I am withdrawing that generous offer. I no longer wish to be associated in any way with EA, thank you.
Best of luck in your "Challenges" in future.
Of course, you don't expect there will be any ---- since there can only be "stupid deluded" people who apply. Great approach, dude (mate). :hit:
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No worries - I am what I am and people can take me or leave me. I'll mark you down in the "leave" category.
 
Well, really, I thought this part of the forum was precisely to worry the para out of the paranormals. Call me "closed-minded," call me "irresponsible," (but whatever you do, call me! :D ).

A major problem I have with many woos is that they wish us to believe in the possibility of their claim(s) before they have demonstrated anything but a vivid imagination. When we refuse to do so, they have the temerity to call this attitude closed-mindedness. Darlings, it's not about belief!

Sorry, I'm with TA all the way in this.

M.
 
Moochie said:
Well, really, I thought this part of the forum was precisely to worry the para out of the paranormals. Call me "closed-minded," call me "irresponsible," (but whatever you do, call me! :D ).

A major problem I have with many woos is that they wish us to believe in the possibility of their claim(s) before they have demonstrated anything but a vivid imagination. When we refuse to do so, they have the temerity to call this attitude closed-mindedness. Darlings, it's not about belief!

Sorry, I'm with TA all the way in this.

M.
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Once in a while some naive soul doesn't know that the purpose of the One Mil Challenge is to show up the fakirs who con the public with paranormal claims and "services" or at least to put them on the spot the way James Randi does Sylvia Brownw in each week's Commentary. These apply thinking that its a kind of public service to allow an investigation or even a public demonstration that their supposed paranormal power is real. Sad! Then there are those who know exactly what the Challenge is for but have a confidence they can beat it. They assume, correctly, that the JREF isn't going to stack the deck against them or pull a weasal out of the hat.
It's a challenge, a throwing down of the guantlet, but the dual must be leagally fair. So there is a way of putting things a finesse of speech.
If the JREF says, "Our pupose is to "humiliate" anyone who makes a paranormal claim," even if that's what it's all about, who is going to take the Challenge seriously. If Jess Wagg tells the applicant, "We're going to humiliate you!" then, he'll question just how far the rules will be bent to insure his humilation.
So there is the civil talk, the good sportmanship speech. It's about having a credible challenge, so that the JREF can say to the public, "We deal an objective hand."

I would now say to Chris or anyone who believes thay have a clear demonstration of the "unexplained" that they should seek another venue, one that is investigatory in nature rather than a consumer alert. Not that I have any quarrell with the public service the JREF is doing. It's just that it puts the subject in a sensationalized frame.

If caring touch therapies do have move than just a marginal benifit to healing, the best best place to show that is in practice as opposed to a circus.
 
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So Chris,

You can straighten up the spine of those with scoliosis with your magic touch.

This is truely remarkable.
Billions of other people worldwide cannot do this, but you can.

Medical science has worked on this problem for decades (probably much longer), and their best efforts do not indicate any solution involving a magic touch.

Why you?
Do you have some special training or education that no-one else has?
(but this begs the question - if so, then who trained/educated you?)
Or have you stumbled apon some new thing that no-one else has noticed before. Why would you stumble apon it, and not others who are actively researching this area?

Seriously. Consider. Why you?
 
Macoy said:
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Welcome to the forums Macoy.
You will find many ridiculous claims around these parts.
Some are laughable, and some just look like plain ol fraud.
Almost all of them have an element of delusion about them.

I pretend to be the ghost who walks the streets as an ordinary man.
But who would believe a clown wearing purple tights, eh?
 
Flange Desire said:
So Chris,

You can straighten up the spine of those with scoliosis with your magic touch.

This is truely remarkable.
Billions of other people worldwide cannot do this, but you can.

Medical science has worked on this problem for decades (probably much longer), and their best efforts do not indicate any solution involving a magic touch.

Why you?
Do you have some special training or education that no-one else has?
(but this begs the question - if so, then who trained/educated you?)
Or have you stumbled apon some new thing that no-one else has noticed before. Why would you stumble apon it, and not others who are actively researching this area?

Seriously. Consider. Why you?
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While I mostly agree with the comments of the Superhero from the Southern Hemisphere, I do not care for explanations concerning "paranormal" abilities.

A simple demonstration will suffice.

So far, Christopher Pille, you have shown a great deal of patience. Please continue on your chosen path and try to demonstrate your "ability" while ignoring destructive voices on this forum. It comes with the territory.

No one in his right mind will bash you for trying - and possibly: failing - to demonstrate your claimed ability.

If you doubt my statement, please follow these links to view the voices on this forum after these two prelims:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39075 Angela Patel Test; start with post #41

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38792 Achau Nguyen Test; start with post #49.
 
Thanks. I will get my second application notarized tomorrow.

Flange Desire: I don't claim special power. Everyone can learn to do what I do.

I will give all details after I win the Challenge, when you will be more inclined to really listen. :)
 
Christopher Pille said:
Thanks. I will get my second application notarized tomorrow.

Flange Desire: I don't claim special power. Everyone can learn to do what I do.

I will give all details after I win the Challenge, when you will be more inclined to really listen. :)
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Sure, by all means do move forward in your application.

All else is just idle talk to pass the time of day ...

If everyone can learn to straighten scoliotic spines with a magic touch, then can you suppose why they (everybody) have not?
Why is it that only you have learnt?
Oh, and where did you learn it?
 
Your first and third questions I will answer after I win the challenge.

I have stated that I am not the only one who can do what I claim to do. Hence my silence about the exact nature of my claim.
 
Christopher Pille said:
Your first and third questions I will answer after I win the challenge.

I have stated that I am not the only one who can do what I claim to do. Hence my silence about the exact nature of my claim.
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I am loving this, sitting here on the sideline, collecting manure for the vegetable garden. Thanks, Chris.

(I do admire your confidence - just have regard the old proverb - "Pride goeth before a fall".)
 
Whoa!

Hyparxis suggests:
If the JREF says, "Our pupose is to "humiliate" anyone who makes a paranormal claim," even if that's what it's all about, who is going to take the Challenge seriously. If Jess Wagg tells the applicant, "We're going to humiliate you!" then, he'll question just how far the rules will be bent to insure his humilation.
So there is the civil talk, the good sportmanship speech. It's about having a credible challenge, so that the JREF can say to the public, "We deal an objective hand."

I would now say to Chris or anyone who believes thay have a clear demonstration of the "unexplained" that they should seek another venue, one that is investigatory in nature rather than a consumer alert. Not that I have any quarrell with the public service the JREF is doing. It's just that it puts the subject in a sensationalized frame.
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It is for sure not the JREF or Randi saying anything about public humiliation. You are confusing the brash tone and strident postings of The Atheist, (who has invented the un-verified 'EA Challenge' in New Zealand, out of thin air) with the proper, authoritative, investigative and 'good sportsmanlike approach of the JREF and James Randi.

I agree with you that IF Christopher were to encounter the attitude which you hypothesize in your statement above, he may have a good reason to seek another venue. I agree with you that IF Jeff Wagg drifted away from the civil speech and into the realm of the type of speech characterized here by The Atheist, then your suggestion to Chris (or anyone) to ignore the JREF Challenge would perhaps have merit.

However, none of that is in evidence, and the JREF does indeed say:
"We deal an objective hand" --- there is nothing sensationalized about what the JREF does, and in stark contrast to the hyperhumiliatory attitude of The Atheist, I see James Randi taking a cool, calm and level-headed attitude towards all who Apply.

In all the years I have seen James Randi in his various public appearances (primarily on television, going back to when I first noticed his efforts on the TONIGHT SHOW with Johnny Carson), he has been absolutely polite, absolutely fair, and absolutely the epitome of good sportsmanship.

It is why I have nothing but the utmost respect for the man and his mission, and why I am particularly upset with The Atheist for 'emulating' the JREF Challenge and coming here with this 'alternative' way of doing business ----- And exactly why I am now placing The Athiest on 'ignore' ------

Which, as T.A. has said, is fine with him: "No worries"
 
More good can arise out of a civil competition than from a petulant flamefest. I would rather have someone like Mr. Randi helping to publicize the results of a positive test, not someone with TA's attitude.
 
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