Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Holy lord, MK ULTRA! Are you serious? MK ULTRA was a complete failure. Everything they tried utterly misfired. LSD was so unpredictable that it was dropped. Sensory deprivation turned people temporarily and uselessly psychotic. The other drugs didn't do anything. None of it allowed the implantation of false memory. It didn't generally allow the extraction of information. The whole thing was as worthless as 3" rebar on 4' centers.

If you read the links, you would realize that very little is known about MKultra and that the CIA destroyed mass documents in 1972.

More importantly is the creation of memory barriers. If you can make a memory barrier, you can put false information in it and the person won't know it.

My post about "Inference One" and the valid research of psychology i use to support it are solid stuff. So solid that I've asked a few Ph.d.s of psychology about the inference and they agreed it was a valid inference. I asked them to give me a declaraton of such and they refused. FEAR.

The information explaining near free fall and total pulverization is valid as well.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html
 
EDIT: This is re: the documentary christophera described two posts back.

This is terrifying, the way the human mind can construct something like that purely from imagination.

From a psychological perspective, how does that work? You need this piece of evidence to exist and so the mind just cobbles it together? Maybe he actually saw some documentary and his memory has just twisted and augmented it beyond recognition, all to fit this theory he's latched onto?

Is that possible? I didn't think it was until now, because I think christophera really does "remember" seeing this, despite 100% of the evidence being to the contrary.

Fascinating. And scary.
 
Uh no, Chris. You never responded after you were suspended. You were asked to discuss the "wrong order" but you completely ignored it. On purpose, I assume.

How many others have you convinced of this mystical concrete core?

Not quite totally wrong.

I forgot it after the suspension but then remembered and asked Peabody to continue but he ignored it. I've brought it up a couple of times since, to him even. No show.
 
If you read the links, you would realize that very little is known about MKultra and that the CIA destroyed mass documents in 1972.

More importantly is the creation of memory barriers. If you can make a memory barrier, you can put false information in it and the person won't know it.

My post about "Inference One" and the valid research of psychology i use to support it are solid stuff. So solid that I've asked a few Ph.d.s of psychology about the inference and they agreed it was a valid inference. I asked them to give me a declaraton of such and they refused. FEAR.

The information explaining near free fall and total pulverization is valid as well.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

The only real difference between the images you posted and mine is that mine has better light on the core wall at its base and some of the objects covering it have been removed.

Clearly, what ever the minimal fire might have done, it bears no comparison to this damage. She's alive on the 94th floor. is that where your fire was?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3406&stc=1&d=1160267765

Multitudes of pictures and diagrams? Mountain of data?

You are exagerating and really have no evidence that is not deeply in question, whatsoever or you would have posted it

Here is hard evidence. No room for deception.

http://concretecore.741.com

Actually I assert that the infiltrators of the US government set 9-11 up. The US government is forbidden by law to do anything like that. So if people in government do that, they are no longer government. They are renegade usurping authority, certainly not "leadership".

If there are infiltrators should we expose them?

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Copyright violation over and over again.
Even to (own?) sites that live from copyright-violation
to "proof" the murder of 3000 people by the government.

Still without proof or any attempt to listen to the facts.


I´m not kidding, Chris. I´m getting really angry because of you. And i tried it in a peaceful way.

Don´t reply. Thank you.
 
In Southern California, KCET was channel 28, from at least 1968.

Another lie, courtesy of Christophera - also the only person on earth who has ever seen or heard of this alleged video.

NEWSFLASH: Made contact with an avid TV Guide collector from Los Angeles. He has issues of TV Guide from 1984 to present for most of California (why? who the hell knows???) and is going to search the PBS listings for this alleged documentary. We should know in a week or two whether the documentary ever aired... :D
 
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No, that is not the documentary I saw. That documentary was mentioned in the one I saw which was 2 hours in length. The 18 minute film was referred to in the beginning as a "Celebratory Documentary" relating to the completion of the WTC.

The documentary I viewed spoke of itself as the final documentation to the public of the towers and their particularly high cost, justifying that cost. It was done on a grant and started in 1987 taking three years to produce. The videographers first took every single photo and 16mm film clip and copied them all to VHS tape then logged the tape.
Copies went out with researchers who made appointments and visited contractors, designers and engineers as well as an occasional retired employees to resolve questions associated with the images they had.
The original camera people had not always recorded the date and floor level where things were shot. Sometimes a reel of film had nothing whatsoever written on it, so it was like a giant puzzle in time.

The first 20 minutes gave all that as the history of the documentary then it went into the construction of the pit, the slurry wall drilling and construction. The drilling of the bedrock where foundation reinforcements were set in the rock.
Then the foundation of the core and perimeter walls. At about this time the videographers actually imparted a sense of mystery having to do with the core. Basically the entire documentary was about the core from then on out.

The videographers eventually found the big slow down in the construction to be the butt welds in the 3 inch high tensile steel rebar which arrived in 40 foot long sticks and had to be 100% welded, x-rayed, and recoated with the "special anti corrosion, vibration" plastic coating. The videographers in talking with concrete contractors found out about forced evacuations of the concrete crews pouring floors just prior to running the steel after the corrugated panels were sandblasted. They actually had video of the crews jogging between floors after the PA and the contractor got over the conflict the unplanned or announced stoppage of work was discovered by the contractor who threatened to sue because the stoppages over a few days had cost him about $7k in wages for workers who were sitting around waiting while the PA did some mysterious thing the videographers never did figure out.

I remember the video of the workers jogging showed the PA security guys standing in the adjoining hallway next to a stack of 5 gallon buckets waiting for the workers to clear the floor.

I believe that clips of the video were sold to other video producers who made newer, sorter versions of the same construction documentary. I've met people who have seen these other productions. They were 1 hour it seems and there may have been as many as 3 of them.

the "core box columns" you refer to are not inside the core. They surround the core When none of the demo images show the supposed 47 steel core columns, it is a done deal because those columns, if they existed, would be of the strongest elements in the towers and would be seen.

Wait. I thought you said that you saw this documentary on PBS. Why does PBS have no mention of your particular documentary? If you say that the documentary was produced by KCET, why do they not have any mention of it? Why does the port authority documentary specificaly state and show steel core coulmns, Why does it never mention or show a cement core. Something big like a concrete core would be clearly visible in any video.
You are clearly lieing.
Show me this documentary. Show me where to find it. heck even show me any site or document which mentions this documentary I cannot locate any mention of it anywhere. Otherwise You got nothing. I will not consider believeing anything you say untill I SEE PROOF OF THE EXISTANCE OF THIS DOCUMENTARY.
 
Wait. I thought you said that you saw this documentary on PBS. Why does PBS have no mention of your particular documentary? If you say that the documentary was produced by KCET, why do they not have any mention of it? Why does the port authority documentary specificaly state and show steel core coulmns, Why does it never mention or show a cement core. Something big like a concrete core would be clearly visible in any video.
You are clearly lieing.
Show me this documentary. Show me where to find it. heck even show me any site or document which mentions this documentary I cannot locate any mention of it anywhere. Otherwise You got nothing. I will not consider believeing anything you say untill I SEE PROOF OF THE EXISTANCE OF THIS DOCUMENTARY.

My very ability to use the images as consistently as I use them is PROOF of something. How could I possibly identify these things if I didn't know? Obviously, by your very own doubt that they are not easy to interpret. But I do it and no one can reasonably deny that what they show is what I say they show. Sure, ............ deny all you want, but, ......... you ain't reasonable.

When I saw WTC 1 demoed on 9-11 I KNEW the documentary was gone. But I did't know why for a year. There is NO WAY the perps would allow that DOC to be available.

If you want to see it, be reasonable and realize that this image of the core has never been reasonably explained as anything but concrete. Support that FEMA may have lied, make it an issue. When the public hears that the design of the towers may be an issue of deception, they will remember and SOMEONE made a copy. We WILL see the documentary.
 
My very ability to use the images as consistently as I use them is PROOF of something. How could I possibly identify these things if I didn't know? Obviously, by your very own doubt that they are not easy to interpret. But I do it and no one can reasonably deny that what they show is what I say they show. Sure, ............ deny all you want, but, ......... you ain't reasonable.

When I saw WTC 1 demoed on 9-11 I KNEW the documentary was gone. But I did't know why for a year. There is NO WAY the perps would allow that DOC to be available.

If you want to see it, be reasonable and realize that this image of the core has never been reasonably explained as anything but concrete. Support that FEMA may have lied, make it an issue. When the public hears that the design of the towers may be an issue of deception, they will remember and SOMEONE made a copy. We WILL see the documentary.

Right. I knew you would come up this exact sort of excuse. You just confirmed to me that you are a liar. Your whole theory is based on a lie.
 
Wait. I thought you said that you saw this documentary on PBS. Why does PBS have no mention of your particular documentary? If you say that the documentary was produced by KCET, why do they not have any mention of it? Why does the port authority documentary specificaly state and show steel core coulmns, Why does it never mention or show a cement core. Something big like a concrete core would be clearly visible in any video.
You are clearly lieing.
Show me this documentary. Show me where to find it. heck even show me any site or document which mentions this documentary I cannot locate any mention of it anywhere. Otherwise You got nothing. I will not consider believeing anything you say untill I SEE PROOF OF THE EXISTANCE OF THIS DOCUMENTARY.

Chris has never seen the non-existent documentary that he's been yammering on about for the past three years on various forums; it's something that exists only in his imagination.

There has never been a "concrete core" in either of the twin towers, despite his delusional assertions to the contrary. The evidence of the steel core construction is irrefutable.

It's unfortunate that they didn't have concrete cores, which they clearly didn't, because if they had been concrete instead of steel, the buildings would have survived the impacts and fire damage a whole lot longer than they did, people would have had greater windows of opportunity to escape, and a lot fewer people would have died.
 
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.No, that is not the documentary I saw. That documentary was mentioned in the one I saw which was 2 hours in length. <snip>

The first 20 minutes gave all that as the history of the documentary then it went into the construction of the pit, the slurry wall drilling and construction. The drilling of the bedrock where foundation reinforcements were set in the rock.
Then the foundation of the core and perimeter walls. At about this time the videographers actually imparted a sense of mystery having to do with the core. Basically the entire documentary was about the core from then on out.

<snip>

An hour and 40 minutes on the concrete core? That must have made for some gripping TV.
 
I think my last post provides a reasonable explanation how the mass hypnosis was achieved. There is no denying that MKultra existed as a covert program.

We have nver known what the objective was. Perhaps, after 122 pages of this thread we are getting a clue.

As this is my 666th post I feel I should devote it to your devilish hypnotists.
I have to say you are seriously over estimating the man power and resources of the CIA if you think they hypnotised billions of people.

Why did they do it? So that one day in 2001 people all over the world would not be able to see concrete or remember a PBS documentary.

But it goes further than that, doesn't it Chris? The CIA is being run by the same sect of mystical Circassian Druids who built Stone Henge. These strange secret priests steal into kiddies rooms at night and hypnotise them into believing lies about the WTC before it has even been built.

The 123 pages of this thread have gotten us exactly nowhere. They have taken us on a merry-go-round ride through the bizarre landscape of your delusions. I once again implore you to hop off the brightly painted horse of your fantastic imaginings and grasp the brass ring of reality.

Only you can make it happen, but everyone will applaud you for it. There is no shame in admitting a mistake. There is however a great price to pay for clinging to lies and delusions. That price is usually paid by the people closest to you.

Please give it up and get some help.
 
Copyright violation over and over again.
Even to (own?) sites that live from copyright-violation
to "proof" the murder of 3000 people by the government.

Still without proof or any attempt to listen to the facts.


I´m not kidding, Chris. I´m getting really angry because of you. And i tried it in a peaceful way.

Don´t reply. Thank you.

Ok Oliver, I agree that he shows no proof, and is without any ability to grasp simple concepts, but I don't see where he is hotlinking. I see links to sites, and I see imaged uploaded onto the JREF imagehost, but I don't see where the image is shown here through a hotlinked img tag.

Am I missing something? Was there an edit?
 
Certainly not equal to the disrespect her memory and murder hinge upon to using red-orange flames within "critical thinking" as compared to a gaping hole in the opposite side of the tower.

Strawman, I never mentioned Edna Cintron when I showed that picture, so how is that disrespectful to her?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1981961&postcount=4791

Again, what do you think those huge fires did to the steel beams? I'll repeat a previous question, answer this time instead of dodging and showing pictures.

Bell said:
So heat from fire doesn't weaken steel? No building on fire would collapse unless an airplane crashes into it?
 
Bell is having a very hard time with the first and most fundamental aspect of the logic asserted here,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1207667

which defines exactly why the first tower hit, burnt worst fell last. A totally illogical sequence for collapse considering conditions and events.

A plane hit the tower, causing a big hole in the outside, and exploded. Huge fires raged across multiple floors. The steel beams on the outside weakend and failed to carry the load of the section of the tower above it. The tower collapsed.

I want the viewer to note that he has not even approached the "backwards sequence" question and is totally stumbling on the "tower top" direction fall issue.

The critical thinking club would question his motives about now.

I didn't stumble over that issue, strawman. I showed you a picture (because you seem to like pictures) of major fires on several floors and on the south side of WTC1. What do you think happens to steal beams when exposed to these fires?

My only motives the critical thinking club would be questioning would be why the hell I'm still argueing with you.
 
Ok Oliver, I agree that he shows no proof, and is without any ability to grasp simple concepts, but I don't see where he is hotlinking. I see links to sites, and I see imaged uploaded onto the JREF imagehost, but I don't see where the image is shown here through a hotlinked img tag.

Am I missing something? Was there an edit?

Yes you miss something - hotlinking is not my point: ;)

I´m not kidding, Chris. I´m getting really angry because of you. And i tried it in a peaceful way.
 
Oh, now you add lying to your repertoire...
Just popping in and saw the above.

Mr. Brown has been repeatedly lying throughout the thread; it is hardly a novel occurrence. That he does so in the face of clear and verifiable fact is further testimony of the astounding depths of his irrationality.
 
A plane hit the tower, causing a big hole in the outside, and exploded. Huge fires raged across multiple floors. The steel beams on the outside weakend and failed to carry the load of the section of the tower above it. The tower collapsed.

That is not called "critical thinking", that is called "generalizing" and "minimizing". Cognitive distortions. Exactly the thing that critical thinking exists to counter. Your attempt did not even address the impossibiity of anything but a toppling portion from either damage.

I didn't stumble over that issue, strawman. I showed you a picture (because you seem to like pictures) of major fires on several floors and on the south side of WTC1. What do you think happens to steal beams when exposed to these fires?

My only motives the critical thinking club would be questioning would be why the hell I'm still argueing with you.

You have again generalized the issue of heat and steel. NOTHING happens to steel columns when exposed to red orange flames for an hour or two. NOTHING. It's all in you head, just where the perps want it.

It was an impressive picture, and .... if it were a wooben tower it would be very meaningful. Red orange flames are relatively cool. If the perimeter columns were set horizontal at an optimum height over such flames for a week, they still would not loose significant strength.

Have you ever used a cutting torch to heat and bend steel? A rosebud tip? Ever tried to build a forge? Bend a horshoe in a fire by resting it in coals?

If you had you would know. Carbon fires and object relation have to absolutely optimized to have any significant effect on steel.

There is no doubt that the top of the building would have fell to the north IF it were going to fall from damage of the event.

The towers were demolished by optimally place and distributed high explosives in a high speed series of delays.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3423&stc=1&d=1160326368
 

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As this is my 666th post I feel I should devote it to your devilish hypnotists.
I have to say you are seriously over estimating the man power and resources of the CIA if you think they hypnotised billions of people.

Why did they do it? So that one day in 2001 people all over the world would not be able to see concrete or remember a PBS documentary.

But it goes further than that, doesn't it Chris? The CIA is being run by the same sect of mystical Circassian Druids who built Stone Henge. These strange secret priests steal into kiddies rooms at night and hypnotise them into believing lies about the WTC before it has even been built.

The 123 pages of this thread have gotten us exactly nowhere. They have taken us on a merry-go-round ride through the bizarre landscape of your delusions. I once again implore you to hop off the brightly painted horse of your fantastic imaginings and grasp the brass ring of reality.

Only you can make it happen, but everyone will applaud you for it. There is no shame in admitting a mistake. There is however a great price to pay for clinging to lies and delusions. That price is usually paid by the people closest to you.

Please give it up and get some help.

It is known that MKultra unfuenced 150,000 Americans, at least. You have conducted a distortions

You will love this link.

http://www.wovoca.com/controversies-black-arts-black-sciences.htm

The "Black Budget" then started to be used for the "Black Arts" and became known as the" Black Sciences." The earliest projects actually started prior to World War I while the more popular ones started around World War II. The U.S. Army was in charge of making the "A-bomb" in the "Manhattan Project" and the U.S. Navy was in charge of making stealth equipment and invisibility in the "Philadelphia Experiment."

After the war, the scientists of both projects were joined with Nazi scientists from Germany and NASA and the National Security Agency were formed. Previous experiments like Babylon Working and the Montauk Project –started using Nazi occultists and scientists to communicate with and materialize inter-dimensional beings. They,also, started working on inter-dimensional time travel and eugenics/cloning.


NOTE: I do not believe there was any success in time travel. However, I'm sure they are still spending your tax dollar on it in some way.
 
An hour and 40 minutes on the concrete core? That must have made for some gripping TV.

Not nearly as thrilling as 123 pages of "Realistic Explanations for (near) Free Fall." that can be found here.

The hour and 40 minutes was broken up by commentary on other aspects, but the core was the big slowdown.

At the 42nd floor the crane platform had to be completely disassembled and lowerd to the ground and a much smaller cranes set up to assist with steel constrcution while the 43rd floor was formed by hand for cast concrete all the way out to the perimeter walls.

The 43rd was all concrete with heavy steel cast into floors and cieling. It was the major mechanical floor for the entire tower.
 
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