Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Here you ignore the fact that rate at which the towers collapsed is perfectly consistent with the mechanism described in the official report.

Here he ignores EVERY picture presented to him that doesn't show a concrete core.

Chris. What happened to your idiotic core in the pictures presented to you recently in this thread?

I would feel sorry for you, and would be more polite, if you you gave us even just a little respect and didn't imply we were idiots. We are NOT idiots and can see and judge evidence every bit as well, or better it appears, as YOU can.
 
Clearly, what ever the minimal fire might have done, it bears no comparison to this damage. She's alive on the 94th floor. is that where your fire was?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3406&stc=1&d=1160267765

Multitudes of pictures and diagrams? Mountain of data?

You are exagerating and really have no evidence that is not deeply in question, whatsoever or you would have posted it

Here is hard evidence. No room for deception.

http://concretecore.741.com

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Copyright violation over and over again.
Even to (own?) sites that live from copyright-violation
to "proof" the murder of 3000 people by the government.

Still without proof or any attempt to listen to the facts.
 
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Here he ignores EVERY picture presented to him that doesn't show a concrete core.

Chris. What happened to your idiotic core in the pictures presented to you recently in this thread?

I would feel sorry for you, and would be more polite, if you you gave us even just a little respect and didn't imply we were idiots. We are NOT idiots and can see and judge evidence every bit as well, or better it appears, as YOU can.

The only real difference between the images you posted and mine is that mine has better light on the core wall at its base and some of the objects covering it have been removed.

I do not ignore the images. I've seen them all long before I came here. I think Gravy posted one that I hadn't seen and I asked him for the source but he wouldn't provide it because the image actually supported my side of this issue.

Actually, I have a decent amount of respect for the opposition here. You are seem more intelligent than the hard core opposition that was at LC. I do not regard you as idiots although at times my responses may indicate that. Homer makes some bad mistakes now and then but he hits himself on the head all day long so it is understandable.

Notice that when sincere efforts to use evidence are presented my posts are free of rancor. Bell has made a sincere effort to do what Peabody said he was going to do and I appreciate that. I didn't post that red text message to demean him and his efforts, I did it to bring attention to the fact that he was actually trying hard to challenge and couldn't even get a reasonable start on it.

Realize that your task, despite the hoards of eager deniers, is impossible. The towers did have a concrete core and I did see the 1990 documentary and the images do show concrete. And, ........ that is the only reason your virtual army of deniers cannot make a dent in what I assert.
 
The only real difference between the images you posted and mine is that mine has better light on the core wall at its base and some of the objects covering it have been removed.

Clearly, what ever the minimal fire might have done, it bears no comparison to this damage. She's alive on the 94th floor. is that where your fire was?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3406&stc=1&d=1160267765

Multitudes of pictures and diagrams? Mountain of data?

You are exagerating and really have no evidence that is not deeply in question, whatsoever or you would have posted it

Here is hard evidence. No room for deception.

http://concretecore.741.com

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[RULE4] You will not post "copyright-protected1" material in its entirety, including "hotlinking2" to images or other media.

Copyright violation over and over again.
Even to (own?) sites that live from copyright-violation
to "proof" the murder of 3000 people by the government.

Still without proof or any attempt to listen to the facts.


I´m not kidding, Chris. I´m getting really angry because of you. And i tried it in a peaceful way.

Don´t reply. Thank you.
 
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Here you say that the debris of the plane etc would have been pushed up against the core, but if there was no concrete core, those combustibles would have ended up on the far side of the building (and they did).

Here you say this proves that the raging fires on the far side of the building didn't affect the stuctural integrity of the tower.

Here you ignore the fact that rate at which the towers collapsed is perfectly consistent with the mechanism described in the official report.

The debris of the plane and offices would not go to the other side of the building, the fuel in the plane would and would actually burn better spread out over the carpets furniture etc. The right engine of flight 11 went through the core and fuel folowed it I believe.

Correct. The fires on the south side were inadequate in heat and duration to cause any failure of heavy steel structure whatsoever.

The official story is LUDICRIOUS as an explanation for the below.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3419&stc=1&d=1160277226
 

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Oliver, Please Get This Right

He says the gov and/or the "above" leadership killed 3000 people.

Actually I assert that the infiltrators of the US government set 9-11 up. The US government is forbidden by law to do anything like that. So if people in government do that, they are no longer government. They are renegade usurping authority, certainly not "leadership".

If there are infiltrators should we expose them?
 
The only real difference between the images you posted and mine is that mine has better light on the core wall at its base and some of the objects covering it have been removed.

Clearly, what ever the minimal fire might have done, it bears no comparison to this damage. She's alive on the 94th floor. is that where your fire was?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3406&stc=1&d=1160267765

Multitudes of pictures and diagrams? Mountain of data?

You are exagerating and really have no evidence that is not deeply in question, whatsoever or you would have posted it

Here is hard evidence. No room for deception.

http://concretecore.741.com

Actually I assert that the infiltrators of the US government set 9-11 up. The US government is forbidden by law to do anything like that. So if people in government do that, they are no longer government. They are renegade usurping authority, certainly not "leadership".

If there are infiltrators should we expose them?

ADMINISTRATION said:
[RULE4] You will not post "copyright-protected1" material in its entirety, including "hotlinking2" to images or other media.

Copyright violation over and over again.
Even to (own?) sites that live from copyright-violation
to "proof" the murder of 3000 people by the government.

Still without proof or any attempt to listen to the facts.


I´m not kidding, Chris. I´m getting really angry because of you. And i tried it in a peaceful way.

Don´t reply. Thank you.
 
you are wrong. Your link is WRONG. Deal with it.

Jesus Chris just deal with the fact that you are wrong. OMG it is so obvious to any sane person...oh...never mind. I forgot you are insane.

I don't think a discussion of sanity is pertinent here. My link works fine and shows a tower undergoing a high speed series of detonations of high explosives. Anybody having experience with high explosives and being honest will immediately confirm that.

This is not meant to be an affront to you or anyone, but is there any possibility that you could have been one of the 150,000 Americans infuenced within MKultra?

Is there any US intelligence members in your family?

Are you near a military base?

Attended military schools?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
http://peyote.com/jonstef/mkultra.htm
http://www.ra-info.org/library/programming/mkultra.shtml
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/mk/
 
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The only real difference between the images you posted and mine is that mine has better light on the core wall at its base and some of the objects covering it have been removed.

Clearly, what ever the minimal fire might have done, it bears no comparison to this damage. She's alive on the 94th floor. is that where your fire was?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3406&stc=1&d=1160267765

Multitudes of pictures and diagrams? Mountain of data?

You are exagerating and really have no evidence that is not deeply in question, whatsoever or you would have posted it

Here is hard evidence. No room for deception.

http://concretecore.741.com

Actually I assert that the infiltrators of the US government set 9-11 up. The US government is forbidden by law to do anything like that. So if people in government do that, they are no longer government. They are renegade usurping authority, certainly not "leadership".

If there are infiltrators should we expose them?

ADMINISTRATION said:
[RULE4] You will not post "copyright-protected1" material in its entirety, including "hotlinking2" to images or other media.

Copyright violation over and over again.
Even to (own?) sites that live from copyright-violation
to "proof" the murder of 3000 people by the government.

Still without proof or any attempt to listen to the facts.


I´m not kidding, Chris. I´m getting really angry because of you. And i tried it in a peaceful way.

Don´t reply. Thank you.
 
The only real difference between the images you posted and mine is that mine has better light on the core wall at its base and some of the objects covering it have been removed.
You in complete, absolute denial. I know its not easy to be proven wrong time and time again, especially considering all the time and effort you put into this thing. But you have to face reality Chris. You are dead wrong. All the evidence is against you.


Realize that your task, despite the hoards of eager deniers, is impossible. The towers did have a concrete core and I did see the 1990 documentary and the images do show concrete. And, ........ that is the only reason your virtual army of deniers cannot make a dent in what I assert.
So your whole proof and evidence is based on a 16 year old documentary that can't even remember what the name is or what company produced it, or what station you saw it on. Where is this documentary? Where can we find it? Untill you can provide this information; you got nothing. Because all the pictures you have shown us show no concrete wall whatsoever.
 
If the core is real, then it must have been rigged to explode. If it was rigged to explode, then everyone connected with the concrete must have been hypnotised to forget about it. How this mass hypnosis was achieved is never explained.

If everyone who denies the concrete was hypnotised, then hypnotists have worked their mesmerism on almost everyone in the whole world except Chris.

I think my last post provides a reasonable explanation how the mass hypnosis was achieved. There is no denying that MKultra existed as a covert program.

We have nver known what the objective was. Perhaps, after 122 pages of this thread we are getting a clue.
 
@URUK: Please don´t reply until an Admin says something about it. Thank you very much. :)


The only real difference between the images you posted and mine is that mine has better light on the core wall at its base and some of the objects covering it have been removed.

Clearly, what ever the minimal fire might have done, it bears no comparison to this damage. She's alive on the 94th floor. is that where your fire was?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3406&stc=1&d=1160267765

Multitudes of pictures and diagrams? Mountain of data?

You are exagerating and really have no evidence that is not deeply in question, whatsoever or you would have posted it

Here is hard evidence. No room for deception.

http://concretecore.741.com

Actually I assert that the infiltrators of the US government set 9-11 up. The US government is forbidden by law to do anything like that. So if people in government do that, they are no longer government. They are renegade usurping authority, certainly not "leadership".

If there are infiltrators should we expose them?

ADMINISTRATION said:
[RULE4] You will not post "copyright-protected1" material in its entirety, including "hotlinking2" to images or other media.

Copyright violation over and over again.
Even to (own?) sites that live from copyright-violation
to "proof" the murder of 3000 people by the government.

Still without proof or any attempt to listen to the facts.


I´m not kidding, Chris. I´m getting really angry because of you. And i tried it in a peaceful way.

Don´t reply. Thank you.
 
So your whole proof and evidence is based on a 16 year old documentary that can't even remember what the name is or what company produced it, or what station you saw it on. Where is this documentary? Where can we find it? Untill you can provide this information; you got nothing. Because all the pictures you have shown us show no concrete wall whatsoever.

Hit yourself on the head again homer.

I've posted its title and its producer numerous times in this thread.

TITLE: "The Construction Of The Twin Towers."

PRODUCER: PBS

VIEWED ON CHANNEL: 10, KCET

Here is an end view of the concrete shear wall.
 
@URUK: Please don´t reply until an Admin says something about it. Thank you very much. :)


The only real difference between the images you posted and mine is that mine has better light on the core wall at its base and some of the objects covering it have been removed.

Clearly, what ever the minimal fire might have done, it bears no comparison to this damage. She's alive on the 94th floor. is that where your fire was?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3406&stc=1&d=1160267765

Multitudes of pictures and diagrams? Mountain of data?

You are exagerating and really have no evidence that is not deeply in question, whatsoever or you would have posted it

Here is hard evidence. No room for deception.

http://concretecore.741.com

Actually I assert that the infiltrators of the US government set 9-11 up. The US government is forbidden by law to do anything like that. So if people in government do that, they are no longer government. They are renegade usurping authority, certainly not "leadership".

If there are infiltrators should we expose them?

ADMINISTRATION said:
[RULE4] You will not post "copyright-protected1" material in its entirety, including "hotlinking2" to images or other media.

Copyright violation over and over again.
Even to (own?) sites that live from copyright-violation
to "proof" the murder of 3000 people by the government.

Still without proof or any attempt to listen to the facts.


I´m not kidding, Chris. I´m getting really angry because of you. And i tried it in a peaceful way.

Don´t reply. Thank you.
 
IThis is not meant to be an affront to you or anyone, but is there any possibility that you could have been one of the 150,000 Americans infuenced within MKultra?

Holy lord, MK ULTRA! Are you serious? MK ULTRA was a complete failure. Everything they tried utterly misfired. LSD was so unpredictable that it was dropped. Sensory deprivation turned people temporarily and uselessly psychotic. The other drugs didn't do anything. None of it allowed the implantation of false memory. It didn't generally allow the extraction of information. The whole thing was as worthless as 3" rebar on 4' centers.
 
Oliver. I appologise for making this post. I will cease posting here henceforth until after Lisa or a mod has respond But I feel this cuts to the heart of Christophera's proof as mentioned in the previouse post.

I owe an appology to Chris. I believe that I have found the documentary that he is talking about. I believe this is the very documentary from which he's says his irrefutable proof comes from.

The documentary is called "Building the World Trade Center" it is produced by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 1983. It contains original footage of the construction of the Twn Towers. and was shown on PBS via KCET

Chris, is this the documentary that you saw?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/newyork/sfeature/sf_building.html

The documentary is there in its entirety if anyone wants to watch it

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/newyork/sfeature/sf_building_pop_01_qry.html


If it is, your in trouble. I watched it and the only mention of a concrete wall is of the retaining wall used in the sub-basement level to hold back the water in the bay (this was also called the "bath tub"). The film also shows construction workers pouring cement onto the floor structure. It makes no mention, nor does it show a concrete core. It also clearly shows the core box columns both in aerial vews as well as floor level views as the workers were working on the floor. (It also shows that your steel worker friend would have noticed a concrete core)

Be sure to read the linked essay.

I will not post in this thread again untill a mod responds to Olivers request.
 
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Oliver. I appologise for making this post. I will cease posting here henceforth until after Lisa or a mod has respond But I feel this cuts to the heart of Christophera's proof as mentioned in the previouse post.

I owe an appology to Chris. I believe that I have found the documentary that he is talking about. I believe this is the very documentary from which he's says his irrefutable proof comes from.

The documentary is called "Building the World Trade Center" it is produced by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 1983. It contains original footage of the construction of the Twn Towers.

Chris, is this the documentary that you saw?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/newyork/sfeature/sf_building.html

The documentary is there in its entirety if anyone wants to watch it

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/newyork/sfeature/sf_building_pop_01_qry.html


If it is, your in trouble. I watched it and the only mention of a concrete wall is of the retaining wall used in the sub-basement level to hold back the water in the bay (this was also called the "bath tub". The film also shows construction workers puring cement onto the floor structure. It makes no mention, nor does it show a concrete core. It also clearly shows the core box columns both in aerial vews as well as floor level views as the workers were working on the floor. (It also shows that your steel worker friend would have noticed a concrete core)

Be sure to read the linked essay.

I will not post in this thread again untill a mod responds to Olivers request.

Hello Uruk. :) I also saw the documentary "Building the World Trade Center" at GoogleVideo but it proofs nothing about a concrete core. I´m getting sick of hearing Chris´s dissuade from real facts. In my opinion he is just fooling us because he doesn´t care about the discussion besides what he believes. ;) ...and he still has no proof (ETA) of the "gov-murderer" after 120 sides.... :boggled:
 
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Oliver. I appologise for making this post. I will cease posting here henceforth until after Lisa or a mod has respond But I feel this cuts to the heart of Christophera's proof as mentioned in the previouse post.

I owe an appology to Chris. I believe that I have found the documentary that he is talking about. I believe this is the very documentary from which he's says his irrefutable proof comes from.

The documentary is called "Building the World Trade Center" it is produced by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 1983. It contains original footage of the construction of the Twn Towers. and was shown on PBS via KCET

Chris, is this the documentary that you saw?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/newyork/sfeature/sf_building.html

The documentary is there in its entirety if anyone wants to watch it

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/newyork/sfeature/sf_building_pop_01_qry.html


If it is, your in trouble. I watched it and the only mention of a concrete wall is of the retaining wall used in the sub-basement level to hold back the water in the bay (this was also called the "bath tub"). The film also shows construction workers pouring cement onto the floor structure. It makes no mention, nor does it show a concrete core. It also clearly shows the core box columns both in aerial vews as well as floor level views as the workers were working on the floor. (It also shows that your steel worker friend would have noticed a concrete core)

Be sure to read the linked essay.

I will not post in this thread again untill a mod responds to Olivers request.

No, that is not the documentary I saw. That documentary was mentioned in the one I saw which was 2 hours in length. The 18 minute film was referred to in the beginning as a "Celebratory Documentary" relating to the completion of the WTC.

The documentary I viewed spoke of itself as the final documentation to the public of the towers and their particularly high cost, justifying that cost. It was done on a grant and started in 1987 taking three years to produce. The videographers first took every single photo and 16mm film clip and copied them all to VHS tape then logged the tape.
Copies went out with researchers who made appointments and visited contractors, designers and engineers as well as an occasional retired employees to resolve questions associated with the images they had.
The original camera people had not always recorded the date and floor level where things were shot. Sometimes a reel of film had nothing whatsoever written on it, so it was like a giant puzzle in time.

The first 20 minutes gave all that as the history of the documentary then it went into the construction of the pit, the slurry wall drilling and construction. The drilling of the bedrock where foundation reinforcements were set in the rock.
Then the foundation of the core and perimeter walls. At about this time the videographers actually imparted a sense of mystery having to do with the core. Basically the entire documentary was about the core from then on out.

The videographers eventually found the big slow down in the construction to be the butt welds in the 3 inch high tensile steel rebar which arrived in 40 foot long sticks and had to be 100% welded, x-rayed, and recoated with the "special anti corrosion, vibration" plastic coating. The videographers in talking with concrete contractors found out about forced evacuations of the concrete crews pouring floors just prior to running the steel after the corrugated panels were sandblasted. They actually had video of the crews jogging between floors after the PA and the contractor got over the conflict the unplanned or announced stoppage of work was discovered by the contractor who threatened to sue because the stoppages over a few days had cost him about $7k in wages for workers who were sitting around waiting while the PA did some mysterious thing the videographers never did figure out.

I remember the video of the workers jogging showed the PA security guys standing in the adjoining hallway next to a stack of 5 gallon buckets waiting for the workers to clear the floor.

I believe that clips of the video were sold to other video producers who made newer, sorter versions of the same construction documentary. I've met people who have seen these other productions. They were 1 hour it seems and there may have been as many as 3 of them.

the "core box columns" you refer to are not inside the core. They surround the core When none of the demo images show the supposed 47 steel core columns, it is a done deal because those columns, if they existed, would be of the strongest elements in the towers and would be seen.
 
Could someone in here quote my "admin-post" to stop Cris? I spend the whole night to do so. :boggled:

Cheers,
Oliver :)
 
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