"Molten Metal" at Ground Zero

[Alareth]

Ok, one of the things CT enthusiasts seem to go on and on about is molten metal found under the debris weeks after the collapse. What exactly is this supposed to prove?

If we were to go along with the controlled demolition theory, how would molten metal support this conclusion?

 

[DavidJames]

Ok, one of the things CT enthusiasts seem to go on and on about is molten metal found under the debris weeks after the collapse. What exactly is this supposed to prove?

If we were to go along with the controlled demolition theory, how would molten metal support this conclusion?

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Thermite was used to cut the steel, it melted the steel causing it to drip down and settle under the debris. It was so farking hot, it remained "melted" for months because it was insolated by the debris
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I can see why CT's are so popular, 1, it's really easy, and fun, to make stuff up and 2, you need not work under the burden of adhering to logic, reason or (shudder) actual facts. I scare myself sometimes seeing how easy it comes.

 

[Oliver]

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Thermite was used to cut the steel, it melted the steel causing it to drip down and settle under the debris. It was so farking hot, it remained "melted" for months because it was insolated by the debris
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I can see why CT's are so popular, 1, it's really easy, and fun, to make stuff up and 2, you need not work under the burden of adhering to logic, reason or (shudder) actual facts. I scare myself sometimes seeing how easy it comes.

I never thought much about the molten steel. Where did it come from? (Just to answer that question to all readers)

 

[einsteen]

I believe the story was that Lorieux of controlled demolitions Inc. said that but it was third party information.

 

[bob_kark]

I believe the story was that Lorieux of controlled demolitions Inc. said that but it was third party information.

Are you claiming that according to a third party, Lorieux stated molten metal was evidence for thermite?

 

[Oliver]

I believe the story was that Lorieux of controlled demolitions Inc. said that but it was third party information.

Wich story? Are these Nasa-thermografic pictures - the Ct´ists praise so high - fake?

 

[einsteen]

I didn't mention thermite Bob

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

In addition to 911myths addressing of the issue, there is also:
http://www.lolinfowars.co.nr/ (pg 26)
http://www.jnani.org/mrking/writings/911/king911.htm#_Toc144445988
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html (timestamp 51:11)
http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change-3#molten-steel
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4

 

[bob_kark]

I never thought much about the molten steel. Where did it come from? (Just to answer that question to all readers)

There were fires raging underground beneath the WTC for several weeks due to debris that was still burning out of control. Everytime they pulled out a section of debris, it would flare up again. The metal was stuck in this fire which reached extreme temperatures. The extreme temperatures were verified by satellite imagery.

Many CTers believe the metal was steel. However, it appears more likely that it was just additional debris from the WTC, chair legs, xerox machines, staplers, door jams, window sills, those little metal strips in the celing that hold the celing tiles, etc...

 

[bob_kark]

I didn't mention thermite Bob

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

I'm just asking what you meant, your statement was not clear.

 

[MikeW]

Wich story? Are these Nasa-thermografic pictures - the Ct´ists praise so high - fake?

No. However they don't show temperatures high enough to melt steel (and actually they don't temperatures beyond those of a normal fire).

 

[ImaginalDisc]

No. However they don't show temperatures high enough to melt steel (and actually they don't temperatures beyond those of a normal fire).

"Normal" does not apply to the destruction and immolation of two of the largest buildings ever made by the impact of two jet airliners, and thousands of gallons of jet fuel.

 

[Josh Redstone]

I brought this up over at LC, I had mentioned that the molton metal may not have been steel, maybe aluminum. Someone then pointed out that aluminum doesn't glow when it's molten, then I asked for a reputable source for the presence of this molton steel, so alls I gotta do now is play the waiting game

 

[MikeW]

"Normal" does not apply to the destruction and immolation of two of the largest buildings ever made by the impact of two jet airliners, and thousands of gallons of jet fuel.

I know. I wasn't making a CT-type "the fire wasn't hot enough to melt the steel"-like statement, I was referring to the temperatures NASA reported from the debris pile later.

 

[CurtC]

I brought this up over at LC, I had mentioned that the molton metal may not have been steel, maybe aluminum. Someone then pointed out that aluminum doesn't glow when it's molten, then I asked for a reputable source for the presence of this molton steel, so alls I gotta do now is play the waiting game

I'll give ten to one that you're banned from there before being supplied with an answer.

 

[joobz]

I apologize for maybe making a statement that is probably already been worked to death, but
isn't Thermite Al + FeO2?

Since, Steel beams in buildings are rusted = Fe02
and Plane = Al

You would expect bizzarre high heats for a while.

Doesn't require any additional CT to explain anything.

again, this has probably already been mentioned and I apologize for the repeating it.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

I know. I wasn't making a CT-type "the fire wasn't hot enough to melt the steel"-like statement, I was referring to the temperatures NASA reported from the debris pile later.

Oh good. You scared the daylights out of me for a second there. I know there's a word for satire which is indistinguishable from reality, but I can't remember it now.

However, there was molten metal found at the site, and the fire did reach temperatures sufficent to melt it.

 

[Josh Redstone]

I'll give ten to one that you're banned from there before being supplied with an answer.

Time will tell.....

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I brought this up over at LC, I had mentioned that the molton metal may not have been steel, maybe aluminum. Someone then pointed out that aluminum doesn't glow when it's molten, then I asked for a reputable source for the presence of this molton steel, so alls I gotta do now is play the waiting game

Point out also that glass glows orange and becomes malleable at much lower temps than steel, and also the NIST report suggests the "pouring glowing" metal is melted aluminum with debris in it that is either burning, or glowing; so it is not the aluminum itself that would be glowing orange.

 

[Kent1]

I brought this up over at LC, I had mentioned that the molton metal may not have been steel, maybe aluminum. Someone then pointed out that aluminum doesn't glow when it's molten, then I asked for a reputable source for the presence of this molton steel, so alls I gotta do now is play the waiting game

Pure aluminum doesn't glow very strongly in sunlight, but in darker areas and mixed with other materical it does.

Jones rebuttle to that claim was to mix an unknown amount of wood chips and plastic shavings at an unknown temp.
However what he should of done was put in a large amount materical that was in the towers such as, glass, wood, hamburger meat (gross yes!), water, copper etc....and heated this up to around 1000C
You can ask various meal experts to conferm.
One example is Stephen Chastain.
http://stephenchastain.com/ You can read his answer in the talk section.

Here's a short summary:
The flow is not steel because the structural steel would fail well below the metling temperature. The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color.