What JohnDoeX thinks we are afraid to post

I havent seen anythnig suggesting a flyover by JDX yet. I do see him saying the FDR doesnt get low enough to hit the poles. Has he said it didnt hit the pentagon? If so, is it on his site?

I'm just starting to look over his work. I also have some calls out to see if it's the same guy.
 
I don't know exactly what he thinks. I just looked at his figures and wondered if, in your opinion, a flyover is possible or not.
 
weedwacker said:
I havent seen anythnig suggesting a flyover by JDX yet. I do see him saying the FDR doesnt get low enough to hit the poles. Has he said it didnt hit the pentagon? If so, is it on his site?

I'm just starting to look over his work. I also have some calls out to see if it's the same guy.
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Not sure if you saw my comment in the other thread. "his site" is a morgue, he posts at a record pace on the Loose Change forums and is by quite a margin, their most prolific poster.
 
DavidJames said:
Not sure if you saw my comment in the other thread. "his site" is a morgue, he posts at a record pace on the Loose Change forums and is by quite a margin, their most prolific poster.
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yeah, I saw that. He is their top poster. But, if he is in a hospital bed at home or something, it may explain why he is always online. I'm going to give this guy some slack till i find out if its the same guy. I'd be going out of my mind if I still had a good few years in me to fly professionally but couldn't due to health problems. If it is him, at least he has found a way to keep his mind occupied. I'm still going over his work.
 
Hang on a second.

I admit I've not been following this very closely, as in my mind the "oh noez it wuz teh cr00z missels wut hit teh pintogonne bayybeeee!!" is the most idiotic pillar of the LC faith.

But am I to understand that JDX is using...
the flight data recorder...
from flight 77...
recovered from the Pentagon...
to prove that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon?

:wackyconfused:
 
negativ said:
Hang on a second.

I admit I've not been following this very closely, as in my mind the "oh noez it wuz teh cr00z missels wut hit teh pintogonne bayybeeee!!" is the most idiotic pillar of the LC faith.

But am I to understand that JDX is using...
the flight data recorder...
from flight 77...
recovered from the Pentagon...
to prove that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon?

:wackyconfused:
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Well, weedwacker just pointed out that he never claims it didn't hit the Pentagon...just not the lightpoles. Incriminating, no?
 
negativ said:
Hang on a second.

I admit I've not been following this very closely, as in my mind the "oh noez it wuz teh cr00z missels wut hit teh pintogonne bayybeeee!!" is the most idiotic pillar of the LC faith.

But am I to understand that JDX is using...
the flight data recorder...
from flight 77...
recovered from the Pentagon...
to prove that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon?

:wackyconfused:
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Oh it was planted there, w/ incorrect data apparently. :rolleyes:
 
negativ said:
Hang on a second.

I admit I've not been following this very closely, as in my mind the "oh noez it wuz teh cr00z missels wut hit teh pintogonne bayybeeee!!" is the most idiotic pillar of the LC faith.

But am I to understand that JDX is using...
the flight data recorder...
from flight 77...
recovered from the Pentagon...
to prove that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon?

:wackyconfused:
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I could be wrong about this, but I think he believes a whistleblower released the FDR data. I'm not sure what his point is though. Maybe he feels they hadn't completed mocking up the data to support the OCT, or maybe it's legit and he feels wasn't officially released because it "proves" the OCT is wrong, or heck knows what he thinks, cause he's only asking questions :rolleyes:
 
I have seen JDX suggest that Flight 77 did a flyover of the Pentagon. The search function at the LC Forum is pretty much useless, so I can't provide a link, but I have seen him suggest that.
 
Awww cripes. I guess somebody will have to go "over there" and find him talking about a flyover. I couldve sworn that was the whole point of his FDR study. He certainly isnt of the mind that it impacted, so it's either totally fake or evidence that AA77 flew over the Pentagon..
 
DavidJames said:
I could be wrong about this, but I think he believes a whistleblower released the FDR data. I'm not sure what his point is though. Maybe he feels they hadn't completed mocking up the data to support the OCT, or maybe it's legit and he feels wasn't officially released because it "proves" the OCT is wrong, or heck knows what he thinks, cause he's only asking questions :rolleyes:
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He(the NTSB official whose name I've forgotten) released it because he was ordered to under FOIA, some whistleblower!
You'd think it would take less than 5 years to fake the data in any case.
 
apathoid said:
You'd think it would take less than 5 years to fake the data in any case.
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:D

As been mentioned, the same government that can put together this brilliant fake attack is also unable to CGI some videos or fake a .csv FDR file and even planted evidence from the wrong plane at the Pentagon. Their (the loosers) stupidity is mind numbing.
 
Obviousman said:
I contacted a professional engineer who analyses FDR data for a living, and got him in touch with with DOH!

He looked at the data (.csv file) and said that because the altitude data was taken above Vmo, we don't know if it is accurate or not. He's had that pointed out time & time again, but he's won't give up his pet project.

Also, you are using pressure altitude data for something that requires RADALT data (which was not a valid parameter on the DFDR).

He hasn't looked at the DFDR itself, how it gained its inputs, what those senors were, what their tolerences were, what factors could affect the data, etc, etc.

He simply see what he wants to.

I mean, really - if this is such a "smoking gun" then:

1. Why did the government release the DFDR data showing that it did not match the government claim, when they had 5 years to "fix" the data; and

2. Why hasn't it been picked up by news agencies ALL around the world?

Because it's crud, but those losers (that's not a typo) can't see that.

Also makes me wonder - why hasn't DOH! advertised his (Palm)Pilots for Truth(fulness if it suits Doh) forum on PPrune? Thousands of professional pilots, aircrew, engineers, etc from around the world. Civil, military, tech heads, phling wing phlyers, trash haulers, fisheads, knuckleheads, buggys, flappys, ginger beers, etc, from all around the globe.

I think he's afraid what will happen if some real pilots start inhabiting the forum; he'll be too busy banning to actually type a reply to anything. After all, look at the pasting he got when he went to PPrune the first time.
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About a month ago, I posted, in a discussion with gumboot and some others, the discussion of altimeter errors, altitude errors, AGL, MSL, Bar Alts and rad alts.

Your engineer friend and I are in agreement, and I am glad he pointed out the VmO issue and pressure altitude variation, which I failed to do.

Good on him!

DR
 
Found JDX's thoughts on the LC forum:

JDX on LC forum said:
1. If the FDR data is accurate.. there is NO WAY it hit the light poles and unlikely it hit the pentagon. We dont know if it hit the pentagon or not because we DONT HAVE THAT DATA ANYWHERE. period.

2. If the FDR data is fake.. it is as alarming as if it were accurate.. see number
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So he thinks it is unlikely Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and therefore likely that it did a flyover.
 
Oh, a flyover. Now, is that a theory that's come up just to explain the lightpoles?

I was hoping that someone would do a graph or animation of a missile, or amissile-carrying plane. Why don't they ever try to prove something? It's always just about the disproving, to hide the fact that the alternate theories are far less likely.
 
Sorry to barge in without first introducing myself, but there is an important point that everyone seems to be over-looking in this thread. JohnDoeX worked backwards from the height of the impact into the Pentagon to calculate the altitude of Flight 77 as it passed over the locations of light poles using a constant rate of descent. But since witnesses claimed that Flight 77 actually hit the ground before hitting the Pentagon, his conclusions are obviously invalid. If someone can find out how far away from the Pentagon Flight 77 hit the ground (it reportedly struck a helipad), it should be possible to work backwards from that point.

Of course, all this seems irrelevant. Theories are required to fit observations, observations are not required to fit theories.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Sorry to barge in without first introducing myself, but there is an important point that everyone seems to be over-looking in this thread. JohnDoeX worked backwards from the height of the impact into the Pentagon to calculate the altitude of Flight 77 as it passed over the locations of light poles using a constant rate of descent. But since witnesses claimed that Flight 77 actually hit the ground before hitting the Pentagon, his conclusions are obviously invalid. If someone can find out how far away from the Pentagon Flight 77 hit the ground (it reportedly struck a helipad), it should be possible to work backwards from that point.

Of course, all this seems irrelevant. Theories are required to fit observations, observations are not required to fit theories.
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IIRC, a wingtip it the ground. I think that an engine hit a fence, and maybe a few other things were hit but only the wingtip actually hit the ground, but almost at the Pentagon.
 
WildCat said:
IIRC, a wingtip it the ground. I think that an engine hit a fence, and maybe a few other things were hit but only the wingtip actually hit the ground, but almost at the Pentagon.
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THis is my understanding as well, although I can't source it currently. But I seem to recall the left wingtip hit the ground at pretty much the same time the nose hit the building.
 
Brainache said:
As someone else pointed out, he is using the FDR of flight 77 which was recovered from the wreckage of the pentagon to prove that flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon.
So I say; stupid or crazy- take your pick.
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You clearly do not understand the CT mind.

If the data is false, the gumint did it.

If the data is true then the gumint truely did it.

That's the best I could do out of one of jdx's response to the logical delimma of claiming the data you are using is fake.
 
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