Self-Actualization: A Tide Lifting All Boats

coberst

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Abraham Maslow defined a hierarchy of needs to be:
1) Biological and Physiological (water, food, shelter, air, sex, etc.)
2) Safety (security, law and order, stability, etc.)
3) Belonging and love (family, affection, community, etc.)
4) Esteem (self-esteem, independence, prestige, achievement, etc.)
5) Self-Actualization (self-fulfillment, personal growth, realizing personal potential, etc.)

This hierarchy makes us conscious of the obvious fact that we did not fret about the absence of self-esteem if we did not already have security nor did we worry about security if we did not have water to drink or air to breath.

"A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be at peace with himself. What a man can be, he must be. This is the need we may call self-actualization ... It refers to man's desire for fulfillment, namely to the tendency for him to become actually in what he is potentially: to become everything that one is capable of becoming ..."

I think that the area in which Western society fails most egregiously is in the matter of an intellectual life after schooling. We have a marvelous brain that goes into the attic after schooling is complete and is brought out only occasionally on the job or when we try to play bridge or chess.

It appears to me that the fundamental problem faced by most Western democracies is a lack of intellectual sophistication of the total population. Our colleges and universities have prepared young people to become good producers and consumers. The college graduate has a large specialized database that allows that individual to quickly enter the corporate world as a useful cog in the machine. The results display themselves in our thriving high standard of living, high technology corporate driven life styles.

We are excellent at instrumental rationality and deficient at developing the rationality and understanding required for determining normative values. It seems to me that our societies are not prepared intellectually for the demanding task ahead. The only solution seems to be a change that will significantly increase the intellectual sophistication of the society as a whole. We need a rising tide of intellectual sophistication and Self-Actualization might be the way for our adults to add an intellectual life to their acquisitions.

Maslow learned to distinguish “special talent creativeness” from “self-actualizing (SA) creativeness”,
which springs more directly from the personality, and showed itself in the ordinary affairs of daily life. This is all potentiality given to most people at birth and is generally lost or buried or inhibited, as the person becomes more acculturated. These self-actualizing humans “do not neglect the unknown, or deny it, or run away from it or try to make believe it is really known…They do not cling to the familiar, nor is their quest for the truth a catastrophic need for certainty, safety, definiteness, and order.”

The creativity of self-actualizing individuals is a derivative of their “greater wholeness and integration”. SA creativeness stress first the personality, individuality, character and attitude rather than accomplishments. Character traits, the habits of behavior, such as boldness, courage, freedom, spontaneity, perspicuity, integration, and self-acceptance express itself in the creative life. “It is emitted like sunshine.”

What means do we have to consciously help us to become self-actualizing adults? I think that self-actualization can best come through self-learning (autodidactic).

I would like to introduce a concept that perhaps many have not given consideration. I would like to introduce post-schooling scholarship. I do not use the word ‘scholarship’ to mean some form of education stipend. I mean ‘scholarship’ as tailor-made learning. The individual creates her or his own learning in a process of developing a Self-Actualizing person.

I think we have placed scholarship on a too lofty pedestal and in doing so we have placed it beyond reach or consideration. I want to suggest that middle class scholarship is something that we all should consider as a friend to be embraced as our own.

The development of an economic middle class is the hallmark of success in any mature nation. I think it is possible that the development of a scholarly middle class could represent a similar development in the life of democracy of a nation. We might express the concept as middle class scholarship or post-schooling scholarship.

I think that post-schooling scholarship is a means to self-actualization. If you do not find this to be a means for self-actualization what means would you suggest?
 
Abraham Maslow defined a hierarchy of needs to be:
1) Biological and Physiological (water, food, shelter, air, sex, etc.)
2) Safety (security, law and order, stability, etc.)
3) Belonging and love (family, affection, community, etc.)
4) Esteem (self-esteem, independence, prestige, achievement, etc.)
5) Self-Actualization (self-fulfillment, personal growth, realizing personal potential, etc.)

Sex seems to me to be more of floater. Not necessarily rooted to the #1 category.
 
By every test I know of, I am self-actualized. Or high on the scale. And I still have absolutely no idea what it means. I have had many different highly qualified psychologists try to explain it, each resorting to metaphor and analogy and fuzzy language. I get the distinct feeling that if you asked 10 clinicians what it means, you'd get 12 answers.
 
I think that the issue is that we all have different want, needs talents and desires, so what may seem like self actualization to some will not be self actualization for others.
Raising a family, cooking, gardening, success in work, walking, pets and community are all areas that some people choose to self actualize in, and they ar every valid choices for thosde individuals. many people who are in school are there for a wide variety of reasons other than self actualiztion. So I am not sure that scholarships are the answer, for some individuals, watching Jerry Springer may actualy be self actualization. OOOOOK.
 
By every test I know of, I am self-actualized. Or high on the scale. And I still have absolutely no idea what it means. I have had many different highly qualified psychologists try to explain it, each resorting to metaphor and analogy and fuzzy language. I get the distinct feeling that if you asked 10 clinicians what it means, you'd get 12 answers.

I think that what you say is on the mark. Self-actualization is a subjective accomplishment, like beauty it is in the eye of the beholder.
 
I think that the issue is that we all have different want, needs talents and desires, so what may seem like self actualization to some will not be self actualization for others.
Raising a family, cooking, gardening, success in work, walking, pets and community are all areas that some people choose to self actualize in, and they ar every valid choices for thosde individuals. many people who are in school are there for a wide variety of reasons other than self actualiztion. So I am not sure that scholarships are the answer, for some individuals, watching Jerry Springer may actualy be self actualization. OOOOOK.

You are correct. We cannot reach what we do not strive for. Perhaps I might have said we cannot reach what we are not conscious of, can imagine, and desire.
 
Abraham Maslow defined a hierarchy of needs to be:
1) Biological and Physiological (water, food, shelter, air, sex, etc.)
2) Safety (security, law and order, stability, etc.)
3) Belonging and love (family, affection, community, etc.)
4) Esteem (self-esteem, independence, prestige, achievement, etc.)
5) Self-Actualization (self-fulfillment, personal growth, realizing personal potential, etc.)

Ho-hum, another book report.
 
I saw the thread title and immediately thought it must be a coberst thread. Those psychic powers are coming along nicely.
 
I think we have placed scholarship on a too lofty pedestal and in doing so we have placed it beyond reach or consideration.

Do you have any evidence for this claim? I consider community colleges, continuing adult-education classes, and a plethora of educational and semi-educational cable television channels to be ample evidence that scholarship is neither beyond reach nor consideration.

I want to suggest that middle class scholarship is something that we all should consider as a friend to be embraced as our own.

How long will it take you to realize that the majority of people on this board already have read the books that you are reading for the first time? We already know that scholarship is not restricted to people under 21. Did you really think you were presenting a novel idea? Did you think this idea was so controversial that an animated discussion could follow?
 
A great majority of people already believe that it is society's responsibility to provide them with food, safety and self-esteem. To a large extent, this is why people die in the thousands when a heatwave crosses Europe or a storm comes out of the Gulf of Mexico.

I shudder to imagine how the human condition will be degraded if self-actualization becomes institutionalized, (even if that is not a contradiction).
 
Dave1001 said:
Sex seems to me to be more of floater. Not necessarily rooted to the #1 category.
As far as I can see, almost no one seems to agree completely with Maslow's theory. Some also point out that people who have absolutely no security whatsoever often compensate by forming strong bonds with other people, contrary to this hierarchy where it is stated that safety is needed for such bonds to be formed. Those who try to defend the theory generally end up defining the needs so vaguely that the hierarchy is almost rendered meaningless.
 
You are correct. We cannot reach what we do not strive for. Perhaps I might have said we cannot reach what we are not conscious of, can imagine, and desire.


I don't know but it might make sense, however we can reach things without striving, imagining or desiring. Platitudes abound, more words mean less.
 
I don't know but it might make sense, however we can reach things without striving, imagining or desiring. Platitudes abound, more words mean less.

“The development of general ability for independent thinking and judgment should always be placed foremost, not the acquisition of specialized knowledge.” --Albert Einstein

Our (US) society is not generally tuned to agree with Albert’s opinion. We generally consider education is a commodity, an object of commerce; our colleges and universities prepare us in a specific specialty so that we can fit directly into the cogs of the industrial machine when we graduate.

The “development of general ability for independent thinking and judgment” must come after our school days are complete. If we do not begin this process of preparation for independent thinking quickly after schooling it is quite likely we will never acquire the judgment required of an independent critical thinker.

There is good reason to consider our first priority is to acquire the certificates necessary for a good job and then to focus our attention upon taking control of our life following our graduation.

There is a significant difference between life as it is typically lived and life as it could be. This difference can be lived provided one does not give into a passive role and develops an active roll in determining our future.

The passive learner rolls with the punches; s/he establishes habits that ‘work’, which allow us to ‘get by’. The passive learner seeks to integrate her or him self into the status quo.

The active learner establishes habits directed at constant improvement. I think that many people become active learners directing their efforts at maximizing production and consumption. In fact I guess the American life style is to be the active learner running faster and faster on the industrial tread mill. The values ingrained in us by our culture ‘tell us’ that that is the natural way to accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative. But there is another way to become am active learner and that is by self-actualization through self-learning directed not at becoming a better producer and consumer but upon establishing a broader perspective, by establishing a different value system.
 
Our (US) society is not generally tuned to agree with Albert’s opinion. We generally consider education is a commodity, an object of commerce; our colleges and universities prepare us in a specific specialty so that we can fit directly into the cogs of the industrial machine when we graduate.
You conveniently ignore the fact that our colleges and universities do provide a general education. A typical bachelor's degree will require between 120 and 150 semester hours of credit. About a third of these hours will be majour-specific, another third related to and supporting the majour, and the last third a core curriculum that is mandatory for any majour.

The core curriculum will be composed of language, fine arts, philosophy, the sciences, history, and physical education. And what would the purpose of all this be? I quote from my own uni's course handbook (pdf, pg 14). This is pretty standard fare:

A general education provides the base on which a student can build a strong specialization
while having the flexibility that a changing society demands. Specialized
skills are needed in a complex environment, but the rapidity of technological change
often requires the acquisition of new specialties. A sound general education provides
the skills and knowledge which individuals will always need to develop their potential
and meet the challenges and opportunities of the future.
...
The core is designed to further develop in students the abilities to think critically, to
communicate effectively and to understand the major social and personal issues of the
times. Core courses include emphases on research, writing and speaking. Core courses
encourage participation in university and community organizations and activities.

You are, of course, free to question how well any university, or all universities in general, manages this goal, but you may not pretend a university education is designed to do nothing more than prepare one for a narrow specialisation to fit into "the cogs of the industrial machine".
 
“The development of general ability for independent thinking and judgment should always be placed foremost, not the acquisition of specialized knowledge.” --Albert Einstein

...snip...

I know he was considered a top-notch theoretical physicists and I know he was a great populariser of science but was he an expert on teaching and education?

That is not to say I disagree with his opinion but to bring him up in this context would appear to be a false appeal to authority?
 
You conveniently ignore the fact that our colleges and universities do provide a general education. A typical bachelor's degree will require between 120 and 150 semester hours of credit. About a third of these hours will be majour-specific, another third related to and supporting the majour, and the last third a core curriculum that is mandatory for any majour.

The core curriculum will be composed of language, fine arts, philosophy, the sciences, history, and physical education. And what would the purpose of all this be? I quote from my own uni's course handbook (pdf, pg 14). This is pretty standard fare:



You are, of course, free to question how well any university, or all universities in general, manages this goal, but you may not pretend a university education is designed to do nothing more than prepare one for a narrow specialisation to fit into "the cogs of the industrial machine".

Parents, students, corporations, and faculty recognize that the primary purpose of a education is to prepare the young person to fit neatly into the industrial machine without friction.
 
I know he was considered a top-notch theoretical physicists and I know he was a great populariser of science but was he an expert on teaching and education?

That is not to say I disagree with his opinion but to bring him up in this context would appear to be a false appeal to authority?


I never make "a false appeal to authority". What a cruel accusation.
 
Then what was your purpose in introducing Einstein into your post and then using his words as part of your argument?

Einstein was a man of vast ability and learning coupled with a critical thinking ability that exceeds most mortals. So, take it, your accusation, back!
 
Einstein was a man of vast ability and learning coupled with a critical thinking ability that exceeds most mortals. So, take it, your accusation, back!

Was he an expert on how to educate people? If not then it appears that your usage of a quote by him is indeed a false appeal to authority.
 

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