Hugo's Citgo a No-Go

Plus I prefer my oil to be free of middle east ties, I much rather support venezuelan oil...
Me too. So what if he's a jerk? The French sometimes irritate me, but I still drink a bit of French wine now and again, or some cheese.

IXP's point is superb, by the way. If you stop buying from all the guys who piss you off, you be outta gas pretty soon.

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Buy Canadian gas. They don't piss us off as much as Hugo does.

*snort*

DR
 
My boat has a little diesel engine and the diesel at the Shell station on the river is tinted pink. What if each nation's oil was tinted a specific color. That way I can oil from Indonesia, but not Nigeria or Venezuela, and hot left-wing wacky chicks like Sally can buy strictly Venezuelan product.

Sorry does wanting to become independent of middle eastern oil make me a left wing wacko?

Well than I guess I am..in fact push me farther to the left I want any dependence to foreign oil stopped. Wow how wacky of me...
 
It'll be a Cold Day in Hell Before I Buy Citgo Gas

At least until Chavez is no longer their Head of State.

Here in Alaska virtually all of our crude oil is simply funneled out of the Alaska Pipeline on it's way to Valdez, then the West Coast. There is a refinery just south of Fairbanks where most fuels are refined. There is also another such system on the Kenai Peninsula, but it's much smaller and primarily serves those peninsula communities.

So Chevron, Shell, Holiday, etc fuels are all refined at the same place, from the same crude. When we had Citgo stations here, it was the same with them.

However, even under such a system (where the crude doesn't come from Venezuela), if we stop buying the Citgo gas, Citgo loses sales. Period.

And that sounds good to me. Let him swim in the stuff, or let him sell it to somebody else and get paid in their currency.
 
However, even under such a system (where the crude doesn't come from Venezuela), if we stop buying the Citgo gas, Citgo loses sales. Period.

And that sounds good to me. Let him swim in the stuff, or let him sell it to somebody else and get paid in their currency.

I am wondering if he doesn't expect this and how it impacts or meshes with his stated plans of providing free heating oil to over 400,000 poor Americans this winter as a PR gesture. If Americans don't buy the stuff expect him to give it away.

I don't believe that our money means a great deal to him if he is a dyed in the wool communist. Plus he can get what he needs from elsewhere such as China.
 
Sorry does wanting to become independent of middle eastern oil make me a left wing wacko?

Well, that depends: do you know what the word "fungible" means?

Ignorance of that wouldn't make you lefty, though, only wacko.
 
I don't believe that our money means a great deal to him if he is a dyed in the wool communist. Plus he can get what he needs from elsewhere such as China.

There are no dyed in the wool communists who actually run anything - never have been, never will be. You can be pretty damned sure that Chavez cares about money - now, maybe he thinks he's getting something else that's WORTH that lost money, but he still cares about money. And you can be absolutely certain that China cares about money, AND that it costs more to ship oil from Venezuela to China than it does to ship to the US (supertankers can't make it through the panama canal, PLUS it's a good deal further away).
 
Sorry does wanting to become independent of middle eastern oil make me a left wing wacko?

Well than I guess I am..in fact push me farther to the left I want any dependence to foreign oil stopped. Wow how wacky of me...

OK. Cool. So I hope this means you are for off-shore drilling off Florida and California, and certainly Alaska. That would cut those Arabs out of the loop.
 
OK. Cool. So I hope this means you are for off-shore drilling off Florida and California, and certainly Alaska. That would cut those Arabs out of the loop.

Somebody is drilling off the coast of Florida and it ain't the U.S.:


CHINA STARTS OIL DRILLING OFF FLORIDA
WHILE AMERICA TWIDDLES THUMBS, CHINESE TAP BILLIONS OF BARRELS

By Mike Blair

While Washington dithers over exploiting oil and gas reserves off the coast of Florida, China has seized the opportunity to gobble up these deposits, which run throughout Latin America, the Caribbean and along the U.S. Gulf coast.

The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West, Florida. At the same time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who controls the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, is making deals to sell his country's oil to China, oil that is currently coming to the United States.

Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United States.

SLANT DRILLING

There are new reports out circulating that Chinese firms are planning to slant drill off the Cuban coast near the Florida Straits, tapping into U.S. oil reserves that are estimated at 4.6 billion to 9.3 billion barrels. This compares with 4 billion to 10 billion barrels believed to be beneath the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, where drilling is held up in Congress due to the objections of environmental groups which warn of endangering caribou. Permission to drill in the refuge, which experts are certain will not present any environmental hazard, has failed by just two votes in the Senate.

As Chinese business increases its reach around the world, it is seeking oil, which it lacks domestically.

After elections in Mexico in early July, when a new regime hostile to Washington is expected to take power, the United States might be without supplies of Mexican crude oil. The United States gets about 40 percent of its imported oil from Mexico and Venezuela.

China is eager to tap into oil reserves in the Florida Straits and then make a deal with Castro to control it. The Chinese have already reopened an abandoned Russian oil refinery in Cuba. Much of the gas refined there is believed to be destined for Freeport in the Bahamas, where the Chinese, through front company Hutchison-Whampoa, has developed a massive port facility and airfield.

With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of Castro.

Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) has introduced legislation to ease U.S. restrictions that prevent dealing with Cuba to drill in the Florida Straits. It is hoped that Florida regulations that prevent U.S. oil drilling off the state's coasts could also be eased.

The irony is that Chinese drilling could be even more of an environmental hazard since China is not as concerned about or equipped to deal with any potential ecological disaster as a result of a spill, said Craig.
(Issue #22, May 29, 2006)

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http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html
 
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Chavez may have stepped a bit over the line with his UN speech but his promise to provide heating oil to low income americans is better than anything coming out of Exxon, Moblie and the likes..

Sad, isn't it? While foreigners are offering low cost heating oil to americans (we can question his intentions), our own countrymen are ripping us off so a fat bastard can get a $400 million retirement.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989
 
IXP's point is superb, by the way. If you stop buying from all the guys who piss you off, you be outta gas pretty soon.

Not only that, it has the effect of uniting those guys against us.
 
Sad, isn't it? While foreigners are offering low cost heating oil to americans (we can question his intentions), our own countrymen are ripping us off so a fat bastard can get a $400 million retirement.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989

Have you seen the infant mortality statistics for Venezuela? We should not be accepting "low cost heating oil" from them -and Chavez as head of an oil rich nation should be held accountable for the health statistics of his country.
 
Have you seen the infant mortality statistics for Venezuela? We should not be accepting "low cost heating oil" from them -and Chavez as head of an oil rich nation should be held accountable for the health statistics of his country.

No, I haven't but I have now:

Using Infant Mortality to Determine Oil Suppliers

The 2002 (last) infant mortality rate for Venezuela was 19 per 1000 live births. Nearby Argentina was not far behind with 16. But by this standard then we should not be buying oil from Saudi Arabia whose 2002 infant mortality rate was a whopping 23 per 1000 live births. Who is held accountable in Saudi Arabia for their health stats?

http://globalis.gvu.unu.edu/indicator_detail.cfm?country=SA&indicatorid=25
 
Sad, isn't it? While foreigners are offering low cost heating oil to americans (we can question his intentions), our own countrymen are ripping us off so a fat bastard can get a $400 million retirement.

HEY! It's the American way! Do you really want to support someone that is selling cheaper oil, or giving it almost at cost to the poverty-stricken people of NY, or do you want to support an AMERICAN businessman?

With the first, you're supporting a potentially terrorist regime run by a person who didn't hesitate to make fun of our President and has no respect for our government, while the second option allows you to be reamed by a good ole' boy. Clearly the best choice is #2. ;)
 
How reputable is that source? If true, that's a pretty startling development.

I am afraid it's the sad truth my friend. Just Google yourself Cuba and oil drilling or Cuba-China and oil drilling, etc. And you'll get quite a few articles like the following:


http://washingtontimes.com/business/20060724-122242-7824r.htm

Cuba drills for oil off Florida
By Patrice Hill
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
July 24, 2006

Cuba is drilling for oil 60 miles off the coast of Florida with help from China, Canada and Spain even as Congress struggles to end years of deadlock over drilling for what could be a treasure trove of offshore oil and gas.

In spite of the half-hearted noise being made about this, big American oil companies probably prefer the Chinese and Cubans to get this oil and make it dissapear inside China and Cuba. If we got it it would drive prices down.
Exxon has got a surplus of $25 billion right now but their greed, proverbially, apparently knows no bounds. They're betting the environmentalists, normally their natural enemy, would come through for them.
 

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