9/11: FDNY Member Says "Definitely" Bombs in Towers?

azazal said:
Oh sure, here I go and give you a perfectly good reason to blow stuff up and you counter it with logic and the law.

Actually if any one you served with had pic available, or the next time you're out on the practice range, take a camera.
Click to expand...

Well, that's the problem, we don't deal in shaped charges. I can find photos of booms small and large, and the aftermath. But a good photo of explosive-cut steel is a bit different.

Truth be told, I think finding photos of known torn and sheared steel would be better evidence.
 
gumboot said:
I believe you won't get anyone to say there is no hard evidence against OBL. He hasn't got a mention of 9/11 on his wanted poster because he hasn't been indicted for the crime. He hasn't been indicted because the US Government do not have a chain of custody for the evidence against him (video tapes etc.) thus they cannot be admitted as evidence.
Click to expand...

And that isn't how the evil gubmint the CTers posit would act. So far so good.
 
Sentinel said:
Why didn't the Pentagon get evact when everyone there seemed to know they were next? Pentagon Protection Service Know about the august 6th PDB?

This question is in refference to a military news write up shortly after.

Have nice day

Sentinel
Click to expand...
9:03 am: 2nd plane hits the WTC

9:43 am: Plane hits the Pentagon

40 minutes.

40 minutes to go from "Holy ****! The WTC has been attacked!" to "There are still planes presenting a threat out there." to "One of those planes is heading toward this area" to "One of those planes is targeting the Pentagon" to "Let's move 25,000 people out of the building."

Get real.

And, please, please, enlighten us about the "military news write up shortly after."
 
Get Real?

A. WTC evacuated aprox 40.000 people. If the pentagon has lead time with so much radar and High Altatude Recon Patrol and land based radar with the Sat/comm systems which can monitor the whole planet, tell me how they didn't see it from the initial lose Voice/comm at 0813hrs?

B. The military drill started sept 10 as per DOD News.

C. The VeeP stated meet the press 16 sept 2001 that phone bridges were established after the first impact. Secret Service was well aware of the event from the start. Yet, they didn't put the president into protective custody until after his pre-schedualed 0930 speech.



Sentinel
 
Sentinel;

With regards to the SS and the President point...

I think the reason they didn't pull him out, was that (1) They had secured that area prior to entering it (The school and area), so it was as safe, if not safer, than moving him, in a situation that was "evolving", and (2) there may have been a desire to not "Start" a panic at that time, until more info was learned.

Just some thoughts.

PEACE

TAM
 
Tossing the Baby With The Bath Water

gumboot said:
I really don't think you appreciate how extensive the damage and fires were. And have you forgotten the enormous frikken fuel tank in the building?

-Andrew
Click to expand...


It is ludicrous to think that fire could get to enough bearing columns to cause a unform collapse at the speed 7 came down with the uniformity present. Especially when the fuel is localized or travelling downward.

The words "extensive" and "enormous" are cognitive distortions, overgeneralizations intended to maximize conditions that were minimal.

Oh, I forgot, I'm at randi.org where reason leaves with the bathwater.
 
It is my opinion, and I have a fair degree of expertese in the matter, that the people, for the most part, who post at this forum are MUCH more logical, and reasonable, in terms of thought processes, train of thought, etc.., then any of the other forums that discuss 9/11, in particular, the "Truth" sites.

Christophera said:
It is ludicrous to think that fire could get to enough bearing columns to cause a unform collapse at the speed 7 came down with the uniformity present. Especially when the fuel is localized or travelling downward.

The words "extensive" and "enormous" are cognitive distortions, overgeneralizations intended to maximize conditions that were minimal.

You are on a skeptics forum. Skeptics require proof to believe something. Where is your proof that (a) the fires in WTC7 could not "get" to enough bearing columns to cause uniform collapse of the building at the speed it came down?

The words "extensive: and "enormous" are adjectives, and descriptives, very similar to "ludicrous" or "localized" that you used. There is nothing wrong with using them, provided there is evidence to back up their appropriateness.

Prove that these words were used to "maximize" what was "minimal".
 
The words "extensive" and "enormous" are cognitive distortions, overgeneralizations intended to maximize conditions that were minimal.
Click to expand...

Christophera said:
It is ludicrous to think that fire could get to enough bearing columns to cause a unform collapse at the speed 7 came down with the uniformity present. Especially when the fuel is localized or travelling downward.
Click to expand...

(bolding mine)

Irony, thy name is Christophera.
 
Sentinel said:
A. WTC evacuated aprox 40.000 people. If the pentagon has lead time with so much radar and High Altatude Recon Patrol and land based radar with the Sat/comm systems which can monitor the whole planet, tell me how they didn't see it from the initial lose Voice/comm at 0813hrs?

B. The military drill started sept 10 as per DOD News.

C. The VeeP stated meet the press 16 sept 2001 that phone bridges were established after the first impact. Secret Service was well aware of the event from the start. Yet, they didn't put the president into protective custody until after his pre-schedualed 0930 speech.
Sentinel
Click to expand...

A. The 40000 in the WTC needed no prompting to evacuate and started immediately and had help outside. The Pentagon did not know it was a target.

B. The military drill was Operation Northern Vigilance and was intentionally timed to coincide with a Russian exercise which simulated air attacks against North America. Are you suggesting the Russians were in on it, too?

C. The VP was echoing the FAA which did say the phone bridges were in place "within minutes" after the first impact, but the only time a specific time is specific it's 9:20, which then leaves 23 minutes for analysis, decision-making, and evacuation.
 
Christophera said:
It is ludicrous to think that fire could get to enough bearing columns to cause a unform collapse at the speed 7 came down with the uniformity present. Especially when the fuel is localized or travelling downward.

The words "extensive" and "enormous" are cognitive distortions, overgeneralizations intended to maximize conditions that were minimal.

Oh, I forgot, I'm at randi.org where reason leaves with the bathwater.
Click to expand...

stfu
 
I just want to mention that Christophera did the exact same thing for years at DU that he is doing here now - that is, posting the same vague photographs over and over and over and over and over again in every thread he was on while insisting upon the existence of a concrete core, something that not another single person in the world has ever seen or believes; yapping about a "documentary" that not another person in the world has ever heard of or seen; using the same rude and insulting language to accuse everyone else of being deceptive, dishonest, lacking integrity, etc., as a smokescreen to avoid ever offering proof of anything he posts, etc. - until he finally got banned as he grew ever more shrill and abusive.

Just so you know.
 
LashL said:
I just want to mention that Christophera did the exact same thing for years at DU that he is doing here now - that is, posting the same vague photographs over and over and over and over and over...
Click to expand...
Years??

yikes. I've never felt it worth my time to do more than snipe at him, being clearly so determined that if you handed him a steel girder he'd say "concrete," as well as so far out that not even the likes of geggy or Killtown pay attention to him...

...but for those of you who have, my hat is off to you. You've done a bang-up job keeping him slaved to his computer, rather than loose among the general public. Bravo.
 
R.Mackey said:
Years??

yikes. I've never felt it worth my time to do more than snipe at him, being clearly so determined that if you handed him a steel girder he'd say "concrete," as well as so far out that not even the likes of geggy or Killtown pay attention to him...

...but for those of you who have, my hat is off to you. You've done a bang-up job keeping him slaved to his computer, rather than loose among the general public. Bravo.
Click to expand...
Crazy thing is, he was doing it before 9/11. What a stroke of luck for him that an event happened which allows him to complete his life's work.

Hey, Chris: reality is suing for visitation rights.
 
Gravy said:
Crazy thing is, he was doing it before 9/11.
Click to expand...
Now wait a minute. That goes beyond crazy, and into Rod Serling's playbook.

What possible concern could he have had about concrete vs. steel core prior to Sept. 11th? Did he feel that the concrete producers were being maligned in the press?

Any idea what he thinks about the Forth Rail Bridge or the Eiffel Tower?
Egad, I really don't want to know...
 
Sentinel said:
A. WTC evacuated aprox 40.000 people.
Click to expand...
It was 13-15,000, and, as at the Pentagon, the evacuation didn't begin until after the attack. Why? Because no one knew where the plane was headed.

If the pentagon has lead time with so much radar and High Altatude Recon Patrol
Click to expand...
Not that I've heard of. I recommend reading gumboot's NORAD air defense response compilation. (click on "download a detailed NORAD...") It's excellent.

and land based radar with the Sat/comm systems which can monitor the whole planet, tell me how they didn't see it from the initial lose Voice/comm at 0813hrs?
Click to expand...
Because they couldn't monitor the whole planet. The FAA had to tell them approximately where flight 77 was, and by the time they did it was too late.

B. The military drill started sept 10 as per DOD News.
Click to expand...
Relevance?

C. The VeeP stated meet the press 16 sept 2001 that phone bridges were established after the first impact. Secret Service was well aware of the event from the start. Yet, they didn't put the president into protective custody until after his pre-schedualed 0930 speech.
Click to expand...
The first impact was believed to be an accident. There was no reason to assume that the President was in any danger. After the second attack, it was a smart thing to do to make a short televised speech while surrounded by America's future: its children. Had Bush simply been hustled away, it might have given the (accurate, but not reassuring) impression that things were in chaos.
 
R.Mackey said:
Now wait a minute. That goes beyond crazy, and into Rod Serling's playbook.
Click to expand...
I was joking. Sorry. But I wonder what he was up to before 9/11. Have you seen how many internet forums he's spammed with this nonsense?

Any idea what he thinks about the Forth Rail Bridge or the Eiffel Tower?
Egad, I really don't want to know...
Click to expand...
He denies that the word "Firth" exists.
 
T.A.M. said:
Prove that these words were used to "maximize" what was "minimal".
Click to expand...

Prove you have a brain that appreciates the freedom it abuses here by explaining why the supposed 47 steel core columns are never seen in the images of the demolition when the concrete core is.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom