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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Of all the exchanges I've read at the JREF forums, this may be my favorite:

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin
ask you for the second time: If you "don't know," why did you present it here?
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Originally Posted by Christophera
Where else would I present it?
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Perhaps when we're all dead and buried, Christophera will kneel over our graves and whisper to us the explanation of the mysterious "elevator guide rails" that are three feet thick.
 
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Belz... said:
I'm not going to rummage through that drivel to find anything. Post it here. You usually have no problem with posting links and images.

Who the hell talked about logic ? We're talking facts, here.

That must be very convenient to you, assuming your own conclusion beforehand. None of the people here have that delusion, however.
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Love how this site quotes. Really makes it hard for folks to follow what is being said. Could this be intentional?

This site is a real inadequate site for posting images. I was actually suspended for it, I think. Or was it for reporting unevidenced, repeated, illogical denials of facts by posters with NO evidence as spam, both probably. You will find I do not post many images here.

Facts are often logical and what I've posted is a logical fact seen in the images themselves.

None of the people here have competent evidence for their illogical assertions, which figures 'cause they cannot recognize concrete.
 
Christophera said:
Love how this site quotes. Really makes it hard for folks to follow what is being said. Could this be intentional?
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ah yes, the software is designed to make it hard on you. Despite the fact you've repeatedly successfully posted images.

This site is a real inadequate site for posting images.
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Interesting as the JREF will actually pay for the bandwidth of hosting images. That's pretty nice deal.

Anyway all you're capable of posting is images of dust you claim is concrete.

  1. Please provide proof the dust in your images is from your supposed core and not from the floors.
  2. Please provide proof the dust in the images is pure concrete and not concrete from the floors plus drywall.
  3. Why is the only proof for your core pictures of dust. Why no construction photos?
  4. Why is 3" rebar on 4' centers structurally unsound?
 
Christophera said:
Love how this site quotes. Really makes it hard for folks to follow what is being said. Could this be intentional?
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Funny, nobody else seems to have trouble utilizing the Quote functionality.

Christophera said:
This site is a real inadequate site for posting images. I was actually suspended for it, I think. Or was it for reporting unevidenced, repeated, illogical denials of facts by posters with NO evidence as spam, both probably. You will find I do not post many images here.
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You were suspended for
Christophera has been suspended for 3 days (despite being warned) for repeatedly mis-using the "Report" feature.
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source

Iirc, you were warned for violating
4. You will not post "copyright-protected1" material in its entirety, including "hotlinking2" to images or other media.
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2"Hotlinking" is using the code to display material from another website in a post. An example would be using the [img] tag to display an image you found on someone else's web page so it will appear in your posts here. Some sites may allow hotlinking, especially image hosting sites, however it is up to the Member to ensure that is the case prior to using a "hotlink" to the content. It is not "hotlinking" to provide a link to content on another site.[/quote] [URL="http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=681416#post681416"]source[/URL]

[QUOTE="Christophera, post: 1885818, member: 9739"]
Facts are often logical and what I've posted is a logical fact seen in the images themselves.
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Facts are data. Logic is a thought process.

[QUOTE="Christophera, post: 1885818, member: 9739"]
None of the people here have competent evidence for their illogical assertions, which figures 'cause they cannot recognize [url=http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corefacesexploding.jpg]concrete[/url].[/QUOTE]

You said they used [B]custom[/B] rebar on the WTC towers. Provide evidence for this or [B]retract [/B]your claim that it was custom rebar.
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kevin said:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/578944f4f155d23fe.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/578944f4f155a130f.jpg[/qimg]
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Nice pics, I've never seen them before.
 
Christophera said:
Love how this site quotes. Really makes it hard for folks to follow what is being said. Could this be intentional?
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Yes. A direct order from James Randi: "make it HUGELY difficult to use the QUOTE function. Otherwise look for another program."

This site is a real inadequate site for posting images. I was actually suspended for it, I think.
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Actually that has little to do with the site itself.

Facts are often logical and what I've posted is a logical fact seen in the images themselves.
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Facts are ALWAYS logical, and you've posted your interpretation of lousy resolution images.

If you stopped spamming the same image over and over and started explaining how you came to your conclusions about said image maybe we'd get somewhere.

None of the people here have competent evidence for their illogical assertions, which figures 'cause they cannot recognize concrete.
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Not at the range you claim to be able to, I can't.
 
Also, for the NINTH time, chris:

Would you care to post your own diagram of the hallway configuration for all to see ? This would surely help me understand, as well as others, how this whole thing works.
 
Who knew the prairies were constructed with a concrete core? Just look at the size of that core!

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Installation of elevator guide rails in WTC
Where'd the concrete core go?

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Not Guide Rails.
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I haven't had any fun poking holes in Christophera's evidence for awhile but I could only hold out for so long. :D


According to his infamous site http://concretecore.741.com/ , this picture shows "a long row of 3" rebar on 4 foot centers"

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Believe it or not he is wrong again. :D

I found a nice little set of pictures taken from New Jersey of the events of that day.

http://amanzafar.no-ip.com/WTC/

The following pictures were taken from my apartment in Jersey City. I did not see the two planes hit, but started to take pictures about 3-4 mins after the second one hit. I can assure everyone, that the actual sight was way more horrible than in these pictures. The sheer size of the destruction is pretty difficult to capture. I wish I never get a chance to witness anything like this again.
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The three most interesting to the " 3" rebar on 4 foot centers" claim are

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(I had to crop them slightly to fit here)


So what Christophera calls " 3" rebar on 4 foot centers are actually whole floors and large columns.

So my question to Christophera, are you sure about those 3" rebar on 4 foot centers.
 
O M G !

Gravy said:
Installation of elevator guide rails in WTC
Where'd the concrete core go?
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The yellow part of the image IS the concrete.​



Off the left arrow from the word GUIDE, one arrows length, points to the pad arm brackets that hold the guide rails to the inside of the cast concrete core wall. Opposing it on the left the anchor bolts are shown as "thru bolts" with cross hatching showing concrete.

Thank you very much for that quality evidence.



Let us keep scale closely referenced as well. Those in your zoomed photo are much smaller that the interior box columns ringing the out side of the core wall, because they are elevator guide rail supports. You have photoshop work to do. Until then, everyone please correct the error when posting the image as I've done in red below. The competency of randi.org is at stake here.

CAUTION:Mislabeled image! ------ Arrow indicates Elevator Guide rail support structure.
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Christophera said:
The yellow part of the image IS the concrete.​



Off the left arrow from the word GUIDE, one arrows length, points to the pad arm brackets that hold the guide rails to the inside of the cast concrete core wall. Opposing it on the left the anchor bolts are shown as "thru bolts" with cross hatching showing concrete.

Thank you very much for that quality evidence.



Let us keep scale closely referenced as well. Those in your zoomed photo are much smaller that the interior box columns ringing the out side of the core wall, because they are elevator guide rail supports. You have photoshop work to do. Until then, everyone please correct the error when posting the image as I've done in red below. The competency of randi.org is at stake here.

CAUTION:Mislabeled image! ------ Arrow indicates Elevator Guide rail support structure.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/578944f4f155d23fe.jpg[/qimg]
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You said they used custom rebar on the WTC towers. Provide evidence for this or retract your claim that it was custom rebar.

Also, answer Belz, Gravy, et al's questions.
 
And have you figured out why 3" rebars on 4' centers is strucutrally unsound yet?
 
Christophera said:
I knew I could get the mad hamster to wave his arms wildly.
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You should really start answering some of these questions (instead of trying to change the subject(badly)), they're really starting to pile up.

BTW you still haven't explained why you lied on the other site.

Also, do you know what a "waving a bloody shirt arguement is?"
 
I like this, I post a stumper for Christphera and it gets ignored. I expected at least a hand wave or two.
 
Christophera said:
Love how this site quotes. Really makes it hard for folks to follow what is being said. Could this be intentional?
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No. Your refusal to carry on step-by-step conversation, as well as answer questions posed to you time and time again, make it "hard for folks to follow."

This site is a real inadequate site for posting images.
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Boo hoo.

Why not instead concentrate on written evidence to support your claims. That you cannot (save for fiction like the e-mail from Leslie E. Robertson) should tell you something.

I was actually suspended for it, I think.
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So you weren't "banned" (as you earlier claimed at the physorg forum) afterall? Thank you for finally admitting as much.

Or was it for reporting unevidenced, repeated, illogical denials of facts by posters with NO evidence as spam, both probably.
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You, who do almost nothing but repeat your unsupported claims over and over again, have a lot of nerve.

You will find I do not post many images here.
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You, who do almost nothing but link to the same handful of images over an over again, have a lot of nerve.

Facts are often logical and what I've posted is a logical fact seen in the images themselves.
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Er, okay...

None of the people here have competent evidence for their illogical assertions, which figures 'cause they cannot recognize concrete.
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Tell me the one about how explosives were built into the towers when they were first erected again. I so enjoy the "logic" of that assertion.

Also:

- What are your plans for presenting your evidence to one or more scientific journals?
- Will you apologize for your unprovoked attack on me?
- Will you retract the post you claim to be from Leslie E. Robertson?
 
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