Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[defaultdotxbe]

and are you sure it was in new york and kuala lumpur?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

As if there was nothing custom and special about the WTC towers.

Evidence that custom rebar was used?

 

[Belz...]

Please answer my previous posts, christophera...

Also, for the SIXTH time:

Would you care to post your own diagram of the hallway configuration for all to see ? This would surely help me understand, as well as others, how this whole thing works.

 

[Christophera]

Got Evidence?

Evidence that custom rebar was used?

You've seen plenty of evidence to know that there was rebar, but have produced none from the raw images of the demolition to support the steel core columns.

At least poor Gravy is trying. He probably had to search a thousand photos to find one he might misinterpret successfully,

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You've seen plenty of evidence to know that there was rebar, but have produced none from the raw images of the demolition to support the steel core columns.

At least poor Gravy is trying. He probably had to search a thousand photos to find one he might misinterpret successfully,

That's not for what I asked. You said they used custom rebar on the WTC towers. Provide evidence for this or retract your claim that it was custom rebar.

 

[Spektator]

I have a general dislike of anecdotal evidence, but we were having dinner with a couple last night, we were talking about the anniversary of Katrina, and she mentioned that the fifth anniversary of 9/11 was coming up soon too, and that her father had been a construction foreman working on the towers when they were built. I asked her "Did he ever say anything about the core?" She took out her cell phone and called him. He was a very soft spoken older gentleman. I asked, "Did you work on the towers enough to know about the core?" Yes, he had worked on the South Tower from beginning to end, he said. I asked if there was a solid concrete core. No, he said, just steel and drywall. Was he sure? Yes, he said. He'd put a lot of his life into that tower, and he cried like a baby when it came down. No concrete core, he said again. Just steel and drywall.

And no, I will not post his name. It's an anecdote, but I talked to him and I believe him.

 

[Gravy]

First, answer all of the questions that you've avoided above. Stop running away and face them like a man. Provide your diagrams. Just do it, Chris. Running away like a little boy doesn't help your cause.

Your first image does not represent known scale in the same image that you refer to.

It is a stairwell in the north tower. Would you rather I provided a photo of an unrelated stairwell? Or are you claiming that there were special stairways for little people there?

Your second image shows a vertical member holding up the right side of a stairwell but only one where many should be shown.

How do you know that's a stairwell? If you're judging by floorplans, then do you accept the floorplans as published? The image shows a huge core column with connected floors where your diagram and your statements say there cannot be one. Please explain the discrepancy. Is reality wrong, or are you?

In that same image there is a space between the stairwell and the interior box column which looks like concrete.

Point it out. And is "looks like concrete" proof that is is concrete?

The selectivity here is immense because I have shown a number of photos where the supposed steel core columns should show but they do not.

No, you haven't. On the other hand, we've shown numerous photos, including today, which show the core columns exactly where the published plans say they are. World 1, Chistophera, 0.

And, ............ I've not only made sense but I've backed it with evidence so your implying that I have not is an error. For example. This image evidences what can only be rebar, and it should show the supposed steel core columns but does not.

Explain why that can only be rebar and not something else. Remember, it's not 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 inches thick. It's thicker than that. And what would be the purpose of rebar of any thickness on 4-foot centers? You have never explained how this would be anything more than an idiotic gesture.

So your efforts are weak and there is no body of evidence to support it as there is with the concrete core.

Repeat after me: "There is no core but the core..."

 

[Belz...]

You've seen plenty of evidence to know that there was rebar

The word you're looking for, chris, is speculation.

At least poor Gravy is trying. He probably had to search a thousand photos to find one he might misinterpret successfully,[/QUOTE]

Bolding mine.

Considering how his picture is far clearer than yours, that's quite dishonest from you.

 

[Belz...]

Also, for the SEVENTH time:

Would you care to post your own diagram of the hallway configuration for all to see ? This would surely help me understand, as well as others, how this whole thing works.

 

[kevin]

 

[Christophera]

Only Losers Support The Impossible

First, answer all of the questions that you've avoided above.[/CENTER]

No, .............. first post an image of steel core columns protruding from the core area at an elevation above ground. I've done plenty in answering your questions and I've posted many a picture of the concrete core that should show the steel croe columns if they existed.

You have no evidence from raw images of the demo which totally expose the core. We see what can only be concrete.

 

[Christophera]

Nice Elevator Guide Rails Kevin

Notice how much smaller they are than the box columns ringing the core area. The only such heavy columns in the towers. There were no core columns but the elevators advancing as far possible were guaranteed as a conditon to the contractors. So that is what your pictures show, the elevator guide rail or its supporting steel getting stuck up as far as possible.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

In reviewing this thread in order to find pertinent posts, I rediscovered this unresolved exchange:

By the way, Mr. Brown, do you stand by the authenticity of this:

Leslie E. Robertson
Posted: Apr 1 2006, 06:33 PM
Unregistered

Christophera is correct in stating that the Twin Towers were constructed with a concrete core. Although in my original design the core was to be a steel framed one that decision was overridden by Minoru Yamasaki the architect.

That core should have resisted the airplane impacts AND the fires. I have said nothing for four and a half years but can remain silent no longer. My belief is that only explosives could have caused WTC 1 & WTC 2 to collapse the way they did on September 11, 2001.

Leslie E. Robertson
Director Leslie E. Robertson Associates, R.L.L.P. and lead engineer of the World Trade Center

Get real. I don't know. But if it is from Robertson, he's done about what I would do in his situation given his position.

I ask you for the second time: If you "don't know," why did you present it here?

Where else would I present it?

I ask you for the third time, if you "don't know" why did you present it here?

So you would have somethng to do that would make you feel important while you couldn't substantiate your BS assertion that there was an error in my logic with the tower fall/impact scenario.

Now then, Mr. Brown, insofar as you cannot provide for its authenticity, will you retract the original post above which you claim to be from Leslie E. Robertson?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Also, once again:

- Will you retract your claim (made on another board) that you were banned from this forum?
- What are your plans for presenting your evidence to one or more scientific journals?
- Will you apologize for your unprovoked attack on me?

 

[kevin]

Notice how much smaller they are than the box columns ringing the core area. The only such heavy columns in the towers.

You don't even understand the plan you're claiming is wrong do you?

As you can see the biggest column is 22.5x18 and the smallest is 13x10. less than 10" difference in any direction. That photo is completely accurate and those aren't elevator guides.

 

[Belz...]

Notice how much smaller they are than the box columns ringing the core area. The only such heavy columns in the towers. There were no core columns but the elevators advancing as far possible were guaranteed as a conditon to the contractors. So that is what your pictures show, the elevator guide rail or its supporting steel getting stuck up as far as possible.

You might want to confirm that with an actual engineer, chris. Unless you have plans that can support your assertion. Otherwise I can do that, too, and call them rabbits, instead.

Also, for the Eighth time:

Would you care to post your own diagram of the hallway configuration for all to see ? This would surely help me understand, as well as others, how this whole thing works.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Christophera

That's not for what I asked. You said they used custom rebar on the WTC towers. Provide evidence for this or retract your claim that it was custom rebar.

 

[Christophera]

Get Real! Try Looking At My Site

You might want to confirm that with an actual engineer, chris. Unless you have plans that can support your assertion. Otherwise I can do that, too, and call them rabbits, instead.

Also, for the Eighth time:

Would you care to post your own diagram of the hallway configuration for all to see ? This would surely help me understand, as well as others, how this whole thing works.

Glad to see you can count.

Check my site for a diagram.

Why would engineers improve on the logic of having elevators travel as far up in a skyscraper being constructed?

My point is that you cannot evidence the steel core columns from images of the demolition, but I can redundantly show concrete while showing there were no steel core columns. For example, this image of Concrete shear wall to left of interior box column, the "spire" should show steel core columns left of the spire, but do not.

The steel core columns did not exist.

http://concretecore.741.com

 

[Regnad Kcin]

- Will you retract your claim (made on another board) that you were banned from this forum?
- What are your plans for presenting your evidence to one or more scientific journals?
- Will you apologize for your unprovoked attack on me?
- Will you retract the post you claim to be from Leslie E. Robertson?

 

[Belz...]

Glad to see you can count.

Check my site for a diagram.

I'm not going to rummage through that drivel to find anything. Post it here. You usually have no problem with posting links and images.

Why would engineers improve on the logic of having elevators travel as far up in a skyscraper being constructed?

Who the hell talked about logic ? We're talking facts, here.

My point is that you cannot evidence the steel core columns from images of the demolition, but I can redundantly show concrete while showing there were no steel core columns.

That must be very convenient to you, assuming your own conclusion beforehand. None of the people here have that delusion, however.